All things Anfernee Simons

[zaymon]

Portland fan wanting to keep Brogdon over Simons should tell everthing we need to know.
Blazers are looking for sucker to take his contract and even add some assets.
Using assets for someone like him are start of rebuilds going sideways especially with new cba.
I believe our front office is quite smart. Better with creating brotherhood, trades and negotiating contracts than drafting but they are not below average in any aspect.

[tiderulz]

[quote="zaymon"]Portland fan wanting to keep Brogdon over Simons should tell everthing we need to know.
Blazers are looking for sucker to take his contract and even add some assets.
Using assets for someone like him are start of rebuilds going sideways especially with new cba.
I believe our front office is quite smart. Better with creating brotherhood, trades and negotiating contracts than drafting but they are not below average in any aspect.[/quote]
its about positions. Sharpe is more SG than SF, and that who they want to see with more time. and Brogdon expires and can still tutor Scoot at PG. and his contract isnt a sucker contract, especially as you look around the league and contracts lately.

[zaymon]

its about positions. Sharpe is more SG than SF, and that who they want to see with more time. and Brogdon expires and can still tutor Scoot at PG. and his contract isnt a sucker contract, especially as you look around the league and contracts lately.

If he was any good they would build around him and not mediocre prospects like Sharpe or Henderson who was one of my least favourite top of the draft players last year.
Blazers had no problem building around Lillard when Aldridge bolted. Nobody there considers building around Simons. He is basically much worse defensively McCollum.

[JRoy]

its about positions. Sharpe is more SG than SF, and that who they want to see with more time. and Brogdon expires and can still tutor Scoot at PG. and his contract isnt a sucker contract, especially as you look around the league and contracts lately.

If he was any good they would build around him and not mediocre prospects like Sharpe or Henderson who was one of my least favourite top of the draft players last year.
Blazers had no problem building around Lillard when Aldridge bolted. Nobody there considers building around Simons. He is basically much worse defensively McCollum.

Sharpe is not a mediocre prospect.

[zaymon]

its about positions. Sharpe is more SG than SF, and that who they want to see with more time. and Brogdon expires and can still tutor Scoot at PG. and his contract isnt a sucker contract, especially as you look around the league and contracts lately.

If he was any good they would build around him and not mediocre prospects like Sharpe or Henderson who was one of my least favourite top of the draft players last year.
Blazers had no problem building around Lillard when Aldridge bolted. Nobody there considers building around Simons. He is basically much worse defensively McCollum.

Sharpe is not a mediocre prospect.

I think he is mediocre but we can disagree. Good 3&D potential but not as good as Black. I would never trade Black for Sharpe and i would never build around Black let alone Sharpe.

[JRoy]

If he was any good they would build around him and not mediocre prospects like Sharpe or Henderson who was one of my least favourite top of the draft players last year.
Blazers had no problem building around Lillard when Aldridge bolted. Nobody there considers building around Simons. He is basically much worse defensively McCollum.

Sharpe is not a mediocre prospect.

I think he is mediocre but we can disagree. Good 3&D potential but not as good as Black. I would never trade Black for Sharpe and i would never build around Black let alone Sharpe.

Shows you know nothing about Sharpe.

Sharpe is maybe the best athlete the Blazers have had since Rider, maybe since Drexler. He’s a scoring threat from all 3 levels and a weak, but developing defensive player.

Did not play a single college game and contributed right out of the gate until sidelined for season ending surgery.

[zaymon]

Sharpe is not a mediocre prospect.

I think he is mediocre but we can disagree. Good 3&D potential but not as good as Black. I would never trade Black for Sharpe and i would never build around Black let alone Sharpe.

Shows you know nothing about Sharpe.

Sharpe is maybe the best athlete the Blazers have had since Rider, maybe since Drexler. He’s a scoring threat from all 3 levels and a weak, but developing defensive player.

Did not play a single college game and contributed right out of the gate until sidelined for season ending surgery.

