2024 NBA Finals: The Stars Match-up (Doncic/Irving vs Tatum/Brown)

[dygaction]

Game 1:

Irving: 12 pts (6/19 FG, 0/5 3FG), 3 rebs, 2 asts, 2 stls
Doncic: 30 pts (12/26 FG, 4/12 3FG), 10 rebs, 1 ast, 2 stls

Brown: 22 pts (7/12 FG, 2/6 3FG), 5 rebs, 2 asts, 3 stls, 3 blks
Tatum: 16 pts (6/16 FG, 3/7 3FG), 11 rebs, 5 ast

So Tatum was mediocre and Brown was good but didn’t go nuts.

That’s a bad sign for the Mavs IMO.

Luka took 26 shots, Tatum/Brown took 28.

Celtics duo 38 pts on 28 shots.
Mavs 42 pts on 44 shots.

If The Mavs don’t have a lopsided scoring balance this series in this stars matchup they got know chance.


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Luka averaged 22.3 FGA in this playoffs so 26 is normal. It is most teammates are first time and overwhelmed in the Finals that caused the problem. Besides Luka, the starters combined 1/10 on mostly wide open 3s, and Kyrie struggled shooting.

[durden_tyler]

Game 1:

Irving: 12 pts (6/19 FG, 0/5 3FG), 3 rebs, 2 asts, 2 stls
Doncic: 30 pts (12/26 FG, 4/12 3FG), 10 rebs, 1 ast, 2 stls

Brown: 22 pts (7/12 FG, 2/6 3FG), 5 rebs, 2 asts, 3 stls, 3 blks
Tatum: 16 pts (6/16 FG, 3/7 3FG), 11 rebs, 5 ast

So Tatum was mediocre and Brown was good but didn’t go nuts.

That’s a bad sign for the Mavs IMO.

Luka took 26 shots, Tatum/Brown took 28.

Celtics duo 38 pts on 28 shots.
Mavs 42 pts on 44 shots.

If The Mavs don’t have a lopsided scoring balance this series in this stars matchup they got know chance.


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Luka averaged 22.3 FGA in this playoffs so 26 is normal. It is most teammates are first time and overwhelmed in the Finals that caused the problem. Besides Luka, the starters combined 1/10 on mostly wide open 3s, and Kyrie struggled shooting.

Yes quite easy to see that Luka got his numbers in Game 1 and will continue to get it. Heck, Luka could drop 50 the next game but we're still not sure if that's enough to beat this Celtics team.

[dygaction]

So Tatum was mediocre and Brown was good but didn’t go nuts.

That’s a bad sign for the Mavs IMO.

Luka took 26 shots, Tatum/Brown took 28.

Celtics duo 38 pts on 28 shots.
Mavs 42 pts on 44 shots.

If The Mavs don’t have a lopsided scoring balance this series in this stars matchup they got know chance.


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Luka averaged 22.3 FGA in this playoffs so 26 is normal. It is most teammates are first time and overwhelmed in the Finals that caused the problem. Besides Luka, the starters combined 1/10 on mostly wide open 3s, and Kyrie struggled shooting.

Yes quite easy to see that Luka got his numbers in Game 1 and will continue to get it. Heck, Luka could drop 50 the next game but we're still not sure if that's enough to beat this Celtics team.

Have to hope Kyrie breaks his Celtics curse and be in superstar form to fill in the huge talent gap from 3-6. Not much Mavs can do if Porzingis is in god mode. That's when you have a team that can afford the luxury to rest a max player until Finals.

[dans1230]

So Tatum was mediocre and Brown was good but didn’t go nuts.

That’s a bad sign for the Mavs IMO.

Luka took 26 shots, Tatum/Brown took 28.

Celtics duo 38 pts on 28 shots.
Mavs 42 pts on 44 shots.

If The Mavs don’t have a lopsided scoring balance this series in this stars matchup they got know chance.


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Luka averaged 22.3 FGA in this playoffs so 26 is normal. It is most teammates are first time and overwhelmed in the Finals that caused the problem. Besides Luka, the starters combined 1/10 on mostly wide open 3s, and Kyrie struggled shooting.

Yes quite easy to see that Luka got his numbers in Game 1 and will continue to get it. Heck, Luka could drop 50 the next game but we're still not sure if that's enough to beat this Celtics team.

Celtics defense might also have something to do with the poor shooting of the Mavs supporting cast along with the "overwhelmed" teammates. I think Mazzulla would be fine if Luka took 40 shots if the Celtics can hold him to 1 assist.

