Atlanta Hawks win #1 Pick in 2024 Draft Lottery

[Whole Truth]

So you think that SA is going to trade #4, #8 and another FRP for BI and then pay him over $50M a year? Good luck with that. I think that they would rather get Murray at half the price

You're not understanding what I wrote properly. I've been discussing this trade on the Spurs board.

(BI, Spurs FRP, maybe one from NO's) for (Garland)

Spurs trade -(Keldon, Collins, 4, 8, FRP) for (Garland, Herb)

They suggested that value not me. They want 2 starters out of this draft, PG, SF. They like Garland & want cheap 3D guard/wing & they won't find better than Herb, they're in agreement.

If Hawks are willing to trade down from 1 for 4 & 8. #1 reroutes from Spurs to NO's

NO's trade (BI, Herb, FRP) for (Keldon, Collins, #1)

Looks to me that Garland and Herb are being well over valued in this deal. If the Hawks aren't reall high on the French guys, why not

Value is relative, something I might value, you might not. Spurs want cheap 3D wings to pair with Wemby & like Garland as a potential fit at point. They want 2 starters a PG & SF, They suggested the value for Garland, which was (Keldon, one of 4/8, FRP) they contribute pick value for Cavs to swap Garland for BI, NO's might have to add IDK & we worked in the 2nd first with Herb as a target for them. They value Herb's elite defense/spacing at a 12m price point.

If Hawks are willing to maximize the #1 pick & reduce risk, they're trading down for 4 & 8. IDK if Murray & Keldon would be involved in a swap so I left that part out.

[Jamaaliver]

Let's move on, gentlemen.

[tbhawksfan1]

You're not understanding what I wrote properly. I've been discussing this trade on the Spurs board.

(BI, Spurs FRP, maybe one from NO's) for (Garland)

Spurs trade -(Keldon, Collins, 4, 8, FRP) for (Garland, Herb)

They suggested that value not me. They want 2 starters out of this draft, PG, SF. They like Garland & want cheap 3D guard/wing & they won't find better than Herb, they're in agreement.

If Hawks are willing to trade down from 1 for 4 & 8. #1 reroutes from Spurs to NO's

NO's trade (BI, Herb, FRP) for (Keldon, Collins, #1)

Looks to me that Garland and Herb are being well over valued in this deal. If the Hawks aren't reall high on the French guys, why not

Value is relative, something I might value, you might not. Spurs want cheap 3D wings to pair with Wemby & like Garland as a potential fit at point. They want 2 starters a PG & SF, They suggested the value for Garland, which was (Keldon, one of 4/8, FRP) they contribute pick value for Cavs to swap Garland for BI, NO's might have to add IDK & we worked in the 2nd first with Herb as a target for them. They value Herb's elite defense/spacing at a 12m price point.

If Hawks are willing to maximize the #1 pick & reduce risk, they're trading down for 4 & 8. IDK if Murray & Keldon would be involved in a swap so I left that part out.

I don't care what SA, CLE and NO want to do with each other and already said that if the Hawks aren't overly enthouded with the #1 then #4 and #8 is debateable. I would hold out for one of our FRPs back though

[Whole Truth]

Looks to me that Garland and Herb are being well over valued in this deal. If the Hawks aren't reall high on the French guys, why not

Value is relative, something I might value, you might not. Spurs want cheap 3D wings to pair with Wemby & like Garland as a potential fit at point. They want 2 starters a PG & SF, They suggested the value for Garland, which was (Keldon, one of 4/8, FRP) they contribute pick value for Cavs to swap Garland for BI, NO's might have to add IDK & we worked in the 2nd first with Herb as a target for them. They value Herb's elite defense/spacing at a 12m price point.

If Hawks are willing to maximize the #1 pick & reduce risk, they're trading down for 4 & 8. IDK if Murray & Keldon would be involved in a swap so I left that part out.

I don't care what SA, CLE and NO want to do with each other and already said that if the Hawks aren't overly enthouded with the #1 then #4 and #8 is debateable. I would hold out for one of our FRPs back though

Spurs are sending that to Cavs for Garland. So NO's would have to add a FRP for Spurs to give back one of 25 or 27 draft rights.

[Whole Truth]

Sorry Jam, didn't see your post, I'm out.

[Jamaaliver]

I will say, for all the chatter floating around the draft and offseason, the odds on most likely event is Alex Sarr going #1 to Atlanta.

And that won't be a bad turn of events. But it's unlikely the dude ends up as the top player from this draft class.

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[raleigh]

I will be shocked if the Hawks trade down.

