Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 2 : We Running it Back.. (WITH MITCHELL!)

[SerialChiller]

We absolutely have to dump Herro somehow or get him to be an expensive 3rd or 4th scoring option off the bench as 6th man. We tried and he isn't a star or even a starter on a contending team unless surrounded by 4 elite defenders. His ego won't like it but honestly his over inflated self confidence is one of his few traits along with shooting touch that are NBA star qualities. He's an elite 6th man but he won't live up to 30M or be an allstar, and has to be hidden on defense to avoid getting constantly hunted.

[Rapaz]

Imagine we traded for KP to pair with Bam. I'm sick and tired of this team we need big changes. If we don't get anyone who moves the needle move Jimmy and move forward with a younger core group. It can't be the same again I'm going crazy here even thinking about another year with this roster.

That’s what y’all get for trusting a Fraudfather.

Put your FraudDaddy out to pasture and come home to Mama.

Xoxo.

[SerialChiller]

Imagine we traded for KP to pair with Bam. I'm sick and tired of this team we need big changes. If we don't get anyone who moves the needle move Jimmy and move forward with a younger core group. It can't be the same again I'm going crazy here even thinking about another year with this roster.

That’s what y’all get for trusting a Fraudfather.

Put your FraudDaddy out to pasture and come home to Mama.

Xoxo.

I've been taking a break from here mostly this offseason because it's soo hard to watch nothing happen over and over. But I forgot about Rapaz roleplaying to keep the offseason somewhat fun!

[Flash4thewin]

Imagine we traded for KP to pair with Bam. I'm sick and tired of this team we need big changes. If we don't get anyone who moves the needle move Jimmy and move forward with a younger core group. It can't be the same again I'm going crazy here even thinking about another year with this roster.

The team made the playoffs, thats good enough for Pat and the front office. What we will be doing is moving heaven and earth to get out of paying that tax, thats the real priority this offseason.

[SerialChiller]

Imagine we traded for KP to pair with Bam. I'm sick and tired of this team we need big changes. If we don't get anyone who moves the needle move Jimmy and move forward with a younger core group. It can't be the same again I'm going crazy here even thinking about another year with this roster.

The team made the playoffs, thats good enough for Pat and the front office. What we will be doing is moving heaven and earth to get out of paying that tax, thats the real priority this offseason.

I wish their standard was at least to make the playoffs as an actual top 6 seed and not be a playin team at least if they don't want to move Jimmy and look towards the youth movement! I think last years miracle run might of messed up everyone's assessments of this team and "we have enough". Hopefully this wakeup call this year will make management reassess this obviously lacking roster. No scoring and no size is not going to get it done!

[SerialChiller]

Watching these Goblins dominate makes me want to pull a Tobin and start throwing back straight liquor haha. I might be done watching bball for this season. Ready for NHL finals and NFL now.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Imagine we traded for KP to pair with Bam. I'm sick and tired of this team we need big changes. If we don't get anyone who moves the needle move Jimmy and move forward with a younger core group. It can't be the same again I'm going crazy here even thinking about another year with this roster.

Both teams on the finals have proactive GMs that aren’t lazy or scared to make moves overvaluing the bums on their roster

[SerialChiller]

Imagine we traded for KP to pair with Bam. I'm sick and tired of this team we need big changes. If we don't get anyone who moves the needle move Jimmy and move forward with a younger core group. It can't be the same again I'm going crazy here even thinking about another year with this roster.

Both teams on the finals have proactive GMs that aren’t lazy or scared to make moves overvaluing the bums on their roster

Exactly my thoughts. Like I hear excuses on twitter and even here whatever about oh what can Riley really even do with what we have. Well how in the F does Boston somehow add KP and Jrue and before that Brogdon and stuff. We hardly do anything but just continually overpay our own guys and apparently hate size and scoring its getting really sickening.

[Kobewade11]

Exactly my thoughts. Like I hear excuses on twitter and even here whatever about oh what can Riley really even do with what we have. Well how in the F does Boston somehow add KP and Jrue and before that Brogdon and stuff. We hardly do anything but just continually overpay our own guys and apparently hate size and scoring its getting really sickening.

Does Spo want size? His voice resonates in player acquisition. Has he been an advocate of getting bigger?

[SerialChiller]

Exactly my thoughts. Like I hear excuses on twitter and even here whatever about oh what can Riley really even do with what we have. Well how in the F does Boston somehow add KP and Jrue and before that Brogdon and stuff. We hardly do anything but just continually overpay our own guys and apparently hate size and scoring its getting really sickening.

Does Spo want size? His voice resonates in player acquisition. Has he been an advocate of getting bigger?

