**NBA Draft Discussion 2024**

[DayofMourning]

I mean...the Heat are scheduled to work him out. I think they'll get to know him

They are? Where did it say that? I couldn't look at the link due to the pay wall.

Oh I see draft express says he does. Wow that's a hell of a fall. I'm still not sure I'd like him. He was potentially the number 1 pick coming in this season, and was top 10 in this draft until like now.

#1 overall until hes put under a microscope.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[twix2500]

I am really hoping the Heat looks at Jalen Bridges

I think Heat can replace Duncan and Martin all in one

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[lastb1ckman]

Devin Carter, Providence
Isaiah Collier, USC
Jesse Edwards, West Virginia
Tristan Enaruna, Cleveland State
Sam Griffin, Wyoming
Ron Holland, G League Ignite
Keshad Johnson, Arizona
Tristen Newton, UConn
Zyon Pullin, Florida
Kel’el Ware, Indiana

Maybe a few more coming, but that list seems pretty complete for what the Heat are looking for.

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[greg4012]

They are? Where did it say that? I couldn't look at the link due to the pay wall.

Oh I see draft express says he does. Wow that's a hell of a fall. I'm still not sure I'd like him. He was potentially the number 1 pick coming in this season, and was top 10 in this draft until like now.

#1 overall until hes put under a microscope.

I'm a fan of benefiting from poor decisions of others (with that said, he's not dropping to 15).

Question: was Jaylen Brown an objectively better prospect in 2016 than Ron Holland has shown to be? If so, why?

https://www.tankathon.com/players/jaylen-brown

[lastb1ckman]

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Maybe I should shut up and let this day go by before I say the list is done.

Seems like the Heat do have what a lot of us have had in mind this draft after all.

[DayofMourning]

Oh I see draft express says he does. Wow that's a hell of a fall. I'm still not sure I'd like him. He was potentially the number 1 pick coming in this season, and was top 10 in this draft until like now.

#1 overall until hes put under a microscope.

I'm a fan of benefiting from poor decisions of others (with that said, he's not dropping to 15).

Question: was Jaylen Brown an objectively better prospect in 2016 than Ron Holland has shown to be? If so, why?

https://www.tankathon.com/players/jaylen-brown

Generalizing every other teams decisions as poor wont get far.

Tbh, I disliked JB coming out. He still cant dribble however many years later, but hes a dawg.

[greg4012]

I am really hoping the Heat looks at Jalen Bridges

I think Heat can replace Duncan and Martin all in one

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I'm digging it. Any word on his defense?

[MettaWorldPanda]

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I tend to sour quickly when an ATHLETE needs to learn how to play basketball vs a high IQ bball guy with limited athleticism.

"I dont know how to play basketball, but I can jump real high and I have a motor!"

....

Pass.

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[greg4012]

#1 overall until hes put under a microscope.

I'm a fan of benefiting from poor decisions of others (with that said, he's not dropping to 15).

Question: was Jaylen Brown an objectively better prospect in 2016 than Ron Holland has shown to be? If so, why?

https://www.tankathon.com/players/jaylen-brown

Generalizing every other teams decisions as poor wont get far.

Tbh, I disliked JB coming out. He still cant dribble however many years later, but hes a dawg.

Why won't it get far?

There are bad decisions and late round draft gems in every draft.

I would want Miami to trust their own evaluation process and not be swayed by public perception and the echo chamber it can create.

JB is a dawg. Is Holland not?

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[twix2500]

I am really hoping the Heat looks at Jalen Bridges

I think Heat can replace Duncan and Martin all in one

Watch on YouTube

I'm digging it. Any word on his defense?

Excellent he can defend 1 thru 4.

[greg4012]

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I tend to sour quickly when an ATHLETE needs to learn how to play basketball vs a high IQ bball guy with limited athleticism.

"I dont know how to play basketball, but I can jump real high and I have a motor!"

....

Pass.