1) The people who run NBA teams are typically professionals at the top of their industry, so they aren't afraid of risk. If anything, they're overconfident in their "special" ability and processes.

2) The potential value of a draft pick drops off dramatically after the first few picks. Individual teams are not typically swayed by concerns about a "weak" draft because they only need to find one guy they like.

3) Atlanta is under unique circumstances here -- the negativity from the trade-down from Luka pick is still very much a part of public discourse.

4) The "insiders" at Hawksquawk seem convinced of a trade-down, and they're never accurate.

What I think needs far more discussion around here is a trade of the #1 pick for a starter in a position of need.

[raleigh]

And that chart doesn't change the fact that the top draftees are largely similar in projected impact long term.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fact

[tbhawksfan1]

I will say, for all the chatter floating around the draft and offseason, the odds on most likely event is Alex Sarr going #1 to Atlanta.

And that won't be a bad turn of events. But it's unlikely the dude ends up as the top player from this draft class.

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There's reasons he's going #1

I'll be happy to have him. No one 7'1" moves like him. Dribbling, passing.. he has unique skills for his size

[Jamaaliver]

There's reasons he's going #1

I'll be happy to have him. No one 7'1" moves like him. Dribbling, passing.. he has unique skills for his size

Yes. His floor is pretty high because of the defense.

His shot blocking is 9/10.
His perimeter defense is an 8/10.


After that, it's a precipitous fall before his next top line skill...which is

[jayu70]

Drafting another injured guy we don't get to see in SL

The recent recurring injuries are a concern. Him missing 2024 Summer League would be a real bummer...but Jayu. The dude is an elite passer. We're talking Trae level passing from a 6'7" EURO PG.

He can't shoot off the dribble yet. But he shoots 88% from the FT line and is decent as a catch and shoot guy. His off ball movement is solid (already better than Trae) and he has the makings of an above average defender.

He has a chance to end up the best player from this draft class. If we could trade back and get this guy...that'd be a coup.

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[Jamaaliver]

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That suuuuucks.

Not a death knell for an NBA career. And we've seen top prospects like Blake Griffin, Ben Simmons and Chet Holmgren all work through major injuries ahead of their rookie seasons.

Still tough to deal with.

I suspect Spurs at #8, Trail Blazers at #14 could take a long term gamble on him using either of their 2nd lotto picks of the night.

[Jamaaliver]

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[Geaux_Hawks]

Give any GM the choice between #1 and #2 and they all take #1.

This is inaccurate.

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What else was involved in the trade? I haven't looked it up but no way it was straight #1 for #3

Did the lady in the picture have something to do with it

Doesn't matter what else was involved in that deal. The fact of the matter is, Boston was going Tatum regardless because he was the guy Ainge wanted. Boston did not like Fultz(too many red flags). For the sake of argument, the Celtics got a conditional pick that eventually was #14 overall in 2019(Romeo Langford).

So a trade down to 3 made sense because Philly really wanted Fultz, and never invited Tatum for a workout. Ball was insta locked to be a Laker. So Boston didn't need #1 to get their guy.

I think the argument that the OP is inaccurate, is comical because the tweet quoted states the obvious that the #1 pick never gets traded, but Boston did(see above reasoning). The tweet shows that a team valued having the #1 pick and they only got it because the team holding the #1 pick knew they'd get the same player they would've chosen #1 anyway.

The #1 pick is unanimously considered the best chance at the best player in the draft. You literally have your pick of the litter. If the best player ends up being a later pick, then that's a different conversation.

[Jamaaliver]

Did the lady in the picture have something to do with it

Better question, why is his hand around the back of her neck?!?

[tbhawksfan1]

I'm not saying never trade the #1. I'm saying don't trade it if you think that you are going to get the best player

I absolutely thought that GSW should have traded those high picks they had to play win now. That they did not didn't work out well

If someone offers a very good player for the #1 I'm listening. Short of that I want Sarr

[Jamaaliver]

If there was some way to draft both of these kids and keep Jalen and Trae...

[dms269]

If there was some way to draft both of these kids and keep Jalen and Trae...

Castle isn't coming across the right way.

[Jamaaliver]

If there was some way to draft both of these kids and keep Jalen and Trae...

Castle isn't coming across the right way.

That is a fair observation.

[Jamaaliver]

Coming around to adding Clingan to the mix. He provides the rebounding of Edey, the rim protection of Sarr with better passing than either.

I don't like him at #1, but trading down to 3 or 4 and snagging him plus extras is a worthy approach.

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