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[St Knick]

I saw hints at this, but if Lakers shake it up (especially if Lebron pursues greener pastures), Anthony Davis is a player who theoretically fits excellently with what we need.... especially if we lose/move on from Mitch, iHart, or both.

PROS: Upgrade at center, maintain elite defensive capabilities (id say even improve over Mitch) while also making us MUCH more dangerous offensively at that position. AD tends to be passive as a 1st option, but is an elite and pretty efficient 2nd option next to Brunson

CONS: Davis is a *little* older than our core, but not too old. Davis is injury prone, although he did play most of this past year. Also, not sure what we'd have to give up (Mitch + Randle? + multiple picks + Deuce? other?)

[rajajackal]

the good news is next year when kp is injured for the entire first 3 rounds we can just take boston out before he recovers

[WaltFrazier]

I suspect we are not going to pick Bojan"s option (assuming we are not making a big trade before the end of the season).

I think he is not going to be a great salary filler in a trade for a star player although his contract is an expiring 19M contract. Its bad money. He is 35 and not an agile defender. Teams will charge a FRP only to dump his large contract.

We can use a combination of better contracts to serve as a filler (assuming we will respect the second tier and can aggregate contracts in a trade).

For instance, we can give Precious 7M/y, Bojan 7M/y, and Burks 5M/y.

We can also contract a good player with:
Full MLE (13M while being hard capped into the first apron - limit 179M if cap projection stays the same).
BAE (4,5M while being hard capped into the first apron - limit 179M if cap projection stays the same)
Tax MLE (5M while being hard capped into the first apron - limit 189M if cap projection stays the same)

Disagree 100%
I think we need the big contract so that we don't have to part with players we like. We saved all that draft capital, I don't think we have to worry about cap filler. We can still take back 125% salary so if we trade Mitch, Deuce, Bogs (a shade over 40M) we can take back 50M.

I do think that at some point soon the Nets are going to give in and trade Bridges. Rockets are probably the most tempting option since they can release Nets own picks allowing them to actually bottom out.

Bridges can also make it difficult saying he would only re-sign with NY and making teams hesitate to take him on.

Apparently that's what Siakam did to Toronto, his agent put the word out he wouldn't sign with ATL, didn't want certain other trades. I guess he did want Indy so Masai was stuck dealing with them without the leverage to get any young players. I wonder if Mikal would do that to scare off other teams. Of course Pascal was a pending UFA so that was different.

[nykballa2k4]

I suspect we are not going to pick Bojan"s option (assuming we are not making a big trade before the end of the season).

I think he is not going to be a great salary filler in a trade for a star player although his contract is an expiring 19M contract. Its bad money. He is 35 and not an agile defender. Teams will charge a FRP only to dump his large contract.

We can use a combination of better contracts to serve as a filler (assuming we will respect the second tier and can aggregate contracts in a trade).

For instance, we can give Precious 7M/y, Bojan 7M/y, and Burks 5M/y.

We can also contract a good player with:
Full MLE (13M while being hard capped into the first apron - limit 179M if cap projection stays the same).
BAE (4,5M while being hard capped into the first apron - limit 179M if cap projection stays the same)
Tax MLE (5M while being hard capped into the first apron - limit 189M if cap projection stays the same)

Disagree 100%
I think we need the big contract so that we don't have to part with players we like. We saved all that draft capital, I don't think we have to worry about cap filler. We can still take back 125% salary so if we trade Mitch, Deuce, Bogs (a shade over 40M) we can take back 50M.

I do think that at some point soon the Nets are going to give in and trade Bridges. Rockets are probably the most tempting option since they can release Nets own picks allowing them to actually bottom out.

Bridges can also make it difficult saying he would only re-sign with NY and making teams hesitate to take him on.

Apparently that's what Siakam did to Toronto, his agent put the word out he wouldn't sign with ATL, didn't want certain other trades. I guess he did want Indy so Masai was stuck dealing with them without the leverage to get any young players. I wonder if Mikal would do that to scare off other teams. Of course Pascal was a pending UFA so that was different.

