All things Anfernee Simons

[Nyce_1]

Sky over here tipping like he just got home from a navy tour, lol.

LOL. C'mon man...read it again.

Brogdon is a really good 2-way player that is lacking in no dept. Consider him a (not that poor) poor man's Jrue Holiday...and younger . The injury history is what makes this even plausible before anyone hangs their hat on that. Simons is as good a shooter as there is in the NBA and I think he's got a lot more in his bag, not to mention 5+ apg. Consider that this is two trades in one and Cole's out of a job either way, so saving his salary matters. Moving Black hurts, but let's be real about his value vs hopeful projection.

so, what's the big sacrifice...the srps?

Simons, Brogdon
Suggs, Jett, Queen
Franz, da Silva (#18), Houstan
Paolo, Isaac
Claxton (yes we have enough if we make some adjustments), WCJ, Mo

I value Brogdon at two SRPs, MAX. I value Simons at two FRPs. Cleaning up their books is a big asset that's undervalued. The inclusion of AB isn't necessary, IMO. Cole is neutral.

And you know this FO, that's tooooo much change and complexity for a team that needs a simple, straightforward roster upgrade in the backcourt.

[VFX]

Portland becomes crazy skilled and long with a back court of AB and Sharpe.... like at some level I feel like we are gifting them a ridiculous back court regardless of the return. Thats two 6'7 guards with perfect complimentary skill sets.

Im not even overvaluing AB really... I just think his potential is a lot higher than people even imagine on this board.

[orlando_joe]

I'd happily take both off of your hands and payroll if the price was right and the proper value was placed on the financial side of it. Cole could, somewhat, replace "enough" of what you hope for from your first guard off the bench - at a fraction of the salary(s). Black is big and versatile enough to move all over the lineup while POR figures out his ultimate identity (we don't what that is - but we're confident it's something good).

ORL sends: Cole Anthony ($13m), Anthony Black ($7.6m), DEN 25 frp(Top 5), ORL 26 frp (Top 5), 2 ORL srps
PRO sends: Brogdon ($26 m), Simons ($22.5m)

I'd be ok with Cole + AB + DEN pick for Simons and Brogdon. The extra 1st seems like too much. I don't care about the 2nds.

Pass for POR.

AB is nice, the DEN pick will be late and Anthony is close to worthless.

i can not wait to see what por gets..they are holding out for the fvv return..notta..he, they will expire...if they were ever offered 2 first plus valuable player on good contract simons would already be gone
not sure what team is giving them that for a bad defender one way short guard with low rb and ast numbers that makes 55 mill over next 2 yrs then is fa
cole anthony career ast and rb numbers are double simons and he at least gives effert on defense ..and makes half the money with a team option...only thing simons better is he shoots the 3 ...if folks think simons is all of the sudden going to change then cole can get better from 3...worthless ok

[JRoy]

I'd be ok with Cole + AB + DEN pick for Simons and Brogdon. The extra 1st seems like too much. I don't care about the 2nds.

Pass for POR.

AB is nice, the DEN pick will be late and Anthony is close to worthless.

i can not wait to see what por gets..they are holding out for the fvv return..notta..he, they will expire...if they were ever offered 2 first plus valuable player on good contract simons would already be gone
not sure what team is giving them that for a bad defender one way short guard with low rb and ast numbers that makes 55 mill over next 2 yrs then is fa
cole anthony career ast and rb numbers are double simons and he at least gives effert on defense ..and makes half the money with a team option...only thing simons better is he shoots the 3 ...if folks think simons is all of the sudden going to change then cole can get better from 3...worthless ok

Joke post.

The best thing about Anthony is his contract. ORL has to hope he has a bounce back year

Simons shoots the 3 better and on higher volume, it’s really the only thing he does well.

Keep Anthony, please.

[Skybox]

I'd be ok with Cole + AB + DEN pick for Simons and Brogdon. The extra 1st seems like too much. I don't care about the 2nds.

Pass for POR.

