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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#21 » by minimus » Sat Jun 8, 2024 6:30 am

I would love to get Fontecchio, but it is not realistic.

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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#22 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Sat Jun 8, 2024 10:04 am

Considering how tight is our situation, i would go for Hayes or Dunn. Dunn is not that far from Morris ( good defender, good passing) but cost much less.
And i would probably make an offer for Fournier as well. He is one of the best mate of Rudy and can bring scoring from the bench.
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#23 » by BlacJacMac » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:25 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
Read on Twitter

Sure we need shooting but how would we pay him??


The tweet mentions him possibly being available for the minimum.
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#24 » by moss_is_1 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:31 pm

minimus wrote:I would love to get Fontecchio, but it is not realistic.


Also a guy I'd love to get.
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#25 » by shangrila » Sun Jun 9, 2024 11:35 am

BlacJacMac wrote:
Read on Twitter

I don't see it.

Finch doesn't play anyone that doesn't play defence, TBJ being a prime example. Hield is known as a poor defender so I can't see him getting minutes
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#26 » by shrink » Sun Jun 9, 2024 1:34 pm

Hield’s last contract was 4 years, $106. Last year IND didn’t extend him, trade him to PHI, and PHI didn’t extend him either. The indications are there that he could see a decline in his next deal, and I know the market for middle class salaries will shrink a little more under the new CBA, but I have a hard time seeing him accept a vet min deal at age “31.”

This probably announces the official start of “See random free agents linked to Minnesota!” season, as their agent starts trying to get his client’s name out there, and see if he can trick teams to up their offers to outbid imaginary competition. This time it may have backfired on him a little, when Sidery heard Hield’s name floating around and knew Minnesota has severe salary restrictions, and included the words that no agent wants to hear .. “veteran minimum.” :lol:
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#27 » by Colbinii » Sun Jun 9, 2024 3:21 pm

shangrila wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
Read on Twitter

I don't see it.

Finch doesn't play anyone that doesn't play defence, TBJ being a prime example. Hield is known as a poor defender so I can't see him getting minutes


LOL Hield is far too good for the minimum. He would definitely see play for us.
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#28 » by m2002brian » Sun Jun 9, 2024 3:23 pm

shangrila wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
Read on Twitter

I don't see it.

Finch doesn't play anyone that doesn't play defence, TBJ being a prime example. Hield is known as a poor defender so I can't see him getting minutes


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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#29 » by shangrila » Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:52 pm

m2002brian wrote:
shangrila wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
Read on Twitter

I don't see it.

Finch doesn't play anyone that doesn't play defence, TBJ being a prime example. Hield is known as a poor defender so I can't see him getting minutes


Naz Reid

Yeah, he's not a poor defender
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#30 » by shangrila » Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:53 pm

Colbinii wrote:
shangrila wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
Read on Twitter

I don't see it.

Finch doesn't play anyone that doesn't play defence, TBJ being a prime example. Hield is known as a poor defender so I can't see him getting minutes


LOL Hield is far too good for the minimum. He would definitely see play for us.

Whatever you say.
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#31 » by shangrila » Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:55 pm

shrink wrote:Hield’s last contract was 4 years, $106. Last year IND didn’t extend him, trade him to PHI, and PHI didn’t extend him either. The indications are there that he could see a decline in his next deal, and I know the market for middle class salaries will shrink a little more under the new CBA, but I have a hard time seeing him accept a vet min deal at age “31.”

This probably announces the official start of “See random free agents linked to Minnesota!” season, as their agent starts trying to get his client’s name out there, and see if he can trick teams to up their offers to outbid imaginary competition. This time it may have backfired on him a little, when Sidery heard Hield’s name floating around and knew Minnesota has severe salary restrictions, and included the words that no agent wants to hear .. “veteran minimum.” :lol:

I think any FA that's linked to "contenders" will have our name thrown in their after the season we had. Regardless of whether there's interest from either actual party.

Well, unless it's a big. I assume nobody is dumb enough to speculate that we're signing more 7 footers.
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#32 » by Klomp » Sun Jun 9, 2024 7:54 pm

shangrila wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
Read on Twitter

I don't see it.

