2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[RoteSchroder]

Draft predictions:
1. ATL - Clingan
2. Wizards - Sarr
3. Houston - Reed
4. Spurs - Castle
5. Detroit - Knecht
6. Charlotte - Holland
7. Portland - Risacher (or Salaun)
8. Spurs - Devin Carter
9. Memphis - Edey
10. Jazz - Salaun
11. Bulls - Buzelis
12. OKC - Cody
13. Kings - McCain (Monk replacement)
14. Portland - DaRon Holmes
15. Miami - Dillingham
16. 76ers - da Silva
17. Lakers - Ware
18. Orlando - KyShawn (or Furphy)
19. Raptors - Filipowski

Landry Fields is insane if he picks Clingan first overall. Madness. Where the H is Topic? If Topic makes it to 19 pretty sure we pounce. Ditto Walter. Jazz are really the only threat to take broken Topic so we might get Topic... who spends a year rehabing with Alex. Raps are not necessarily going to make a centre the priority if creators are on the board.

Defensive anchors (Gobert, Lively) have been a hot topic recently and Hawks need a big (PF/C) badly. There are a couple teams that want to move up for Clingan alone. Sarr hasn’t proven much and is still a work in progress. Clingan makes a lot more sense for them since Trae and Murray make them a win-now team.

Hawks considering Clingan rumours also just dropped yesterday (although they could have released these rumours to increase the trade value of the pick).

Topic is a long-neck giraffe with fake height, two busted knees, an ACL tear, a weak jumper and poor defense. That’s 3 too many red flags for teams to gamble on. Utah is likely interested a high upside player, which is why I went with Salaun.

Many consider Ja’Kobe as a chucker with iffy defense, but if a team likes him then he could go higher.

These are just random predictions though, based off of a combo of how I view the players and how I feel like other teams perceive their situation. No need to take them seriously. There are a few players I don’t like that are going pretty high.

[Psubs]

Landry Fields is insane if he picks Risacher first overall.

What's so crazy about that? He could be the next Jayson Tatum but more likely Brandon Ingram.

1. ATL - Sarr (trade Capela)
2. Wizards - Risacher
3. Houston - Reed
4. Spurs - Clingan
5. Detroit - Holland
6. Charlotte - Knecht
7. Portland - Buzelis
8. Spurs - Castle
9. Memphis - Edey (trade for Poeltl)
10. Jazz - Salaun
11. Bulls - Filipowski
12. OKC - Cody
13. Kings - McCain (Monk replacement)
14. Portland - Dillingham
15. Miami - DaRon Holmes
16. 76ers - da Silva
17. Lakers - Ware
18. Orlando - Devin Carter
19. Raptors - Carlton Carrington
31. Raptors - Ulrich Chomche

San Antonio drafts Pacome Dadiet with #35 and signs UDFA Tristen Newton and Cam Spencer and have a Husky bench.

PG TreJones/Castle - Newton
SG Vassell - Castle - Spencer - Sissoko
SF Sochan - Champagnie/Dadiet
PF Wemby - Sochan - Dadiet
C Collins/Clingan - Wemby

[OakleyDokely]

Clingan should be a solid starter, but man, him going 1st overall would a huge indictment on this draft. He should be a really good defender, but I don't see him being a generational defender whose a lock for a DPOY nomination every year. It would be like taking a player like Kessler or Mark Williams #1.

[Rapsfan07]

Risasher is a lock to DET if he falls

No doubt about it.

[XTC]

Clingan should be a solid starter, but man, him going 1st overall would a huge indictment on this draft. He should be a really good defender, but I don't see him being a generational defender whose a lock for a DPOY nomination every year. It would be like taking a player like Kessler or Mark Williams #1.

Very similar to Bogut going #1 overall when CP3 was right there.

[OakleyDokely]

Draft Year Numbers (sophomore years):

W Kessler: 25.6 MIN, 11.4 PPG, 8.1 REB, 0.9 AST, 4.6 BLK, 1.1 STL, .608 FG, .596 FT, .627 TS, 14.1 BPM
M Williams: 23.6 MIN, 11.2 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.9 AST, 2.8 BLK, 0.5 STL, .721 FG, .727 FT, .721 TS, 12.5 BPM
D Clingan: 22.5 MIN, 13.0 PPG, 7.4 REB, 1.5 AST, 2.5 BLK, 0.5 STL, .639 FG, .583 FT, .637 TS, 15.0 BPM

Combine Measurements:

W Kessel: 7'0.25 without shoes, 7'4.25 wingspan, 256 lbs
M Williams: 7'0.0 without shoes, 7'6.50 wingspan, 242 lbs
D Clingan: 7'1.75 without shoes, 7'6.75 wingspan, 282 lbs



In the 2022 draft, Mark Williams went 15th and Kessler went 22nd. Now, you can definitely argue that Kessler and to some extent Williams were drafted too low and in a redraft they'd go a lot higher given their performances and the fact that the appreciation for traditional bigmen has improved somewhat, but I'd be surprised if Clingan provided much more value than either Kessler or Williams have in the NBA so far.