I wont pretend i know more about him but i didnt like him before draft, i dont like his game when he plays against magic and his efficiency and even more important playmaking skills are very underwhelming. I dont like low feel for the game players. Black is even more raw but he has more size and much better defender. I doubt Sharpe at his peak will match rookie Black.

[JRoy]

I think he is mediocre but we can disagree. Good 3&D potential but not as good as Black. I would never trade Black for Sharpe and i would never build around Black let alone Sharpe.

Shows you know nothing about Sharpe.

Sharpe is maybe the best athlete the Blazers have had since Rider, maybe since Drexler. He’s a scoring threat from all 3 levels and a weak, but developing defensive player.

Did not play a single college game and contributed right out of the gate until sidelined for season ending surgery.

I wont pretend i know more about him but i didnt like him before draft, i dont like his game when he plays against magic and his efficiency and even more important playmaking skills are very underwhelming. I dont like low feel for the game players. Black is even more raw but he has more size and much better defender. I doubt Sharpe at his peak will match rookie Black.

You seem pretty sure of yourself.

Just looking at most basic stats, rookie AB averaged 4.6/2/1.3

Sharpe averaged 15.9/5/2.9

Maybe you should reconsider that opinion.

I didn’t want Sharpe in the draft; he was an unknown and I was hoping we would compete with Lillard. I wanted Eason.

Sharpe has grown on me. Terrific athlete, natural scorer and very young.

I think AB is an excellent prospect and comparing a year 2 guy to a rookie stat wise was just to refute your opinion.

[basketballRob]

Shows you know nothing about Sharpe.

Sharpe is maybe the best athlete the Blazers have had since Rider, maybe since Drexler. He’s a scoring threat from all 3 levels and a weak, but developing defensive player.

Did not play a single college game and contributed right out of the gate until sidelined for season ending surgery.

I wont pretend i know more about him but i didnt like him before draft, i dont like his game when he plays against magic and his efficiency and even more important playmaking skills are very underwhelming. I dont like low feel for the game players. Black is even more raw but he has more size and much better defender. I doubt Sharpe at his peak will match rookie Black.

You seem pretty sure of yourself.

Just looking at most basic stats, rookie AB averaged 4.6/2/1.3

Sharpe averaged 15.9/5/2.9

Maybe you should reconsider that opinion.

I didn’t want Sharpe in the draft; he was an unknown and I was hoping we would compete with Lillard. I wanted Eason.

Sharpe has grown on me. Terrific athlete, natural scorer and very young.

I think AB is an excellent prospect and comparing a year 2 guy to a rookie stat wise was just to refute your opinion.

Your best ability is availability, and so far, Sharpe hasn't been able to show that.

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[zaymon]

Shows you know nothing about Sharpe.

Sharpe is maybe the best athlete the Blazers have had since Rider, maybe since Drexler. He’s a scoring threat from all 3 levels and a weak, but developing defensive player.

Did not play a single college game and contributed right out of the gate until sidelined for season ending surgery.

I wont pretend i know more about him but i didnt like him before draft, i dont like his game when he plays against magic and his efficiency and even more important playmaking skills are very underwhelming. I dont like low feel for the game players. Black is even more raw but he has more size and much better defender. I doubt Sharpe at his peak will match rookie Black.

You seem pretty sure of yourself.

Just looking at most basic stats, rookie AB averaged 4.6/2/1.3

Sharpe averaged 15.9/5/2.9

Maybe you should reconsider that opinion.

I didn’t want Sharpe in the draft; he was an unknown and I was hoping we would compete with Lillard. I wanted Eason.

Sharpe has grown on me. Terrific athlete, natural scorer and very young.

I think AB is an excellent prospect and comparing a year 2 guy to a rookie stat wise was just to refute your opinion.

I am not sure what you want to prove ? That Sharpe played more minutes with bigger role ? Well thats a strawman argument. Sharpe assist to turnover ratios is almost 1:1 and he is inefficient despite being so athletic and playing next to passer Henderson and Simons who is supposedly good enough to improve efficiency of everyone on Magic roster. Something feels very fishy here.