AB is nice, the DEN pick will be late and Anthony is close to worthless.

i can not wait to see what por gets..they are holding out for the fvv return..notta..he, they will expire...if they were ever offered 2 first plus valuable player on good contract simons would already be gone
not sure what team is giving them that for a bad defender one way short guard with low rb and ast numbers that makes 55 mill over next 2 yrs then is fa
cole anthony career ast and rb numbers are double simons and he at least gives effert on defense ..and makes half the money with a team option...only thing simons better is he shoots the 3 ...if folks think simons is all of the sudden going to change then cole can get better from 3...worthless ok

I'm not sure if you're trolling or just stubborn to amuse yourself. Brogdon and Simons would certainly both be, potentially, the best guards on the roster. I'll give Suggs the nod, value-wise, because of his age and defense...but it's not by a landslide as Suggs has just started to make 3's and he still only scores 12ppg.

Simons would have led ORL in scoring AND assists last season. He's got a 6'7 wingspan and he'd be playing next to Suggs. He'll make $25.9m next season and $27.7m the following.

I get the realistic concerns others (including myself) have, but cherry-picking comparisons to Cole is ludicrous. Simons spent most of his career shadowing two of the most prolific offensive guards in the NBA, while Cole was thrown right in to put up numbers - which are still dwarfed by Simons' recent outputs in a comparable situation. It could be said that Simons is a "MUCH BETTER COLE"...that's a really good player. If rebounding is what you're looking for in your 6'1 PG, I'll admit Cole's the guy- I'd say it wouldn't be a terrible thing if Paolo or Franz grabbed those freebies.

[orlando_joe]

Pass for POR.

AB is nice, the DEN pick will be late and Anthony is close to worthless.

i can not wait to see what por gets..they are holding out for the fvv return..notta..he, they will expire...if they were ever offered 2 first plus valuable player on good contract simons would already be gone
not sure what team is giving them that for a bad defender one way short guard with low rb and ast numbers that makes 55 mill over next 2 yrs then is fa
cole anthony career ast and rb numbers are double simons and he at least gives effert on defense ..and makes half the money with a team option...only thing simons better is he shoots the 3 ...if folks think simons is all of the sudden going to change then cole can get better from 3...worthless ok

Joke post.

The best thing about Anthony is his contract. ORL has to hope he has a bounce back year

Simons shoots the 3 better and on higher volume, it’s really the only thing he does well.

Keep Anthony, please.

keep simons

cole in 4 yrs over 6 yrs of simons career numbers

cole 1168 to simons 784 rb
cole 1032 to simons 928 ast
cole 103 simons 43 blks
cole 177 simons 140 stl
simons 4489 to cole 3385 pts

so in 2 more yrs simons has 1104 pts or 552 pts for 2 more yrs
yes magic keep cole,black and 2 firsts no problem

[orlando_joe]

Pass for POR.

AB is nice, the DEN pick will be late and Anthony is close to worthless.

i can not wait to see what por gets..they are holding out for the fvv return..notta..he, they will expire...if they were ever offered 2 first plus valuable player on good contract simons would already be gone
not sure what team is giving them that for a bad defender one way short guard with low rb and ast numbers that makes 55 mill over next 2 yrs then is fa
cole anthony career ast and rb numbers are double simons and he at least gives effert on defense ..and makes half the money with a team option...only thing simons better is he shoots the 3 ...if folks think simons is all of the sudden going to change then cole can get better from 3...worthless ok

I'm not sure if you're trolling or just stubborn to amuse yourself. Brogdon and Simons would certainly both be, potentially, the best guards on the roster. I'll give Suggs the nod, value-wise, because of his age and defense...but it's not by a landslide as Suggs has just started to make 3's and he still only scores 12ppg.

Simons would have led ORL in scoring AND assists last season. He's got a 6'7 wingspan and he'd be playing next to Suggs. He'll make $25.9m next season and $27.7m the following.