That is another issue that I'm pretty sure many Heat fans don't like to hear. Riley is giving Spo the roster he wants....and it's not working. I could go on and on about Spo but I know that's not popular here or anywhere he's made his name but I'm still not a big fan. He's good but not to the extent people think. But Riley ultimately created him and handed this to him so he's got to take some blame or at least be like I'm gonna get us a big like it or not play him lol.

But of course Spo wants a star like Dame or Mitchell that just didn't happen because noone likes Herro except Riley and his 30M but Spo needs to start rethinking his small ball system. Guys are getting hurt too much and it's just simply not how basketball is played. Size matters, and you can't switch everything like Lowry on Jokic in the finals under the basket and expect to win!

[Kobewade11]

That is another issue that I'm pretty sure many Heat fans don't like to hear. Riley is giving Spo the roster he wants....and it's not working. I could go on and on about Spo but I know that's not popular here or anywhere he's made his name but I'm still not a big fan. He's good but not to the extent people think. But Riley ultimately created him and handed this to him so he's got to take some blame or at least be like I'm gonna get us a big like it or not play him lol.

But of course Spo wants a star like Dame or Mitchell that just didn't happen because noone likes Herro except Riley and his 30M but Spo needs to start rethinking his small ball system. Guys are getting hurt too much and it's just simply not how basketball is played. Size matters, and you can't switch everything like Lowry on Jokic in the finals under the basket and expect to win!

Spo’s among the best in the business, I would like to see him embrace size. Philosophically we’ve been stuck trying to recreate the Heatle front courts. He was banging on the table for Jimmy in 2018 and we tried our darnedest before Minnesota pulled the rug. He was hungry for KD in 2016, he even thought he could work magic with Hayward the year after. We can’t control where FA’s choose to sign, but the point is if Spo makes it known there’s someone out there, we usually see a press to try to make it happen.

[marson]

Exactly my thoughts. Like I hear excuses on twitter and even here whatever about oh what can Riley really even do with what we have. Well how in the F does Boston somehow add KP and Jrue and before that Brogdon and stuff. We hardly do anything but just continually overpay our own guys and apparently hate size and scoring its getting really sickening.

Does Spo want size? His voice resonates in player acquisition. Has he been an advocate of getting bigger?

That is another issue that I'm pretty sure many Heat fans don't like to hear. Riley is giving Spo the roster he wants....and it's not working. I could go on and on about Spo but I know that's not popular here or anywhere he's made his name but I'm still not a big fan. He's good but not to the extent people think. But Riley ultimately created him and handed this to him so he's got to take some blame or at least be like I'm gonna get us a big like it or not play him lol.

But of course Spo wants a star like Dame or Mitchell that just didn't happen because noone likes Herro except Riley and his 30M but Spo needs to start rethinking his small ball system. Guys are getting hurt too much and it's just simply not how basketball is played. Size matters, and you can't switch everything like Lowry on Jokic in the finals under the basket and expect to win!

Spo put Myers Leonard and Bam front court starters in year 1 and somehow made it work. As long we have an undersized Center in Bam, we are never going to big team unless Bam moves to 4, and we get a Center like Lopez that can shoot 3s. We just don't have the right personnel in the last 5 years.

[SerialChiller]

Does Spo want size? His voice resonates in player acquisition. Has he been an advocate of getting bigger?

That is another issue that I'm pretty sure many Heat fans don't like to hear. Riley is giving Spo the roster he wants....and it's not working. I could go on and on about Spo but I know that's not popular here or anywhere he's made his name but I'm still not a big fan. He's good but not to the extent people think. But Riley ultimately created him and handed this to him so he's got to take some blame or at least be like I'm gonna get us a big like it or not play him lol.

But of course Spo wants a star like Dame or Mitchell that just didn't happen because noone likes Herro except Riley and his 30M but Spo needs to start rethinking his small ball system. Guys are getting hurt too much and it's just simply not how basketball is played. Size matters, and you can't switch everything like Lowry on Jokic in the finals under the basket and expect to win!

Spo put Myers Leonard and Bam front court starters in year 1 and somehow made it work. As long we have an undersized Center in Bam, we are never going to big team unless Bam moves to 4, and we get a Center like Lopez that can shoot 3s. We just don't have the right personnel in the last 5 years.

Yes our roster is completely flawed. Bam is a 4 and having him and Jimmy both out there together as non reliable volume 3pt threats makes the offense become stagnate and baskets don't come easy. That is 2 out of your almost always on the floor 5 that don't stretch the floor at all. And Bam is either DHO or inside but as a big not a drive and kick guy or even a reliable post threat to feed down low. Then Jimmy likes to post and bully guys or get to the line which is fantastic but there just isn't any inside out action going on. The defense gets it easy without having to scramble around at all they just shut down the paint! Then we only have Herro or Rozier as scorers but they are both inefficient and can't defend. They are both 6thman type guys but we have them both starting together and getting paid!