Exactly what Bridges will be at the end of this season.

[WaltFrazier]

Disagree 100%
I think we need the big contract so that we don't have to part with players we like. We saved all that draft capital, I don't think we have to worry about cap filler. We can still take back 125% salary so if we trade Mitch, Deuce, Bogs (a shade over 40M) we can take back 50M.

I do think that at some point soon the Nets are going to give in and trade Bridges. Rockets are probably the most tempting option since they can release Nets own picks allowing them to actually bottom out.

Bridges can also make it difficult saying he would only re-sign with NY and making teams hesitate to take him on.

Apparently that's what Siakam did to Toronto, his agent put the word out he wouldn't sign with ATL, didn't want certain other trades. I guess he did want Indy so Masai was stuck dealing with them without the leverage to get any young players. I wonder if Mikal would do that to scare off other teams. Of course Pascal was a pending UFA so that was different.

Exactly what Bridges will be at the end of this season.

Yeah you're right, so this coming season you mean. I was thinking it's different, but only different because Masai failed to make the move last summer, and Pascal's camp made it tougher like I said. So yeah the hope would be Mikal would be proactive about it, like now, and motivate Marks to deal with the Knicks. Not wait too long like Masai did

[nykballa2k4]

Apparently that's what Siakam did to Toronto, his agent put the word out he wouldn't sign with ATL, didn't want certain other trades. I guess he did want Indy so Masai was stuck dealing with them without the leverage to get any young players. I wonder if Mikal would do that to scare off other teams. Of course Pascal was a pending UFA so that was different.

Exactly what Bridges will be at the end of this season.

Yeah you're right, so this coming season you mean. I was thinking it's different, but only different because Masai failed to make the move last summer, and Pascal's camp made it tougher like I said. So yeah the hope would be Mikal would be proactive about it, like now, and motivate Marks to deal with the Knicks. Not wait too long like Masai did

Now that we have Rose and the Nova Corps, I assume we are doing a lot of legal colluding.
Only more obvious thing he could do would be switch agencies to CAA then it would be over.

[KnixinSix]

I saw hints at this, but if Lakers shake it up (especially if Lebron pursues greener pastures), Anthony Davis is a player who theoretically fits excellently with what we need.... especially if we lose/move on from Mitch, iHart, or both.

PROS: Upgrade at center, maintain elite defensive capabilities (id say even improve over Mitch) while also making us MUCH more dangerous offensively at that position. AD tends to be passive as a 1st option, but is an elite and pretty efficient 2nd option next to Brunson

CONS: Davis is a *little* older than our core, but not too old. Davis is injury prone, although he did play most of this past year. Also, not sure what we'd have to give up (Mitch + Randle? + multiple picks + Deuce? other?)

I generally don't like the injury prone guys but I do love Davis as a fit here.

His fit as a guy who would get minutes at both 4 and 5 here would be phenomenal. Elite 2 way player.

[thebuzzardman]

Who would be nice MLE targets (between 5M and 13M Max) - He should be a very nice addition because we will be hard-capped into the first apron (179 if the cap stays the same) if we get him.

Candidates FA: Melton, Lowry, KCP (?), JV, Gordon Hayward, Buddy Hield, Fultz, Malik Beasley, Oubre, Garry Harris, Monte Morris, SloMo, Okoro (RFA), Caleb Martin, Jalen Smith, Derrick Jones Jr, Obi Toppin (RFA).

We can use the MLE on a trade as a filler and trade our picks for a player earning around 10M.
Under contract targets: Caruso, Olynik, Steven Adams, Bobby Ports, TJ McConnell, Josh Green, Brandon Clarke, Robert Williams, Wendell Carter, Terance Mann, Larry Nance Jr, Matisse Thybulle, Jarred Vanderbilt, Tre Jones,

Hayward, Heild and Nance Jr all kind of suck

[G_K_F]

Here's what I would do this offseason:

Make at least 1 of the 2 first round draft picks

Use Bi Annual Exception to bring over Rokas Jokubaitis. We need to **** or get off the pot on this guy. Let's see what he's got. Can't be much worse than Charlie Brown Jr.