[Psubs]

Draft Year Numbers (sophomore years):

W Kessler: 25.6 MIN, 11.4 PPG, 8.1 REB, 0.9 AST, 4.6 BLK, 1.1 STL, .608 FG, .596 FT, .627 TS, 14.1 BPM
M Williams: 23.6 MIN, 11.2 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.9 AST, 2.8 BLK, 0.5 STL, .721 FG, .727 FT, .721 TS, 12.5 BPM
D Clingan: 22.5 MIN, 13.0 PPG, 7.4 REB, 1.5 AST, 2.5 BLK, 0.5 STL, .639 FG, .583 FT, .637 TS, 15.0 BPM

Combine Measurements:

W Kessel: 7'0.25 without shoes, 7'4.25 wingspan, 256 lbs
M Williams: 7'0.0 without shoes, 7'6.50 wingspan, 242 lbs
D Clingan: 7'1.75 without shoes, 7'6.75 wingspan, 282 lbs



In the 2022 draft, Mark Williams went 15th and Kessler went 22nd. Now, you can definitely argue that Kessler and to some extent Williams were drafted too low and in a redraft they'd go a lot higher given their performances and the fact that the appreciation for traditional bigmen has improved somewhat, but I'd be surprised if Clingan provided much more value than either Kessler or Williams have in the NBA so far.

Just watching Clingan playing in Dan Hurley's offense, he looks like he's a better passer (A/T of 2) than Williams or Kessler.

[OakleyDokely]

Draft Year Numbers (sophomore years):

W Kessler: 25.6 MIN, 11.4 PPG, 8.1 REB, 0.9 AST, 4.6 BLK, 1.1 STL, .608 FG, .596 FT, .627 TS, 14.1 BPM
M Williams: 23.6 MIN, 11.2 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.9 AST, 2.8 BLK, 0.5 STL, .721 FG, .727 FT, .721 TS, 12.5 BPM
D Clingan: 22.5 MIN, 13.0 PPG, 7.4 REB, 1.5 AST, 2.5 BLK, 0.5 STL, .639 FG, .583 FT, .637 TS, 15.0 BPM

Combine Measurements:

W Kessel: 7'0.25 without shoes, 7'4.25 wingspan, 256 lbs
M Williams: 7'0.0 without shoes, 7'6.50 wingspan, 242 lbs
D Clingan: 7'1.75 without shoes, 7'6.75 wingspan, 282 lbs



In the 2022 draft, Mark Williams went 15th and Kessler went 22nd. Now, you can definitely argue that Kessler and to some extent Williams were drafted too low and in a redraft they'd go a lot higher given their performances and the fact that the appreciation for traditional bigmen has improved somewhat, but I'd be surprised if Clingan provided much more value than either Kessler or Williams have in the NBA so far.

Just watching Clingan playing in Dan Hurley's offense, he looks like he's a better passer (A/T of 2) than Williams or Kessler.

the passing is a plus for sure, but a guy like Poeltl can pass and while it helps him, players like this are still limited if they can't shoot from distance or hit free throws consistently.

[OAKLEY_2]

Draft predictions:
1. ATL - Clingan
2. Wizards - Sarr
3. Houston - Reed
4. Spurs - Castle
5. Detroit - Knecht
6. Charlotte - Holland
7. Portland - Risacher (or Salaun)
8. Spurs - Devin Carter
9. Memphis - Edey
10. Jazz - Salaun
11. Bulls - Buzelis
12. OKC - Cody
13. Kings - McCain (Monk replacement)
14. Portland - DaRon Holmes
15. Miami - Dillingham
16. 76ers - da Silva
17. Lakers - Ware
18. Orlando - KyShawn (or Furphy)
19. Raptors - Filipowski

Landry Fields is insane if he picks Clingan first overall. Madness. Where the H is Topic? If Topic makes it to 19 pretty sure we pounce. Ditto Walter. Jazz are really the only threat to take broken Topic so we might get Topic... who spends a year rehabing with Alex. Raps are not necessarily going to make a centre the priority if creators are on the board.