But small frontcourt or not Spo still played 2 PG linups with Lowry and VIncent in the playoffs! He's got to chill on the midgets . And he didn't exactly utilize Kelly O who was much better than Leonard, but I was actually a fan of the trade for Dipo we just got hit with bad luck there which I guess you could argue was a calculated gamble that failed but worth a shot. And I saw a stat that Lowry in his last full season here was 2nd on the team to Bam in FGA defended under the rim and it was actually somewhat close! That is insane to me! I need to look up that tweet...

My Spo gripes mainly go back to the Lebron and Wade days. He's a top type coach I won't go so far as to say he's not up there, but he's seen as like almost a goat Pop type guy now and that just doesn't jive with me. I've yet to ever hear a logical reason for why he almost never ran pick and rolls with Wade handling and Lebron with guys like Bosh/Allen/Miller/Battier/Chalmers/Lewis ect spreading the floor. That should of been an absolutely unstoppable offense! But Wade and Lebron only got to work their magic together on the fast break. Half court it was one watch the other way too much with neither an outside shooter but still standing in the corner. At least Wade was a master of making cuts off ball, Lebron didn't seem to care if he didn't have it, which maybe was why the pick and roll thing wasn't used but damn you can't not figure that out. I'm amazed Wade didn't freak out about it to be honest and tell them both give me the ball Bron set the pick and we'll score like every time.

[AirP.]

Exactly my thoughts. Like I hear excuses on twitter and even here whatever about oh what can Riley really even do with what we have. Well how in the F does Boston somehow add KP and Jrue and before that Brogdon and stuff. We hardly do anything but just continually overpay our own guys and apparently hate size and scoring its getting really sickening.

Does Spo want size? His voice resonates in player acquisition. Has he been an advocate of getting bigger?

Get him a quality big and find out? It seems to me that Spoelstra makes do with what he has. At this point in Spoelstra's career he seems to value knowing when he gives out plays he knows a player is going to do what he's supposed to do, give effort on the defensive end and get up 3pt shots, I don't think size has much to do with it other than Miami hasn't had much overall talent with bigger players but then again, those players are harder to come by.

[greg4012]

Does Spo want size? His voice resonates in player acquisition. Has he been an advocate of getting bigger?

That is another issue that I'm pretty sure many Heat fans don't like to hear. Riley is giving Spo the roster he wants....and it's not working. I could go on and on about Spo but I know that's not popular here or anywhere he's made his name but I'm still not a big fan. He's good but not to the extent people think. But Riley ultimately created him and handed this to him so he's got to take some blame or at least be like I'm gonna get us a big like it or not play him lol.

But of course Spo wants a star like Dame or Mitchell that just didn't happen because noone likes Herro except Riley and his 30M but Spo needs to start rethinking his small ball system. Guys are getting hurt too much and it's just simply not how basketball is played. Size matters, and you can't switch everything like Lowry on Jokic in the finals under the basket and expect to win!

Spo put Myers Leonard and Bam front court starters in year 1 and somehow made it work. As long we have an undersized Center in Bam, we are never going to big team unless Bam moves to 4, and we get a Center like Lopez that can shoot 3s. We just don't have the right personnel in the last 5 years.

Or we can just not have an undersized PF--which we saw Miami shift away from in real time last season. Jovic is already sizing up the frontcourt with Bam. Now we really just need a quality 3rd rotation big. Love is on his last legs.

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[greg4012]

Exactly my thoughts. Like I hear excuses on twitter and even here whatever about oh what can Riley really even do with what we have. Well how in the F does Boston somehow add KP and Jrue and before that Brogdon and stuff. We hardly do anything but just continually overpay our own guys and apparently hate size and scoring its getting really sickening.

Does Spo want size? His voice resonates in player acquisition. Has he been an advocate of getting bigger?

Get him a quality big and find out? It seems to me that Spoelstra makes do with what he has. At this point in Spoelstra's career he seems to value knowing when he gives out plays he knows a player is going to do what he's supposed to do, give effort on the defensive end and get up 3pt shots, I don't think size has much to do with it other than Miami hasn't had much overall talent with bigger players but then again, those players are harder to come by.

This is exactly it. Spo values functional athleticism and skillset above all. Size for the sake of size is low hanging fruit for fans to lament, but it's a trap.

Functional and skilled size is the most valued and in demand thing for all NBA teams.