I get the realistic concerns others (including myself) have, but cherry-picking comparisons to Cole is ludicrous. Simons spent most of his career shadowing two of the most prolific offensive guards in the NBA, while Cole was thrown right in to put up numbers - which are still dwarfed by Simons' recent outputs in a comparable situation. It could be said that Simons is a "MUCH BETTER COLE"...that's a really good player. If rebounding is what you're looking for in your 6'1 PG, I'll admit Cole's the guy- I'd say it wouldn't be a terrible thing if Paolo or Franz grabbed those freebies.

its not a cole for simons swap of course simons is better but not black and 2 first better
simons is worth a non lottery first a couple 2nds and 26 mill tpe...i think fair

heck they could use the 26 mill tpe to take bad contract and a first if they are tanking

[JRoy]

i can not wait to see what por gets..they are holding out for the fvv return..notta..he, they will expire...if they were ever offered 2 first plus valuable player on good contract simons would already be gone
not sure what team is giving them that for a bad defender one way short guard with low rb and ast numbers that makes 55 mill over next 2 yrs then is fa
cole anthony career ast and rb numbers are double simons and he at least gives effert on defense ..and makes half the money with a team option...only thing simons better is he shoots the 3 ...if folks think simons is all of the sudden going to change then cole can get better from 3...worthless ok

Joke post.

The best thing about Anthony is his contract. ORL has to hope he has a bounce back year

Simons shoots the 3 better and on higher volume, it’s really the only thing he does well.

Keep Anthony, please.

keep simons

cole in 4 yrs over 6 yrs of simons career numbers

cole 1168 to simons 784 rb
cole 1032 to simons 928 ast
cole 103 simons 43 blks
cole 177 simons 140 stl
simons 4489 to cole 3385 pts

so in 2 more yrs simons has 1104 pts or 552 pts for 2 more yrs
yes magic keep cole,black and 2 firsts no problem

Cool.

How many starts?

[eyriq]

Portland becomes crazy skilled and long with a back court of AB and Sharpe.... like at some level I feel like we are gifting them a ridiculous back court regardless of the return. Thats two 6'7 guards with perfect complimentary skill sets.

Im not even overvaluing AB really... I just think his potential is a lot higher than people even imagine on this board.

Yeah, I think AB is drastically undervalued on this board.

[RichCollab]

I’m good trading this years 1st and Denver’s pick for Simons.

[Audi]

i can not wait to see what por gets..they are holding out for the fvv return..notta..he, they will expire...if they were ever offered 2 first plus valuable player on good contract simons would already be gone
not sure what team is giving them that for a bad defender one way short guard with low rb and ast numbers that makes 55 mill over next 2 yrs then is fa
cole anthony career ast and rb numbers are double simons and he at least gives effert on defense ..and makes half the money with a team option...only thing simons better is he shoots the 3 ...if folks think simons is all of the sudden going to change then cole can get better from 3...worthless ok

Joke post.

The best thing about Anthony is his contract. ORL has to hope he has a bounce back year

Simons shoots the 3 better and on higher volume, it’s really the only thing he does well.

Keep Anthony, please.

keep simons

cole in 4 yrs over 6 yrs of simons career numbers

cole 1168 to simons 784 rb
cole 1032 to simons 928 ast
cole 103 simons 43 blks
cole 177 simons 140 stl
simons 4489 to cole 3385 pts

so in 2 more yrs simons has 1104 pts or 552 pts for 2 more yrs
yes magic keep cole,black and 2 firsts no problem

Why are you comparing total career numbers with zero context? You realize Cole averaged 27mpg his rookie year, while Simons averaged 7mpg during his? How many assists do you think a kid playing 7mpg in the shadow of Lillard is going to put up in comparison to a guy playing on starters minutes?

[JRoy]

Portland becomes crazy skilled and long with a back court of AB and Sharpe.... like at some level I feel like we are gifting them a ridiculous back court regardless of the return. Thats two 6'7 guards with perfect complimentary skill sets.

Im not even overvaluing AB really... I just think his potential is a lot higher than people even imagine on this board.

Yeah, I think AB is drastically undervalued on this board.