[JRoy]

I wont pretend i know more about him but i didnt like him before draft, i dont like his game when he plays against magic and his efficiency and even more important playmaking skills are very underwhelming. I dont like low feel for the game players. Black is even more raw but he has more size and much better defender. I doubt Sharpe at his peak will match rookie Black.

You seem pretty sure of yourself.

Just looking at most basic stats, rookie AB averaged 4.6/2/1.3

Sharpe averaged 15.9/5/2.9

Maybe you should reconsider that opinion.

I didn’t want Sharpe in the draft; he was an unknown and I was hoping we would compete with Lillard. I wanted Eason.

Sharpe has grown on me. Terrific athlete, natural scorer and very young.

I think AB is an excellent prospect and comparing a year 2 guy to a rookie stat wise was just to refute your opinion.

I am not sure what you want to prove ? That Sharpe played more minutes with bigger role ? Well thats a strawman argument. Sharpe assist to turnover ratios is almost 1:1 and he is inefficient despite being so athletic and playing next to passer Henderson and Simons who is supposedly good enough to improve efficiency of everyone on Magic roster. Something feels very fishy here.

You are the one that said that rookie AB would be better at any point in his career. I posted numbers that roundly destroy that argument.

You are also asserting claims that I have never made regarding Scoot and Simons.

[VFX]

You seem pretty sure of yourself.

Just looking at most basic stats, rookie AB averaged 4.6/2/1.3

Sharpe averaged 15.9/5/2.9

Maybe you should reconsider that opinion.

I didn’t want Sharpe in the draft; he was an unknown and I was hoping we would compete with Lillard. I wanted Eason.

Sharpe has grown on me. Terrific athlete, natural scorer and very young.

I think AB is an excellent prospect and comparing a year 2 guy to a rookie stat wise was just to refute your opinion.

I am not sure what you want to prove ? That Sharpe played more minutes with bigger role ? Well thats a strawman argument. Sharpe assist to turnover ratios is almost 1:1 and he is inefficient despite being so athletic and playing next to passer Henderson and Simons who is supposedly good enough to improve efficiency of everyone on Magic roster. Something feels very fishy here.

You are the one that said that rookie AB would be better at any point in his career. I posted numbers that roundly destroy that argument.

You are also asserting claims that I have made regarding Scoot and Simons.

AB is purely a potential based player at this point. Sharpe has logged real minutes and we know what he is capable of doing as a more quantifiable player profile.

I still think Sharpe is Portlands best asset compared to Scoot and Simons. This is mostly because of his size, age, positional versatility, and skillset.

AB was not in a great position buried behind Fultz, Cole, Gary, and sometimes Suggs in certain rotations. To use his numbers comparatively against Sharpe doesnt really make sense considering they are tasked with different things and in vastly different situations. You'd sooner compare Suggs to Sharpe.

[JRoy]

I am not sure what you want to prove ? That Sharpe played more minutes with bigger role ? Well thats a strawman argument. Sharpe assist to turnover ratios is almost 1:1 and he is inefficient despite being so athletic and playing next to passer Henderson and Simons who is supposedly good enough to improve efficiency of everyone on Magic roster. Something feels very fishy here.

You are the one that said that rookie AB would be better at any point in his career. I posted numbers that roundly destroy that argument.

You are also asserting claims that I have made regarding Scoot and Simons.

AB is purely a potential based player at this point. Sharpe has logged real minutes and we know what he is capable of doing as a more quantifiable player profile.

I still think Sharpe is Portlands best asset compared to Scoot and Simons. This is mostly because of his size, age, positional versatility, and skillset.

AB was not in a great position buried behind Fultz, Cole, Gary, and sometimes Suggs in certain rotations. To use his numbers comparatively against Sharpe doesnt really make sense considering they are tasked with different things and in vastly different situations. You'd sooner compare Suggs to Sharpe.

