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2024 Draft Thread - Part II

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1321 » by Kanyewest » Fri Jun 7, 2024 1:34 pm

tontoz wrote:A partially torn ACL still sounds bad to me. I have a hard time believing that it wont hurt his draft position.


Cam Whitmore's knee injury concerns were less severe and caused him to fall to 20 (along with attitude issues)
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1322 » by NatP4 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 1:44 pm

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Trade down with Portland makes a ton of sense to me. Portland gets their guy (Clingan), we take Topic at 7, let him redshirt for a year and recover, tank hard for 2025.

14th overall pick in this draft is going to be extremely valuable. McCain, Dadiet, Collier, Carter, Filipowski range.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1323 » by tontoz » Fri Jun 7, 2024 2:03 pm

Topic on OKC really doesn't make sense because SGA is pretty ball dominant.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1324 » by DCZards » Fri Jun 7, 2024 2:06 pm

NatP4 wrote:Trade down with Portland makes a ton of sense to me. Portland gets their guy (Clingan), we take Topic at 7, let him redshirt for a year and recover, tank hard for 2025.

Even before his knee injuries, Topic was considered a mediocre defender and not very athletic. I’m not drafting him at 7 if I’m the Zards.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1325 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 2:08 pm

tontoz wrote:Topic on OKC really doesn't make sense because SGA is pretty ball dominant.

I still think San Antonio grabs him at #8. His pick-and-roll vision alongside Wemby would be a deadly.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1326 » by closg00 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 2:53 pm

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Trade down with Portland makes a ton of sense to me. Portland gets their guy (Clingan), we take Topic at 7, let him redshirt for a year and recover, tank hard for 2025.

14th overall pick in this draft is going to be extremely valuable. McCain, Dadiet, Collier, Carter, Filipowski range.


This is an absolutely bonkers idea, some team fat with talent and draft assets can make this kind of gamble, but the Wizards are not going to trade down and use their top pick on the unknown of Topic after tanking.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1327 » by Frichuela » Fri Jun 7, 2024 3:03 pm

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1328 » by NatP4 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 3:26 pm

closg00 wrote:This is an absolutely bonkers idea, some team fat with talent and draft assets can make this kind of gamble, but the Wizards are not going to trade down and use their top pick on the unknown of Topic after tanking.


Nope. A team with a long term approach, not seeking instant gratification will benefit here.

Feel free to provide evidence of players not recovering from torn ACLs in the last 10 years.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1329 » by Frichuela » Fri Jun 7, 2024 3:35 pm

Monumental hyping up Risacher in this piece…do they know there is something called wingspan and hand size?

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1330 » by Frichuela » Fri Jun 7, 2024 3:43 pm

Could it be that the Wiz get to choose between Sarr, Risacher or Castle at #2? Crazy draft..

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1331 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jun 7, 2024 3:44 pm

Frichuela wrote:Monumental hyping up Risacher in this piece…do they know there is something called wingspan and hand size?

They seem to be pretty good at obfuscation... just saying.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1332 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 3:58 pm

Frichuela wrote:Monumental hyping up Risacher in this piece…do they know there is something called wingspan and hand size?

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Risacher is right handed.

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1333 » by NatP4 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 4:09 pm

Why isn’t Daron Holmes in the lottery conversation?

Holmes age 21 per36: 22.6 points 9.4 rebounds 2.9 assists 2.3 blocks 1.0 steals 2.5 turnovers 62.7% TS

Horford age 21 per 36: 17.1 points 12.3 rebounds 2.7 assists 2.4 blocks 1.0 steals 2.3 turnovers 62.4% TS

Horford measured 6’8 without shoes, 7’0.75” wingspan, 246 lbs. Holmes measured 6’8.75” without shoes, 7’1 wingspan, 236 lbs.

Horford went 3rd overall. 5 time all star, DPOY candidate.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1334 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 4:11 pm

NatP4 wrote:Why isn’t Daron Holmes in the lottery conversation?