Defensive anchors (Gobert, Lively) have been a hot topic recently and Hawks need a big (PF/C) badly. There are a couple teams that want to move up for Clingan alone. Sarr hasn’t proven much and is still a work in progress. Clingan makes a lot more sense for them since Trae and Murray make them a win-now team.

Hawks considering Clingan rumours also just dropped yesterday (although they could have released these rumours to increase the trade value of the pick).

Topic is a long-neck giraffe with fake height, two busted knees, an ACL tear, a weak jumper and poor defense. That’s 3 too many red flags for teams to gamble on. Utah is likely interested a high upside player, which is why I went with Salaun.

Many consider Ja’Kobe as a chucker with iffy defense, but if a team likes him then he could go higher.

These are just random predictions though, based off of a combo of how I view the players and how I feel like other teams perceive their situation. No need to take them seriously. There are a few players I don’t like that are going pretty high.

OG's knee was a risk. I def take the flier on Topic because we can afford to take calculated risks. Edey would be that too. Calculated risk. Walter was worthy of his 5 star recruiting status. But, our brass is going to have solid reasons to take or pass on players. I kinda get the hype for Holmes. Just the kind of player we actually need if igoring yhe broader spectrum best players available.

[XTC]

Draft Year Numbers (sophomore years):

W Kessler: 25.6 MIN, 11.4 PPG, 8.1 REB, 0.9 AST, 4.6 BLK, 1.1 STL, .608 FG, .596 FT, .627 TS, 14.1 BPM
M Williams: 23.6 MIN, 11.2 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.9 AST, 2.8 BLK, 0.5 STL, .721 FG, .727 FT, .721 TS, 12.5 BPM
D Clingan: 22.5 MIN, 13.0 PPG, 7.4 REB, 1.5 AST, 2.5 BLK, 0.5 STL, .639 FG, .583 FT, .637 TS, 15.0 BPM

Combine Measurements:

W Kessel: 7'0.25 without shoes, 7'4.25 wingspan, 256 lbs
M Williams: 7'0.0 without shoes, 7'6.50 wingspan, 242 lbs
D Clingan: 7'1.75 without shoes, 7'6.75 wingspan, 282 lbs



In the 2022 draft, Mark Williams went 15th and Kessler went 22nd. Now, you can definitely argue that Kessler and to some extent Williams were drafted too low and in a redraft they'd go a lot higher given their performances and the fact that the appreciation for traditional bigmen has improved somewhat, but I'd be surprised if Clingan provided much more value than either Kessler or Williams have in the NBA so far.

Difference between Clingan and guys like Kessler/Williams is he shows passing potential, and he has a soft touch up close, and hes much more mobile than those two. If he develops his mid range jumper and free throws to even an average level, you're looking at a Andrew Bogut level player(Milwaukee version).

Young Poeltl also had these qualities, but his jumper and touch around the rim never developed. Still a very good starting level center, who can anchor a defense, but he's still very limited. Clingan has potential to be that good IMO.

[OakleyDokely]

Draft Year Numbers (sophomore years):

W Kessler: 25.6 MIN, 11.4 PPG, 8.1 REB, 0.9 AST, 4.6 BLK, 1.1 STL, .608 FG, .596 FT, .627 TS, 14.1 BPM
M Williams: 23.6 MIN, 11.2 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.9 AST, 2.8 BLK, 0.5 STL, .721 FG, .727 FT, .721 TS, 12.5 BPM
D Clingan: 22.5 MIN, 13.0 PPG, 7.4 REB, 1.5 AST, 2.5 BLK, 0.5 STL, .639 FG, .583 FT, .637 TS, 15.0 BPM

Combine Measurements:

W Kessel: 7'0.25 without shoes, 7'4.25 wingspan, 256 lbs
M Williams: 7'0.0 without shoes, 7'6.50 wingspan, 242 lbs
D Clingan: 7'1.75 without shoes, 7'6.75 wingspan, 282 lbs



In the 2022 draft, Mark Williams went 15th and Kessler went 22nd. Now, you can definitely argue that Kessler and to some extent Williams were drafted too low and in a redraft they'd go a lot higher given their performances and the fact that the appreciation for traditional bigmen has improved somewhat, but I'd be surprised if Clingan provided much more value than either Kessler or Williams have in the NBA so far.