Free agency veteran depth signings: Gordon Hayward, Dario Saric, Buddy Hield (not all)

Bring back Precious on a 1-2 year deal.

If iHart leaves - sign Jonas Valanciunas. Durable and tough player.

Sign D'Anthony Melton with MLE. If this fails, try to sign Chris Paul as backup point.

Longshot big moves: Mikal Bridges

Extreme longshot big moves: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Desmond Bane

Possible big move: Donovan Mitchell

Likely big move: Brandon Ingram (eh - only because he's always hurt)

If we trade for Ingram then I offer Mitchell Robinson, Bogdanovic, 3 firsts for Brandon Ingram and filler.

If Bogdanovic can't be combined with another player in a trade then you have to consider Robinson and DiVicenzo plus 2 firsts for Ingram. Less enthusiastic about that one.

Need to clarify - free agency depth signings are for the minimum. I don't want to pay any of those guys the MLE.

Additionally, I would look into the following role player trade targets to replace some players if they're traded or not brought back or to simply upgrade the bench: Isiah Stewart, Corey Kispert, Seth Curry, De'Andre Hunter, Trey Lyles, Sasha Vezenkov, Jose Alvarado

Young guys I would look into if their teams were interested in moving them: Jeremy Sochan, Jaden Ivey, Tari Eason, AJ Griffin, Dalen Terry, Dyson Daniels

[Knicksfan1992]

Can I interest one Buzzard in a Tobias Harris for the MLE?

[G_K_F]

Can I interest one Buzzard in a Tobias Harris for the MLE?

I know you're joking but some would say he wouldn't be bad at the MLE.

However Tobias brings zero intangibles to the table. If he's not scoring he's not offering anything else and his scoring isn't that great to begin with. He's also on the decline. Plus 0 points in a game 6 in 35+ minutes is pretty pathetic.

[Knicksfan1992]

Can I interest one Buzzard in a Tobias Harris for the MLE?

I know you're joking but some would say he wouldn't be bad at the MLE.

However Tobias brings zero intangibles to the table. If he's not scoring he's not offering anything else and his scoring isn't that great to begin with. He's also on the decline. Plus 0 points in a game 6 in 35+ minutes is pretty pathetic.

Yeah I mean he's definitely a flawed guy but as a bench scorer/shooter for 15-25 mpg I don't think he's a bad choice. I owuldn't say he has zero intangibles. He's a good rebounder and he can do some playmaking in a pinch. Yeah he's not the grimy hustle type but it helps to have "innings eaters" who have the ability to go for 30 on a given night.

The problem in Philly was that he was always compared to Jimmy and was given way too much money which led to the fans turning on him. Even in a "down year" he averaged 17ppg on a 58% TS. He's not a bad player and if you sign him for 2-3 years you likely get the last squeeze of juice out of him before he's done. He's also durable. As OG insurance for MLE money you can do way worse. He's always been ok on defense.

I think the situation just soured on him and it's hard for someone to play when your own crowd turns on you. That being said yeah that game 6 performance was pathetic... He's from the area and i'm, admittedly, a sucker for that too lol. Basically my argument would be Tobias at big money = bad... Tobias at mid money = useful depth.

I do think there are better options though.

[HarthorneWingo]

That can pass and play defense too, right? We kinda have that combination in Mitch and iHart ... but Thibs needs to unleash Mitch from 3.

Seriously, how many centers shoot from 3? Lopez, Jokic, Porzingas, Embiid, AD. Who else am I missing?

Turner?