Read on Twitter

We're talking about an uber athletic 2-way wing being thrust into a lead playmaking role on a completely dysfunctional G League Ignite team that has now been disbanded. He was thrust into the highest usage role on the team because he was the only player on the team that could seemingly create advantage due to his slashing. This was despite being on the same team as projected top 10 pick Matas Buzelis (a guy who's strengths are supposed to be playmaking and shooting despite the fact he did both worse than Holland), and another projected 1st rounder in Tyler Smith.

A guy who is a raw offensive player with elite athletic traits forced into a role not playing to his strengths. That would not be his NBA role, but it's encouraging that he showed progress in it. Despite this, he led the team in scoring, was 2nd on the team in rebounding (0.2 per game behind the leader--"big man" and 1st round prospect Tyler Smith trailed Holland by 1.5 rpg), led the team in steals, was 3rd in blocks (just 0.2 bpg behind the starting frontcourt players and again ahead of Tyler Smith).

I just want to look at what his role will actually be in the NBA and if he is a value pick at 15 in that capacity. I think it's a resounding yes as long as smarter people than me think his shot can be workable. Most uber athletic wing prospects aren't 3-pt snipers at 18. They develop it in the years to come.

[lastb1ckman]

Oh I see draft express says he does. Wow that's a hell of a fall. I'm still not sure I'd like him. He was potentially the number 1 pick coming in this season, and was top 10 in this draft until like now.

#1 overall until hes put under a microscope.

I'm a fan of benefiting from poor decisions of others (with that said, he's not dropping to 15).

Question: was Jaylen Brown an objectively better prospect in 2016 than Ron Holland has shown to be? If so, why?

https://www.tankathon.com/players/jaylen-brown

Tbh, its probably all mental. It can be the difference between being a Jaylen Brown and a Josh Jackson.

[DayofMourning]

I'm a fan of benefiting from poor decisions of others (with that said, he's not dropping to 15).

Question: was Jaylen Brown an objectively better prospect in 2016 than Ron Holland has shown to be? If so, why?

https://www.tankathon.com/players/jaylen-brown

Generalizing every other teams decisions as poor wont get far.

Tbh, I disliked JB coming out. He still cant dribble however many years later, but hes a dawg.

Why won't it get far?

There are bad decisions and late round draft gems in every draft.

I would want Miami to trust their own evaluation process and not be swayed by public perception and the echo chamber it can create.

Because its such a generalization. Miami good. Others dumb.

Maybe Holland is falling because hes not good at bball despite his obvious athletic gifts.

And yes, everyone misses, even on obvious choices. They also miss on unheralded talent.

However, when a guy is hyped at the start of the process and does nothing to validate that hype, then does private workouts and is suddenly "falling"...well, what does that mean? That hes going to be Jaylen Brown? The guy who didnt fall and is now literally pushing his team to a chip? Thats a lot to ask.

[greg4012]

#1 overall until hes put under a microscope.

I'm a fan of benefiting from poor decisions of others (with that said, he's not dropping to 15).

Question: was Jaylen Brown an objectively better prospect in 2016 than Ron Holland has shown to be? If so, why?

https://www.tankathon.com/players/jaylen-brown

Tbh, its probably all mental. It can be the difference between being a Jaylen Brown and a Josh Jackson.

Def agree. Gotta do the due diligence on the person

[DayofMourning]

#1 overall until hes put under a microscope.

I'm a fan of benefiting from poor decisions of others (with that said, he's not dropping to 15).

Question: was Jaylen Brown an objectively better prospect in 2016 than Ron Holland has shown to be? If so, why?

https://www.tankathon.com/players/jaylen-brown

Tbh, its probably all mental. It can be the difference between being a Jaylen Brown and a Josh Jackson.

Its all mental. What stops you and I from being billionaires. They did it, why cant we?

The same thing with prospects. I started listening to prospects interviews a few years back, so I could try and determine their functional intelligence.

You need kids with solid heads on their shoulders. They dont have to be geniuses, but they have to get IT.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'm a fan of benefiting from poor decisions of others (with that said, he's not dropping to 15).