[dygaction]

Luka averaged 22.3 FGA in this playoffs so 26 is normal. It is most teammates are first time and overwhelmed in the Finals that caused the problem. Besides Luka, the starters combined 1/10 on mostly wide open 3s, and Kyrie struggled shooting.

Yes quite easy to see that Luka got his numbers in Game 1 and will continue to get it. Heck, Luka could drop 50 the next game but we're still not sure if that's enough to beat this Celtics team.

Celtics defense might also have something to do with the poor shooting of the Mavs supporting cast along with the "overwhelmed" teammates. I think Mazzulla would be fine if Luka took 40 shots if the Celtics can hold him to 1 assist.

Of course defense has something to do with it and going from 9 assists per game down to 4 can be game changing. It is as unrealistic to expect limiting Luka to 1assist to want KP beating 48 min like what he did in the first quarter

[165bows]

Yes quite easy to see that Luka got his numbers in Game 1 and will continue to get it. Heck, Luka could drop 50 the next game but we're still not sure if that's enough to beat this Celtics team.

Celtics defense might also have something to do with the poor shooting of the Mavs supporting cast along with the "overwhelmed" teammates. I think Mazzulla would be fine if Luka took 40 shots if the Celtics can hold him to 1 assist.

Of course defense has something to do with it and going from 9 assists per game down to 4 can be game changing. It is as unrealistic to expect limiting Luka to 1assist to want KP beating 48 min like what he did in the first quarter

It’s not like Porzingis was wildly more efficient than normal.

Dallas’ problem was that they just got absolutely smothered by Boston’s defense.

[Darth Celtic]

This one can be argued either way, unlike the role player thread. Luke is the best player because of his offense game and gravity. No doubt there. But I mean Tatum and Brown are such good all round two way players they aren't miles behind. Kyrie is because he is a great skilled offensive player with do d and doesn't control the game like Luka does. I'll always take JB and jt over him to win. Kyrie if it's an all star game with no d.

So, overall slight edge to Mavs.

[dygaction]

Celtics defense might also have something to do with the poor shooting of the Mavs supporting cast along with the "overwhelmed" teammates. I think Mazzulla would be fine if Luka took 40 shots if the Celtics can hold him to 1 assist.

Of course defense has something to do with it and going from 9 assists per game down to 4 can be game changing. It is as unrealistic to expect limiting Luka to 1assist to want KP beating 48 min like what he did in the first quarter

It’s not like Porzingis was wildly more efficient than normal.

Dallas’ problem was that they just got absolutely smothered by Boston’s defense.

He was wildly more efficient than normal, higher fg%, 3pt%, and scored 20 points in 20 min... Kidd needs to put bigger body on him, DJJ/Hardy/Green being switched on are not going to work. They might have used 2021 and before videos to see how Reggie Jackson defended him.

[brackdan70]

Of course defense has something to do with it and going from 9 assists per game down to 4 can be game changing. It is as unrealistic to expect limiting Luka to 1assist to want KP beating 48 min like what he did in the first quarter

It’s not like Porzingis was wildly more efficient than normal.

Dallas’ problem was that they just got absolutely smothered by Boston’s defense.

He was wildly more efficient than normal, higher fg%, 3pt%, and scored 20 points in 20 min... Kidd needs to put bigger body on him, DJJ/Hardy/Green being switched on are not going to work. They might have used 2021 and before videos to see how Reggie Jackson defended him.

Not wildly more efficient. He was 8/13 and 2-4 20/6/3 in 21 minutes.
Reg season he is 7/13 and 2/5 over 29 minutes. 20/7/2. Basically if he missed a 2, played a few more minutes and missed a 3 and got a rebound, he is right on his reg season average.

Dudes a good player. This was an above average game but not an aberration.

[165bows]

Of course defense has something to do with it and going from 9 assists per game down to 4 can be game changing. It is as unrealistic to expect limiting Luka to 1assist to want KP beating 48 min like what he did in the first quarter

It’s not like Porzingis was wildly more efficient than normal.

Dallas’ problem was that they just got absolutely smothered by Boston’s defense.

He was wildly more efficient than normal, higher fg%, 3pt%, and scored 20 points in 20 min... Kidd needs to put bigger body on him, DJJ/Hardy/Green being switched on are not going to work. They might have used 2021 and before videos to see how Reggie Jackson defended him.

He averages 20.1 ppg on the season with a .647TS%. Last night he scored 20 with a .720TS%.

He was like one missed shot more efficient than normal.

[hugepatsfan]

Celtics shot 38% from 3 last night on 42 attempts. All the shots were from the top 8 players in their rotation.