The other thing we're missing is that we can also employ a small-ball 5 at the right time. We can't do it the whole game, but it just so happens that we have a player, OG Anunoby, who can jump to the 5 in small spurts. Sorta like Draymond. It does depend on Thibs to be willing to do this, good team ball, and good depth at the forward spots.

If we can't get that stretch 5, then the solution is to keep cheaper 5s, use the small ball guy when needed, and then spend more elsewhere. For example, against the Sixers, we have to admit our centers were not as great as Embiid. However, we slowed him enough with Mitch, took advantage of the injury, and then used the rest of our team to get the win. If Boston played against the Sixers, they would have done the same. No way they can outplay Embiid at center, but they can still outplay the Sixers at other positions.

Also, we can probably take a page from Boston, who might not have a superstar 5, but still have Kornet or Horford as backups. Crazy cause Kornet used to be one of ours, and he's made a solid career for himself.

The solution is not to chase a stretch 5 who gets his face wrecked on defense...when people talk about stretch 5s, I feel like we have to be careful and not lump guys like Vuc or Olynyk in there. I'd rather have a rim runner rather than some softy center like that. It's hella crazy that the Mavs shot 83% at the rim or something ridiculous when Gobert was off the floor.

Isn’t Kornet a free agent this summer?

[Richard4444]

I suspect we are not going to pick Bojan"s option (assuming we are not making a big trade before the end of the season).

I think he is not going to be a great salary filler in a trade for a star player although his contract is an expiring 19M contract. Its bad money. He is 35 and not an agile defender. Teams will charge a FRP only to dump his large contract.

We can use a combination of better contracts to serve as a filler (assuming we will respect the second tier and can aggregate contracts in a trade).

For instance, we can give Precious 7M/y, Bojan 7M/y, and Burks 5M/y.

We can also contract a good player with:
Full MLE (13M while being hard capped into the first apron - limit 179M if cap projection stays the same).
BAE (4,5M while being hard capped into the first apron - limit 179M if cap projection stays the same)
Tax MLE (5M while being hard capped into the first apron - limit 189M if cap projection stays the same)

Disagree 100%
I think we need the big contract so that we don't have to part with players we like. We saved all that draft capital, I don't think we have to worry about cap filler. We can still take back 125% salary so if we trade Mitch, Deuce, Bogs (a shade over 40M) we can take back 50M.

I do think that at some point soon the Nets are going to give in and trade Bridges. Rockets are probably the most tempting option since they can release Nets own picks allowing them to actually bottom out.

Bridges can also make it difficult saying he would only re-sign with NY and making teams hesitate to take him on.

No. We can't. If we use the 125% trade rule, we get hard-capped at 179M for all season.

[BKlutch]

the good news is next year when kp is injured for the entire first 3 rounds we can just take boston out before he recovers

You mean they may not plan it out as well as this year, when KP rested for 38 days prior to the finals? What they did was superb for them, but in this day and age, if we claimed it was done to keep him in shape for the finals, I'm sure Boston would just say we cheated by claiming to have so many injuries in the playoffs. LOL

[nykballa2k4]

I suspect we are not going to pick Bojan"s option (assuming we are not making a big trade before the end of the season).

I think he is not going to be a great salary filler in a trade for a star player although his contract is an expiring 19M contract. Its bad money. He is 35 and not an agile defender. Teams will charge a FRP only to dump his large contract.

We can use a combination of better contracts to serve as a filler (assuming we will respect the second tier and can aggregate contracts in a trade).

For instance, we can give Precious 7M/y, Bojan 7M/y, and Burks 5M/y.

We can also contract a good player with:
Full MLE (13M while being hard capped into the first apron - limit 179M if cap projection stays the same).
BAE (4,5M while being hard capped into the first apron - limit 179M if cap projection stays the same)
Tax MLE (5M while being hard capped into the first apron - limit 189M if cap projection stays the same)

Disagree 100%
I think we need the big contract so that we don't have to part with players we like. We saved all that draft capital, I don't think we have to worry about cap filler. We can still take back 125% salary so if we trade Mitch, Deuce, Bogs (a shade over 40M) we can take back 50M.