Agreed.

I think he’s a great prospect.

[orlando_joe]

Joke post.

The best thing about Anthony is his contract. ORL has to hope he has a bounce back year

Simons shoots the 3 better and on higher volume, it’s really the only thing he does well.

Keep Anthony, please.

keep simons

cole in 4 yrs over 6 yrs of simons career numbers

cole 1168 to simons 784 rb
cole 1032 to simons 928 ast
cole 103 simons 43 blks
cole 177 simons 140 stl
simons 4489 to cole 3385 pts

so in 2 more yrs simons has 1104 pts or 552 pts for 2 more yrs
yes magic keep cole,black and 2 firsts no problem

Cool.

How many starts?

cole 103
simons 143

[CocoaFan]

Portland becomes crazy skilled and long with a back court of AB and Sharpe.... like at some level I feel like we are gifting them a ridiculous back court regardless of the return. Thats two 6'7 guards with perfect complimentary skill sets.

Im not even overvaluing AB really... I just think his potential is a lot higher than people even imagine on this board.

Yeah, I think AB is drastically undervalued on this board.

I knew you'd have to get in here at some point lol

[orlando_joe]

Joke post.

The best thing about Anthony is his contract. ORL has to hope he has a bounce back year

Simons shoots the 3 better and on higher volume, it’s really the only thing he does well.

Keep Anthony, please.

keep simons

cole in 4 yrs over 6 yrs of simons career numbers

cole 1168 to simons 784 rb
cole 1032 to simons 928 ast
cole 103 simons 43 blks
cole 177 simons 140 stl
simons 4489 to cole 3385 pts

so in 2 more yrs simons has 1104 pts or 552 pts for 2 more yrs
yes magic keep cole,black and 2 firsts no problem

Why are you comparing total career numbers with zero context? You realize Cole averaged 27mpg his rookie year, while Simons averaged 7mpg during his? How many assists do you think a kid playing 7mpg in the shadow of Lillard is going to put up in comparison to a guy playing on starters minutes?

ok say its 4 yrs ...take first 2 yrs off simons ...simons will have less the difference is even more?

[JRoy]

keep simons

cole in 4 yrs over 6 yrs of simons career numbers

cole 1168 to simons 784 rb
cole 1032 to simons 928 ast
cole 103 simons 43 blks
cole 177 simons 140 stl
simons 4489 to cole 3385 pts

so in 2 more yrs simons has 1104 pts or 552 pts for 2 more yrs
yes magic keep cole,black and 2 firsts no problem

Cool.

How many starts?

cole 103
simons 143

Coles starts have gone down over the last 3 years while Simons have gone up, or at least been trending that way.

Why is that, do you suppose?

[orlando_joe]

Cool.

How many starts?

cole 103
simons 143

Coles starts have gone down over the last 3 years while Simons have gone up, or at least been trending that way.

Why is that, do you suppose?

portland got worse and magic got better?
they are really both 6th men yes simons better he had 2 yrs to just shoot 3s in gym and dam and cj to learn from
cole had fultz a non shooter and thrown into fire

[RichCollab]

Cool.

How many starts?

cole 103
simons 143

Coles starts have gone down over the last 3 years while Simons have gone up, or at least been trending that way.

Why is that, do you suppose?

Portland is a crap team and tanking.

[JRoy]

cole 103
simons 143

Coles starts have gone down over the last 3 years while Simons have gone up, or at least been trending that way.

Why is that, do you suppose?

portland got worse and magic got better?
they are really both 6th men yes simons better he had 2 yrs to just shoot 3s in gym and dam and cj to learn from
cole had fultz a non shooter and thrown into fire

Cole couldn’t start over Fultz, who ought not to start anywhere in the nba.

[JRoy]

cole 103
simons 143

Coles starts have gone down over the last 3 years while Simons have gone up, or at least been trending that way.

Why is that, do you suppose?

Portland is a crap team and tanking.

True.

And yet Cole, supposedly improving started less often on a team starved for guard talent.