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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1521 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jun 6, 2024 7:18 pm

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Red flags keep popping up. Real shady representatives. I’m sure that’s going to endear the Heat front office.


7 wingspan? The eyes tell u thats bs.

His agent is like a used car salesman lol. I’ll respect the draft Topic opinions respectfully but I just don’t see the Heat front office buying into this even with the slide. Unless we are planning a full rebuild i don’t see how Riley and the front office can justify this pick with all the talent that will be on the board at 15.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1523 » by DayofMourning » Thu Jun 6, 2024 7:33 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:His agent is like a used car salesman lol. I’ll respect the draft Topic opinions respectfully but I just don’t see the Heat front office buying into this even with the slide. Unless we are planning a full rebuild i don’t see how Riley and the front office can justify this pick with all the talent that will be on the board at 15.


Im all in on Devin, Da Silva and Ware. Good size, athletic and experienced.
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It's been apparent to me that he didn't have a 7' wingspan. His size is an exaggerated strength given how long his neck is. It surely helps with his court vision, but otherwise he's just regular guard size.

Still is probably the best PG prospect in the class given his excellent playmaking and slashing ability with positive shooting indicators.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1525 » by DayofMourning » Thu Jun 6, 2024 7:42 pm

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It's been apparent to me that he didn't have a 7' wingspan. His size is an exaggerated strength given how long his neck is. It surely helps with his court vision, but otherwise he's just regular guard size.

Still is probably the best PG prospect in the class given his excellent playmaking and slashing ability with positive shooting indicators.


He looks like he will be able to run an offense fo sho. He shouldve had his team stretch his arms out the way they stretched his neck.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1526 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jun 6, 2024 7:43 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:His agent is like a used car salesman lol. I’ll respect the draft Topic opinions respectfully but I just don’t see the Heat front office buying into this even with the slide. Unless we are planning a full rebuild i don’t see how Riley and the front office can justify this pick with all the talent that will be on the board at 15.


Im all in on Devin, Da Silva and Ware. Good size, athletic and experienced.

Those are my 3 Heat guys too with a little on the edge with Ware but he’s really impressed me during his recent interviews. I think he’s one that can really endear himself to the Heat especially with our need for size that can help right out the gate.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1527 » by greg4012 » Thu Jun 6, 2024 7:58 pm

What are people's expectations/player comps for Devin Carter?
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1528 » by DayofMourning » Thu Jun 6, 2024 7:59 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:His agent is like a used car salesman lol. I’ll respect the draft Topic opinions respectfully but I just don’t see the Heat front office buying into this even with the slide. Unless we are planning a full rebuild i don’t see how Riley and the front office can justify this pick with all the talent that will be on the board at 15.


Im all in on Devin, Da Silva and Ware. Good size, athletic and experienced.

Those are my 3 Heat guys too with a little on the edge with Ware but he’s really impressed me during his recent interviews. I think he’s one that can really endear himself to the Heat especially with our need for size that can help right out the gate.


Id rank them by preference:

Carter-high level athlete, defensive minded, length for position, experienced

Ware-high level athlete, two way player, actual center size

Da Silva-smart, efficient shooter, quality team defender, experienced
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1529 » by DayofMourning » Thu Jun 6, 2024 8:00 pm

greg4012 wrote:What are people's expectations/player comps for Devin Carter?


D'Erin Fox?
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1531 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jun 6, 2024 8:07 pm

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greg4012 wrote:What are people's expectations/player comps for Devin Carter?


D'Erin Fox?

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/devin-carter-the-next-all-defensive

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1532 » by twix2500 » Thu Jun 6, 2024 8:07 pm

greg4012 wrote:What are people's expectations/player comps for Devin Carter?


Norris Coles with a jumpshot
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I'd say it's more informative to compare his wingspan and total length to other NBA PGs. Discrediting a prospect for having plus height and average positional wingspan seems wonky. And I bet his standing reach is close to average for the position because he has that long neck lol
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

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I'd say it's more informative to compare his wingspan and total length to other NBA PGs. Discrediting a prospect for having plus height and average positional wingspan seems wonky. And I bet his standing reach is close to average for the position because he has that long neck lol

OMG the long neck jokes got me rolling :lol:
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1535 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jun 6, 2024 8:14 pm

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greg4012 wrote:What are people's expectations/player comps for Devin Carter?


Norris Coles with a jumpshot

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1536 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jun 6, 2024 8:16 pm

Devin Carter at 6'3 with a 6'9 wingspan is going to be a perimeter defensive demon. When losing defensive perimeter wing players like Martin and Highsmith we could only be so lucky to be able to get someone like Carter to replace them and also bring scoring ability on top of that.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1537 » by greg4012 » Thu Jun 6, 2024 8:28 pm

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greg4012 wrote:What are people's expectations/player comps for Devin Carter?


D'Erin Fox?

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/devin-carter-the-next-all-defensive

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Thanks for sharing--I like the process it went thru. Def starts off with some lofty comparisons. I think comparing Carter to most any star PG is a bit of a stretch, especially the top guys where it's a comparison of 19 year old freshman stats vs a 22 year old player who had a big jump in year 3.

I'm totally IN on Miami drafting Devin Carter. I think he's an excellent prospect who can be a real defensive difference maker at the next level (not just a good defender).

But, I think any comparison or expectation to a lead NBA guard is lofty and somewhat hard to justify. I'm rooting for him to achieve it though. You just look at his playstyle and playmaking stats and it's clear his Assist rate and A/TO rate is lower than most all PG and lead guard comparisons (and that's comparing his 21-22 age stats to a lot of freshmen).