I do think that at some point soon the Nets are going to give in and trade Bridges. Rockets are probably the most tempting option since they can release Nets own picks allowing them to actually bottom out.

Bridges can also make it difficult saying he would only re-sign with NY and making teams hesitate to take him on.

No. We can't. If we use the 125% trade rule, we get hard-capped at 179M for all season.

2nd apron at 189 is what I am most fearful of. but we should be able to easily avoid that.

[Richard4444]

Disagree 100%
I think we need the big contract so that we don't have to part with players we like. We saved all that draft capital, I don't think we have to worry about cap filler. We can still take back 125% salary so if we trade Mitch, Deuce, Bogs (a shade over 40M) we can take back 50M.

I do think that at some point soon the Nets are going to give in and trade Bridges. Rockets are probably the most tempting option since they can release Nets own picks allowing them to actually bottom out.

Bridges can also make it difficult saying he would only re-sign with NY and making teams hesitate to take him on.

No. We can't. If we use the 125% trade rule, we get hard-capped at 179M for all season.

2nd apron at 189 is what I am most fearful of. but we should be able to easily avoid that.

I mean using the 125% trade rule in a trade (taking 125% salary of the outgoing salary) will trigger the hard cap at the first apron.

We can not start the season with a 177M payroll. Then trade Bojan plus Mitch, Sims, and Deuce (40M total) to land a 50M player. Because we would be stuck at the 179M apron if we take more salary than we give. In this trade scenario, our payroll would rise to 187M, which is not allowed.

[newyorker4ever]

there seems to be assumption that ihart is coming back. okc needs a center, ihart is best available and they can offer more than knicks. ihart has hinted that he will go with the best offer so the most realistic assumption is that ihart is gone. so center then moves up as the top off season need especially given Mitch’s health history. i think knicks priorities will be to sign OG and pursue a strong D center woth some O game. Claxton? then maybe package mitch, bogeys contract and picks for a 1-2 like Dejonte Murray.

OKC won’t go after him because they will need to pay their guys soon and can’t have Ihart’s eating up cap space. They’re a small market team that won’t go above any tax apron

THIS!

Also, a team like OKC would offer around $20M, while the KNICKS can offer around $17M. It's doubtful iHart would uproot his life and leave the big stage in NYC over $3 million.

My guess is he's staying.

That would be $12 million he's leaving on the table to stay with the Knicks and this is a guy that this would be his first chance to cash in on a big contract.

[3toheadmelo]

[WargamesX]

OKC won’t go after him because they will need to pay their guys soon and can’t have Ihart’s eating up cap space. They’re a small market team that won’t go above any tax apron

THIS!

Also, a team like OKC would offer around $20M, while the KNICKS can offer around $17M. It's doubtful iHart would uproot his life and leave the big stage in NYC over $3 million.

My guess is he's staying.

That would be $12 million he's leaving on the table to stay with the Knicks and this is a guy that this would be his first chance to cash in on a big contract.

This is pure speculation but with the cap going up, I could see early bird rights players like IHart being willing to leave money on the table for player option contracts that give their current teams full bird rights.

SO

The smarter contract would be say 4 years with a player option after the second year with the Knicks (because the rules won’t allow the Knicks to do a player option after year 1) and he can either:

1) sign a new longer contract under the new cap rules
2) become a UFA in a free agency with a 10% increase from the year prior
3) not opt out (maybe due to injury) and have 2 more years or guaranteed contract.

If IHart leaves sure he can get a 20 mil player option from his new team but full bird rights will not kick in until year 3. The new team won’t have his full bird rights to pay him while going over the cap until later in the contract. Also teams like OKC while flush in money now would be wise to not give IHart that deal because similar to Mitch’s contract the real value comes in having a starting center under contract for reasonable money.

We’re seeing something similar occur with both Brunson and Randle who are getting more while not killing the cap because they took similar deals.