Agreed.

I am not the one that made the outlandish claim that rookie AB would be better than peak Sharpe. That’s ridiculous and I proved that.

I preferred AB to Scoot as a prospect and I still do.

[Skybox]

I wont pretend i know more about him but i didnt like him before draft, i dont like his game when he plays against magic and his efficiency and even more important playmaking skills are very underwhelming. I dont like low feel for the game players. Black is even more raw but he has more size and much better defender. I doubt Sharpe at his peak will match rookie Black.

You seem pretty sure of yourself.

Just looking at most basic stats, rookie AB averaged 4.6/2/1.3

Sharpe averaged 15.9/5/2.9

Maybe you should reconsider that opinion.

I didn’t want Sharpe in the draft; he was an unknown and I was hoping we would compete with Lillard. I wanted Eason.

Sharpe has grown on me. Terrific athlete, natural scorer and very young.

I think AB is an excellent prospect and comparing a year 2 guy to a rookie stat wise was just to refute your opinion.

Your best ability is availability, and so far, Sharpe hasn't been able to show that.

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I wouldn’t cheer so much about a comparison with a guy who had NO injuries and couldn’t get on the floor. Sharpe is an excellent prospect. Black might become one.

This thread has become absurdly polarized. Simons has flaws. Nobody ever claimed he didn’t…but this dissection of a guy who routinely puts up 25 points and is, inarguably, one of THE VERY BEST long range shooters in the league is just ridiculous. Nobody’s suggesting putting up 4 frps or any core players that have actually contributed thus far. He’s not getting a max deal…ever. He’s just a really formidable, young, supremely athletic kid with an elite skill and potential for more. Nobody NOBODY is suggesting he takes over the team or even the offense…he’s just a very good fit in areas we lack.

The idea that Monk is miles ahead holds no water. They’re very similar in skillset, assists, and size, but Simons is a far more reliable shooter and has been for years. Monk has been a borderline bust for years until finding his bench role with LAL (on a min. deal) and with SAC. I’d be really happy with Monk, but he’s far more likely to disappoint than Simons, imo. Monk’s strong case is the fact that he’s very available…there are plenty of Kings fans who think ORL will regret paying him and expecting more than a super sixth man (like Cole + 15%?). Misquoting JRoy’s honest assessment of Simons as being really down on him is another reach. He’s got flaws, but he’d plug holes nicely with elite shooting, solid secondary playmaking, and not be a conflict with Franz and Paolo’s ascendance to stardom.

I’m not pushing forSimons over Monk. They’re the same kind of player. It largely depends on what the prices are and what other deals might be affected or enhanced. I’m just pointing out that the criticisms are so exaggerated and getting carried away for a guy who’d be our 4th or 5th best player (even if 2nd or 3rd in ppg). Meanwhile, casually talking about Trae, who has NO defensive potential, would cost twice the assets and twice the salary and would 100% flip the offensive hierarchy and locker room on its side…seems a whole lot riskier to me…and doesnt get the same level of scrutiny as a guy we’re talking about picking up for a couple of late frps and/or a prospect who collected DNPs all season, despite a glaring need for his supposed position. I like AB but the perspective is extremely warped when he gets the degree of benefit vs another young guy who’s already (different) doing things reliably.

AB hits a 3 once every third game and he’s anointed as a shooter, while Simons makes 3+ EVERY night and he’s just ok.

[RichCollab]

You seem pretty sure of yourself.

Just looking at most basic stats, rookie AB averaged 4.6/2/1.3

Sharpe averaged 15.9/5/2.9

Maybe you should reconsider that opinion.

I didn’t want Sharpe in the draft; he was an unknown and I was hoping we would compete with Lillard. I wanted Eason.

Sharpe has grown on me. Terrific athlete, natural scorer and very young.

I think AB is an excellent prospect and comparing a year 2 guy to a rookie stat wise was just to refute your opinion.