Question: was Jaylen Brown an objectively better prospect in 2016 than Ron Holland has shown to be? If so, why?

https://www.tankathon.com/players/jaylen-brown

Tbh, its probably all mental. It can be the difference between being a Jaylen Brown and a Josh Jackson.

Its all mental. What stops you and I from being billionaires. They did it, why cant we?

The same thing with prospects. I started listening to prospects interviews a few years back, so I could try and determine their functional intelligence.

You need kids with solid heads on their shoulders. They dont have to be geniuses, but they have to get IT.

Honestly one of the big things i was looking out of Ware and he’s been passing with flying colors.

[DayofMourning]

Tbh, its probably all mental. It can be the difference between being a Jaylen Brown and a Josh Jackson.

Its all mental. What stops you and I from being billionaires. They did it, why cant we?

The same thing with prospects. I started listening to prospects interviews a few years back, so I could try and determine their functional intelligence.

You need kids with solid heads on their shoulders. They dont have to be geniuses, but they have to get IT.

Honestly one of the big things i was looking out of Ware and he’s been passing with flying colors.

Yeah, Im feeling good about him. He seems to be able to grasp his role and is able to dictate it well enough.

I hope we work him out and get a good grasp on who he is.

I love the measurables and am happy with the production. Especially at 15.

[greg4012]

Generalizing every other teams decisions as poor wont get far.

Tbh, I disliked JB coming out. He still cant dribble however many years later, but hes a dawg.

Why won't it get far?

There are bad decisions and late round draft gems in every draft.

I would want Miami to trust their own evaluation process and not be swayed by public perception and the echo chamber it can create.

Because its such a generalization. Miami good. Others dumb.

Maybe Holland is falling because hes not good at bball despite his obvious athletic gifts.

And yes, everyone misses, even on obvious choices. They also miss on unheralded talent.

However, when a guy is hyped at the start of the process and does nothing to validate that hype, then does private workouts and is suddenly "falling"...well, what does that mean? That hes going to be Jaylen Brown? The guy who didnt fall and is now literally pushing his team to a chip? Thats a lot to ask.

Ok let's get beyond hypothetical. It's about trusting your own process and not having it be informed by the public chatter that is often just strawmen.

If he's not good at bball, how did he lead his GLI team in scoring as the youngest player on the roster? How did he put up better stats as an 18 year old than virtually every player that has gone from G League to 1st round pick in the past few years?

I can't subscribe to the idea that the highest level of professional basketball operators should base their decisions off of the decisions of others. They should base their decisions off of their own due diligence process.

If you don't like the Jaylen Brown reference because it seems like a 1% outcome, then let's look at the 18 year old stats of other top wings (check out freshman year stats):

Jimmy Butler - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jimmy-butler-1.html
Kawhi Leonard - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kawhi-leonard-1.html
Paul George - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/paul-george-1.html
Jayson Tatum - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jayson-tatum-1.html
Mikal Bridges - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/mikal-bridges-1.html
Demar Derozan - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/demar-derozan-1.html
Khris Middelton - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/khris-middleton-1.html
Franz Wagner - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/franz-wagner-1.html
Andrew Wiggins - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/andrew-wiggins-1.html
OG Anunoby - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/og-anunoby-1.html
Jalen Williams - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jalen-williams-13.html

Common features in basically all of them--a bad A/TO ratio. The only one with a positive A/TO ratio was super low usage as a Fresman (Jalen Williams). Other common features with most is bad 3-pt shooting. Many with worse FT shooting than Holland, as well.

I like to operate off of available info. Virtually no uber athletic wing prospects with clear scoring talent and defensive ability are also sharpshooting playmakers at 18 years old.

Maybe his shot is more broken than all of the above. I love that the Heat are working him out to find out. If he works out well for the Heat, I could not care less what the hysteria built on hysteria dictates.

Just look at last draft, I bet Cam Whitmore will be a better NBA player than 2/3 of the players drafted before him.