Those 8 players all took at least 4.0 3 point attempts each per game. They shot a combined 39.3% on those shots. Their shooting percentage and volume last night is about as close to their season averages as you could get. Any attempt to write that off as a hot shooting night would be silly. Dallas should go into games expecting that type of shooting every night.

[dygaction]

It’s not like Porzingis was wildly more efficient than normal.

Dallas’ problem was that they just got absolutely smothered by Boston’s defense.

He was wildly more efficient than normal, higher fg%, 3pt%, and scored 20 points in 20 min... Kidd needs to put bigger body on him, DJJ/Hardy/Green being switched on are not going to work. They might have used 2021 and before videos to see how Reggie Jackson defended him.

Not wildly more efficient. He was 8/13 and 2-4 20/6/3 in 21 minutes.
Reg season he is 7/13 and 2/5 over 29 minutes. 20/7/2. Basically if he missed a 2, played a few more minutes and missed a 3 and got a rebound, he is right on his reg season average.

Dudes a good player. This was an above average game but not an aberration.

I don't know what we are arguing about. He is a Max player, and he is not overpaid, no argument about that.
but getting 20 points at 53/50 shooting in 20 min. He needed 50% more time to get the similar output normally. That's the efficient part. Because that leaves 28 min for other players to contribute.

[dygaction]

It’s not like Porzingis was wildly more efficient than normal.

Dallas’ problem was that they just got absolutely smothered by Boston’s defense.

He was wildly more efficient than normal, higher fg%, 3pt%, and scored 20 points in 20 min... Kidd needs to put bigger body on him, DJJ/Hardy/Green being switched on are not going to work. They might have used 2021 and before videos to see how Reggie Jackson defended him.

He averages 20.1 ppg on the season with a .647TS%. Last night he scored 20 with a .720TS%.

He was like one missed shot more efficient than normal.

in 20 min... that's the efficient part. It would be very different if he did the same in 35 min.

[brackdan70]

He was wildly more efficient than normal, higher fg%, 3pt%, and scored 20 points in 20 min... Kidd needs to put bigger body on him, DJJ/Hardy/Green being switched on are not going to work. They might have used 2021 and before videos to see how Reggie Jackson defended him.

He averages 20.1 ppg on the season with a .647TS%. Last night he scored 20 with a .720TS%.

He was like one missed shot more efficient than normal.

in 20 min... that's the efficient part. It would be very different if he did the same in 35 min.

21 minutes last night vs 29 minutes regular season ithe difference I basically a another shot that he misses. He was great but we are trying to point out that this is not unheard of him.

[pac213up]

Both pairs can score, only one can defend. Defense continues to be undervalued by fans. Watching Joe scheme offensively to exploit Luka over and over was fun.

[Optms]

Don Luka held to 1 assist.

That was all Celtics. Completely shut down his options. And I was laughed at when I said the Wolves didn't have the best defense.

Jaylen Brown is also the alpha on the Celtics.

[dygaction]

If Kyrie does not break out the next game, the stars match up would be:
Luka/Kyrie vs. Tatum/White/Porzingis vs. Brown/Holiday/Horford

Wondering what Brown was thinking seeing all starters were subbed out but Mazzulla decided to let Tatum stay much longer in the 4th quarter.

[165bows]

He was wildly more efficient than normal, higher fg%, 3pt%, and scored 20 points in 20 min... Kidd needs to put bigger body on him, DJJ/Hardy/Green being switched on are not going to work. They might have used 2021 and before videos to see how Reggie Jackson defended him.

He averages 20.1 ppg on the season with a .647TS%. Last night he scored 20 with a .720TS%.

He was like one missed shot more efficient than normal.

in 20 min... that's the efficient part. It would be very different if he did the same in 35 min.

That’s scoring volume or rate not efficiency.

[165bows]

If Kyrie does not break out the next game, the stars match up would be:
Luka/Kyrie vs. Tatum/White/Porzingis vs. Brown/Holiday/Horford

Wondering what Brown was thinking seeing all starters were subbed out but Mazzulla decided to let Tatum stay much longer in the 4th quarter.

Tatum always plays more minutes than Brown.

[durden_tyler]

Don Luka held to 1 assist.

That was all Celtics. Completely shut down his options. And I was laughed at when I said the Wolves didn't have the best defense.

Jaylen Brown is also the alpha on the Celtics.

i don’t know why fans (particularly RealGM people) are too worried about the “who’s the alpha” narrative.

It’s a good problem to have if you are having a discussion about it, it only means a team has multiple potential alphas at certain points of the game and/or series and that’s okay.

As seen in Game 1, Porzingis a capable alpha for stretches. Won’t be surprised to see Tatum be the next to step up scoring-wise (the only way to please RealGM apparently. LOL)


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