Holmes age 21 per36: 22.6 points 9.4 rebounds 2.9 assusts 2.3 blocks 1.0 steals 2.5 turnovers 62.7% TS

Horford age 21 per 36: 17.1 points 12.3 rebounds 2.7 assists 2.4 blocks 1.0 steals 2.3 turnovers 62.4% TS

Horford measured 6’8 without shoes, 7’0.75” wingspan, 246 lbs. Holmes measured 6’8.75” without shoes, 7’1 wingspan, 236 lbs.

Horford went 3rd overall. 5 time all star, DPOY candidate.

Horford's two NCAA championships might have something to do with it.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1335 » by NatP4 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 4:17 pm

nate33 wrote:Horford's two NCAA championships might have something to do with it.


Hard to win a championship playing for Dayton.

Holmes has to be the most obvious late 1st round steal of all time. Just don’t understand why he’s not flying up the board in this draft. We’ve circled the wagons on just about everyone else in relation to the lottery: Collier, Salaun, Carter, Kel’el Ware, Cody Williams, Carrington, Edey. You name it.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1336 » by closg00 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 4:24 pm

NatP4 wrote:
closg00 wrote:This is an absolutely bonkers idea, some team fat with talent and draft assets can make this kind of gamble, but the Wizards are not going to trade down and use their top pick on the unknown of Topic after tanking.


Nope. A team with a long term approach, not seeking instant gratification will benefit here.

Feel free to provide evidence of players not recovering from torn ACLs in the last 10 years.


You don’t know in-advance if a potential team is going to benefit or not, that is your hope. In the end it comes down to which team is willing to make the gamble for their organization, not every team will have the luxury or desire to do-so, the Wizards certainly won’t be I would wager.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1337 » by Rafael122 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 4:24 pm

B/R's latest mock:

2. Sarr
26. Tyler Smith
51. Juan Nunez
Bickerstaff: who's up for kickball?!!
Ed Wood: Only if it's the no-pants variety.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1338 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 4:30 pm

NatP4 wrote:
nate33 wrote:Horford's two NCAA championships might have something to do with it.


Hard to win a championship playing for Dayton.

Holmes has to be the most obvious late 1st round steal of all time. Just don’t understand why he’s not flying up the board in this draft. We’ve circled the wagons on just about everyone else in relation to the lottery: Collier, Salaun, Carter, Kel’el Ware, Cody Williams, Carrington, Edey. You name it.

I like Holmes a lot too.

I'm just saying that when a guy posts great numbers against the toughest NCAA competition (SEC versus A10) and demonstrates that he is a winning player, it boosts his draft stock.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1339 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 4:37 pm

My dream draft scenario:

Trade Kuzma for Giddey and the HOU 2025 FRP
Trade #2 to San Antonio for #8 and the ATL 2025 FRP
Draft Holland at #8 (or Buzelis if Holland is gone)
Draft Holmes at #26

We land one of the few guys with actual star upside in Holland, while also adding two 2025 picks that are likely to be in 8-16 range. We field a lineup where Kispert is the oldest guy in the rotation, try to develop young guys, and tank for 2025:

PG Giddey/Butler
SG Poole/Kispert
SF Deni/Kispert
PF Holland/Holmes
C Bagley/Vukcevic
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1340 » by Endless Loop » Fri Jun 7, 2024 4:38 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Frichuela wrote:Monumental hyping up Risacher in this piece…do they know there is something called wingspan and hand size?

They seem to be pretty good at obfuscation... just saying.


NBA is getting to be a genuinely big business, and the draft is important enough that teams will go pretty far to hide their evaluations. Anyway, it's always been the case that teams, contractors, scouts- everybody- talk their interests, not their truth, leading up to the draft. I'd be some "independent" people get paid not to say what they really think!

This is one reason you get the "late movers", who often aren't really late movers. They can be players who were always rated highly by insiders, it's just that fan publications need to say what they really think as we get close to their final mock boards. Like Bilal last year. I'd bet that Clingan and Edy will be "fast risers" as we get closer to draft day. In the top 10, Sheppard, Holland and Buzelis might also move up?

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