My expectation for Devin Carter at the next level is to operate as a secondary ballhandler that mostly scores through line drives to the rim and catch and shoot 3s, with a spattering of on-ball work in between.

I'm very encouraged by his jump in 3 ball this season, but for the guard position, it's hard to trust his shooting profile to fully translate yet. There's not much in-between game and he doesn't have a lot of creativity or lateral movement when slashing--it's linear.

He does A LOT of things that are not part of the typical guard profile exceptionally well, and some of those things don't even show up on a stat sheet.

My comparison for him is Josh Hart (defense, rebounding, uncertain 3 ball translation). I do like the Alex Caruso comparison, as I think he can fill a similar role in the NBA and there's a chance his defense can approach that level of impact (which would be elite).

His floor is excellent. His ceiling is TBD for me.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1538 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jun 6, 2024 8:40 pm

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https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/devin-carter-the-next-all-defensive

Great article on player comparisons


Thanks for sharing--I like the process it went thru. Def starts off with some lofty comparisons. I think comparing Carter to most any star PG is a bit of a stretch, especially the top guys where it's a comparison of 19 year old freshman stats vs a 22 year old player who had a big jump in year 3.

I'm totally IN on Miami drafting Devin Carter. I think he's an excellent prospect who can be a real defensive difference maker at the next level (not just a good defender).

But, I think any comparison or expectation to a lead NBA guard is lofty and somewhat hard to justify. I'm rooting for him to achieve it though. You just look at his playstyle and playmaking stats and it's clear his Assist rate and A/TO rate is lower than most all PG and lead guard comparisons (and that's comparing his 21-22 age stats to a lot of freshmen).

My expectation for Devin Carter at the next level is to operate as a secondary ballhandler that mostly scores through line drives to the rim and catch and shoot 3s, with a spattering of on-ball work in between.

I'm very encouraged by his jump in 3 ball this season, but for the guard position, it's hard to trust his shooting profile to fully translate yet. There's not much in-between game and he doesn't have a lot of creativity or lateral movement when slashing--it's linear.

He does A LOT of things that are not part of the typical guard profile exceptionally well, and some of those things don't even show up on a stat sheet.

My comparison for him is Josh Hart (defense, rebounding, uncertain 3 ball translation). I do like the Alex Caruso comparison, as I think he can fill a similar role in the NBA and there's a chance his defense can approach that level of impact (which would be elite).

His floor is excellent. His ceiling is TBD for me.

Even without being a pure lead guard he fits the mold to a tee what Spo and the organization goes for. Spo always talks about not always needing a lead guard but more connectors. He would be similar to what Gabe Vincent brought in the combo guard role. With Jovic in the starting lineup i’d continue to have him handle the ball and create more often than not.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1539 » by greg4012 » Thu Jun 6, 2024 8:48 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/devin-carter-the-next-all-defensive

Great article on player comparisons


Thanks for sharing--I like the process it went thru. Def starts off with some lofty comparisons. I think comparing Carter to most any star PG is a bit of a stretch, especially the top guys where it's a comparison of 19 year old freshman stats vs a 22 year old player who had a big jump in year 3.

I'm totally IN on Miami drafting Devin Carter. I think he's an excellent prospect who can be a real defensive difference maker at the next level (not just a good defender).

But, I think any comparison or expectation to a lead NBA guard is lofty and somewhat hard to justify. I'm rooting for him to achieve it though. You just look at his playstyle and playmaking stats and it's clear his Assist rate and A/TO rate is lower than most all PG and lead guard comparisons (and that's comparing his 21-22 age stats to a lot of freshmen).

My expectation for Devin Carter at the next level is to operate as a secondary ballhandler that mostly scores through line drives to the rim and catch and shoot 3s, with a spattering of on-ball work in between.

I'm very encouraged by his jump in 3 ball this season, but for the guard position, it's hard to trust his shooting profile to fully translate yet. There's not much in-between game and he doesn't have a lot of creativity or lateral movement when slashing--it's linear.

He does A LOT of things that are not part of the typical guard profile exceptionally well, and some of those things don't even show up on a stat sheet.

My comparison for him is Josh Hart (defense, rebounding, uncertain 3 ball translation). I do like the Alex Caruso comparison, as I think he can fill a similar role in the NBA and there's a chance his defense can approach that level of impact (which would be elite).

His floor is excellent. His ceiling is TBD for me.

Even without being a pure lead guard he fits the mold to a tee what Spo and the organization goes for. Spo always talks about not always needing a lead guard but more connectors. He would be similar to what Gabe Vincent brought in the combo guard role. With Jovic in the starting lineup i’d continue to have him handle the ball and create more often than not.


He's a nice piece for any team to add. That's why I love his floor. This team (short term and long term) definitely desperately needs a real infusion of offensive creation. But, I don't think we can count on any prospect to provide that. There's a handful that I believe have a higher likelihood of getting there (Collier, Topic, Carrington). But none of them touch Carter's floor and defensive profile.

All the talk about back court and front court prospects (and the lack of plus wings in this draft), watch Miami draft a wing that no one predicted lol
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Post#1540 » by greg4012 » Thu Jun 6, 2024 8:57 pm

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Interesting...I'm skeptical that NBADraft.net can be trusted as any sort of source to break info. Also skeptical that Holmes would cancel all his workouts for pick 28.

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