[AirP.]

Does Spo want size? His voice resonates in player acquisition. Has he been an advocate of getting bigger?

That is another issue that I'm pretty sure many Heat fans don't like to hear. Riley is giving Spo the roster he wants....and it's not working. I could go on and on about Spo but I know that's not popular here or anywhere he's made his name but I'm still not a big fan. He's good but not to the extent people think. But Riley ultimately created him and handed this to him so he's got to take some blame or at least be like I'm gonna get us a big like it or not play him lol.

But of course Spo wants a star like Dame or Mitchell that just didn't happen because noone likes Herro except Riley and his 30M but Spo needs to start rethinking his small ball system. Guys are getting hurt too much and it's just simply not how basketball is played. Size matters, and you can't switch everything like Lowry on Jokic in the finals under the basket and expect to win!

Spo put Myers Leonard and Bam front court starters in year 1 and somehow made it work. As long we have an undersized Center in Bam, we are never going to big team unless Bam moves to 4, and we get a Center like Lopez that can shoot 3s. We just don't have the right personnel in the last 5 years.

Miami's defense is good/great, ranking among the best in the league despite often having a negative defender on the court, such as Herro, Rozier, or Robinson. Adding a big at the 5 completely changes how Miami has to play defense. Bam can be left at the 5 since that's where his instincts are at, but Miami could get bigger at PF, all a 4 has to do in Miami is shoot 3s and be solid in a switching defense, adding size wouldn't change those needs. As we've seen, an undersized 4 who plays tough to limit bigger players from getting position for easy scores near the post are also fine with Spoelstra.

[contract]

[That is another issue that I'm pretty sure many Heat fans don't like to hear. Riley is giving Spo the roster he wants....and it's not working. I could go on and on about Spo but I know that's not popular here or anywhere he's made his name but I'm still not a big fan. He's good but not to the extent people think. But Riley ultimately created him and handed this to him so he's got to take some blame or at least be like I'm gonna get us a big like it or not play him lol.

But of course Spo wants a star like Dame or Mitchell that just didn't happen because noone likes Herro except Riley and his 30M but Spo needs to start rethinking his small ball system. Guys are getting hurt too much and it's just simply not how basketball is played. Size matters, and you can't switch everything like Lowry on Jokic in the finals under the basket and expect to win!

These teams aren't big. I keep waiting for someone to notice. Spo has no problem with size ... as long as the size can move its feet on defense and spread the court on offense.

[contract]

Imagine we traded for KP to pair with Bam. I'm sick and tired of this team we need big changes. If we don't get anyone who moves the needle move Jimmy and move forward with a younger core group. It can't be the same again I'm going crazy here even thinking about another year with this roster.

Both teams on the finals have proactive GMs that aren’t lazy or scared to make moves overvaluing the bums on their roster

Exactly my thoughts. Like I hear excuses on twitter and even here whatever about oh what can Riley really even do with what we have. Well how in the F does Boston somehow add KP and Jrue and before that Brogdon and stuff. We hardly do anything but just continually overpay our own guys and apparently hate size and scoring its getting really sickening.

You want to get really sick? Porzingis makes Tyler Herro money next season.

But he wouldn't work here like he does in Boston. In Boston he's great because he doesn't have to carry the offense and the team is so deep in talent that when he goes down with an injury it's not a problem. On a 2 or 3 man team like we have, if he went down, it would pretty much be over for us.

The Celtics putting together that roster was a magic act. Our front office seems to be out of magic. All we do now is sit around hoping some star will force his way here.

[DayofMourning]

Both teams on the finals have proactive GMs that aren’t lazy or scared to make moves overvaluing the bums on their roster

Exactly my thoughts. Like I hear excuses on twitter and even here whatever about oh what can Riley really even do with what we have. Well how in the F does Boston somehow add KP and Jrue and before that Brogdon and stuff. We hardly do anything but just continually overpay our own guys and apparently hate size and scoring its getting really sickening.

You want to get really sick? Porzingis makes Tyler Herro money next season.

But he wouldn't work here like he does in Boston. In Boston he's great because he doesn't have to carry the offense and the team is so deep in talent that when he goes down with an injury it's not a problem. On a 2 or 3 man team like we have, if he went down, it would pretty much be over for us.

The Celtics putting together that roster was a magic act. Our front office seems to be out of magic. All we do now is sit around hoping some star will force his way here.

Weve missed on every star available. Wade having Jimmys ear really worked out for us. In ten years since Lebron left weve gotten Jimmy. And that was when he was considered a problem child. We couldnt get Dame when he said he only wanted to come here. At some point it becomes rather glaring on how to acquire talent and build a chip winning team.