Difference between Clingan and guys like Kessler/Williams is he shows passing potential, and he has a soft touch up close, and hes much more mobile than those two. If he develops his mid range jumper and free throws to even an average level, you're looking at a Andrew Bogut level player(Milwaukee version).

Young Poeltl also had these qualities, but his jumper and touch around the rim never developed. Still a very good starting level center, who can anchor a defense, but he's still very limited. Clingan has potential to be that good IMO.

I don't have much confidence in that happening with someone who shoots in the 50s from the line. Poeltl actually shot in the high 60s in his draft year and it never developed for him. Kessler shot under 60% in college and he's currently under 60% in the NBA. It's hard to make that jump for most guys, especially non shooting bigmen.

[dohboy_24]

Will more or less than two (2) centers be chosen in the lottery this year?

At this time both Sarr and Clingan are pretty much a lock to be selected among the first 14 picks, but will one or more of Kel'el Ware, Yves Missi, DaRon Holmes II, Kyle Filiopowski, or Zach Edey make the cut to join them?

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Clingan should be a solid starter, but man, him going 1st overall would a huge indictment on this draft. He should be a really good defender, but I don't see him being a generational defender whose a lock for a DPOY nomination every year. It would be like taking a player like Kessler or Mark Williams #1.

I think he's definitely a better prospect than Kessler for a variety of reasons where he possesses advantages over him. Thing is that it's no secret the draft is bad and loaded with guys who project as role players, so taking a traditional 5 #1 which is normally shady due to how easily they can be replaced is fine this year. The main issue I have with Clingan at the absolute top is that he looks like a walking band-aid and I have a bad feeling about him for some reason when it comes to staying healthy but I hope I'm wrong. Regardless, inclinations can't factor too much into evaluations, but Edey at least looks damn healthy and really massive centers can frequently encounter injury issues, see Embiid, Nurkic, etc..

So obviously unless the center is some kind of freak that does things other than rim run and defend you generally want to target wings and guards since they can't be replaced as easily and have lower injury risk - but again only if the center doesn't display offensive hub or clear elite floor stretching ability. Edey's resume is great for him since he rarely missed a second in college.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Will more or less than two (2) centers be chosen in the lottery this year?

At this time both Sarr and Clingan are pretty much a lock to be selected among the first 14 picks, but will one or more of Kel'el Ware, Yves Missi, DaRon Holmes II, Kyle Filiopowski, or Zach Edey make the cut to join them?

More. Between MEM, CHI, OKC and POR I'd expect one of those picks to be a center, likely Zach Edey.

[metafisical]

Looking at their draft positions this year, I am really impressed with San Antonio. It's like a tWo dream. They have 2 lotto picks in the upcoming draft, a once-in-a-generation talent in Wemby, cap space, and up to 4 first round picks in the supposed stacked 2025 draft.

[Syd-TK3]

Looking at their draft positions this year, I am really impressed with San Antonio. It's like a tWo dream. They have 2 lotto picks in the upcoming draft, a once-in-a-generation talent in Wemby, cap space, and up to 4 first round picks in the supposed stacked 2025 draft.

Dynasty in the making if management makes the right decisions

[billy_hoyle]

Grabbed Devin Carter and DaRon Holmes at 19 and 31 in the ESPN simulator.

Probably my favorite haul.

I've grabbed Ware and Tyler Smith too. Which I also like.

If you grab Edey you usually end up with no sliders. Although I did grab Edey and Filipowski once.

We have a chance to shore up our rotation with this draft.

[PoundTown]

Looking at their draft positions this year, I am really impressed with San Antonio. It's like a tWo dream. They have 2 lotto picks in the upcoming draft, a once-in-a-generation talent in Wemby, cap space, and up to 4 first round picks in the supposed stacked 2025 draft.

Dynasty in the making if management makes the right decisions

I'd be looking to keep the picks this year if I were them. I'd also be keeping my eyes out for a young vet I could sign in free agency. I'd be open to moving Keldon if I were them, and then in 2025 with those picks I'd be looking to make a big draft day splash and get a big name to pair with Wemby and Vassel.

[Rapsfan07]

Grabbed Devin Carter and DaRon Holmes at 19 and 31 in the ESPN simulator.

Probably my favorite haul.

I've grabbed Ware and Tyler Smith too. Which I also like.

If you grab Edey you usually end up with no sliders. Although I did grab Edey and Filipowski once.

We have a chance to shore up our rotation with this draft.

Carter and Holmes is an absolute home run draft.

[WuTang_CMB]

That 30 pick I hope gets traded for something good. preferably another 25' pick in a bigger deal