Your best ability is availability, and so far, Sharpe hasn't been able to show that.

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I wouldn’t cheer so much about a comparison with a guy who had NO injuries and couldn’t get on the floor. Sharpe is an excellent prospect. Black might become one.

This thread has become absurdly polarized. Simons has flaws. Nobody ever claimed he didn’t…but this dissection of a guy who routinely puts up 25 points and is, inarguably, one of THE VERY BEST long range shooters in the league is just ridiculous. Nobody’s suggesting putting up 4 frps or any core players that have actually contributed thus far. He’s not getting a max deal…ever. He’s just a really formidable, young, supremely athletic kid with an elite skill and potential for more. Nobody NOBODY is suggesting he takes over the team or even the offense…he’s just a very good fit in areas we lack.

The idea that Monk is miles ahead holds no water. They’re very similar in skillset, assists, and size, but Simons is a far more reliable shooter and has been for years. Monk has been a borderline bust for years until finding his bench role with LAL (on a min. deal) and with SAC. I’d be really happy with Monk, but he’s far more likely to disappoint than Simons, imo. Monk’s strong case is the fact that he’s very available…there are plenty of Kings fans who think ORL will regret paying him and expecting more than a super sixth man (like Cole + 15%?). Misquoting JRoy’s honest assessment of Simons as being really down on him is another reach. He’s got flaws, but he’d plug holes nicely with elite shooting, solid secondary playmaking, and not be a conflict with Franz and Paolo’s ascendance to stardom.

I’m not pushing forSimons over Monk. They’re the same kind of player. It largely depends on what the prices are and what other deals might be affected or enhanced. I’m just pointing out that the criticisms are so exaggerated and getting carried away for a guy who’d be our 4th or 5th best player (even if 2nd or 3rd in ppg). Meanwhile, casually talking about Trae, who has NO defensive potential, would cost twice the assets and twice the salary and would 100% flip the offensive hierarchy and locker room on its side…seems a whole lot riskier to me…and doesnt get the same level of scrutiny as a guy we’re talking about picking up for a couple of late frps and/or a prospect who collected DNPs all season, despite a glaring need for his supposed position. I like AB but the perspective is extremely warped when he gets the degree of benefit vs another young guy who’s already (different) doing things reliably.

AB hits a 3 once every third game and he’s anointed as a shooter, while Simons makes 3+ EVERY night and he’s just ok.

Cole put up a ton of 25+ games his 2nd season.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/cole-anthony-25-point-games

I don’t see Simons doing what he does on a winning team.

[RichCollab]

Simons hasn’t made it to 65 played games his last 4 seasons.

He is the one player our fan base way overrates in my opinion.

[Nyce_1]

Simons hasn’t made it to 65 played games his last 4 seasons.

He is the one player our fan base way overrates in my opinion.

To be fair, they've been tanking for 3 seasons, so they've been extra cautious with injuries. We know how that goes here.

[Audi]

People acknowledge WCJ is a fine player but still want to see him replaced by a rim protector and then turn around and act like Portland fans wanting a Simons trade to make room for a better fit means…Simons must suck. Lol.

[Rainwater]

Portland fan wanting to keep Brogdon over Simons should tell everthing we need to know.
Blazers are looking for sucker to take his contract and even add some assets.
Using assets for someone like him are start of rebuilds going sideways especially with new cba.
I believe our front office is quite smart. Better with creating brotherhood, trades and negotiating contracts than drafting but they are not below average in any aspect.

Not really. Portland is rebuilding so there are a number of reasons to keep Brogdon over Simons. Simons is younger and better and will net them more assets. With Sharpe and Scoot already there, Simons is not needed with his longer contract. While Brogdon on an expiring contract can be a short-term mentor while Portland can benefit from the Cap relief.

[Knightro]

]Your best ability is availability, and so far, Sharpe hasn't been able to show that.

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I hate this saying

The best ability is decidedly not availability. It’s nice to have, but actually being good at basketball > being available to play basketball.