Finch doesn't play anyone that doesn't play defence, TBJ being a prime example. Hield is known as a poor defender so I can't see him getting minutes

D'Angelo Russell, Malik Beasley
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#33 » by shangrila » Mon Jun 10, 2024 8:27 am

Klomp wrote:
shangrila wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
Read on Twitter

I don't see it.

Finch doesn't play anyone that doesn't play defence, TBJ being a prime example. Hield is known as a poor defender so I can't see him getting minutes

D'Angelo Russell, Malik Beasley

Were they on the roster before or after this most recent season when we established ourselves as a defence first team?
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#34 » by minimus » Mon Jun 10, 2024 9:31 am

shangrila wrote:
Klomp wrote:
shangrila wrote:I don't see it.

Finch doesn't play anyone that doesn't play defence, TBJ being a prime example. Hield is known as a poor defender so I can't see him getting minutes

D'Angelo Russell, Malik Beasley

Were they on the roster before or after this most recent season when we established ourselves as a defence first team?


I am pretty sure they were on the roster before when we established ourselves as a offense first team in January 2022. Cant find exact stat, but trust me, we were there.
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#35 » by shangrila » Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:53 am

minimus wrote:
shangrila wrote:
Klomp wrote:D'Angelo Russell, Malik Beasley

Were they on the roster before or after this most recent season when we established ourselves as a defence first team?


I am pretty sure they were on the roster before when we established ourselves as a offense first team in January 2022. Cant find exact stat, but trust me, we were there.

Well then, I guess my point still stands.

Unless Klomp feels like elaborating?
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#36 » by Klomp » Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:23 pm

shangrila wrote:
minimus wrote:
shangrila wrote:Were they on the roster before or after this most recent season when we established ourselves as a defence first team?


I am pretty sure they were on the roster before when we established ourselves as a offense first team in January 2022. Cant find exact stat, but trust me, we were there.

Well then, I guess my point still stands.

Unless Klomp feels like elaborating?

Well that wasn't said in the original post. All I was going off of was "Finch doesn't play anyone that doesn't play defence".
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#37 » by KATKlownFeet » Mon Jun 10, 2024 8:27 pm

younggunsmn wrote:The 2 guys we signed last summer couldn't (and shouldn't have) cracked the rotation, so I'm not optimistic.
That said, 25% chance Kyle is back for vet min, 5% chance Morris back for vet min, 50% Jmac is back for vet minimum.

We desperately need another guard who can create his own shot for the bench, and that's a tall order for what we are able to pay.
Scrap heap young guys with a little bit of potential still left like Killian Hayes wouldn't be the worst thing.

This is where TC really needs to earn that fat salary we are giving him.


I put some blame on Finch. He has had a hard time integrating bench guys even when those same bench guys had played decently on other teams. That's why I don't even care who we sign as a bench player as they are likely to underperform here. Yeah, we got some sticky players that don't pass to everyone, but Finch has to take leadership on that. I'm in the minority, but Finch's inability to get bench players going, not resting guys enough (which go hand in hand) and failure to adjust during games, makes me wish we had a better coach. Yeah, Finch is still one of the better coaches the Wolves have had, but I don't think he's a great coach (just a good one) and why I preferred Nick Nurse and Budenholzer, who both won titles.
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#38 » by minimus » Mon Jun 10, 2024 8:34 pm

KATKlownFeet wrote:
younggunsmn wrote:The 2 guys we signed last summer couldn't (and shouldn't have) cracked the rotation, so I'm not optimistic.
That said, 25% chance Kyle is back for vet min, 5% chance Morris back for vet min, 50% Jmac is back for vet minimum.

We desperately need another guard who can create his own shot for the bench, and that's a tall order for what we are able to pay.
Scrap heap young guys with a little bit of potential still left like Killian Hayes wouldn't be the worst thing.

This is where TC really needs to earn that fat salary we are giving him.


I put some blame on Finch. He has had a hard time integrating bench guys even when those same bench guys had played decently on other teams. That's why I don't even care who we sign as a bench player as they are likely to underperform here. Yeah, we got some sticky players that don't pass to everyone, but Finch has to take leadership on that. I'm in the minority, but Finch's inability to get bench players going, not resting guys enough (which go hand in hand) and failure to adjust during games, makes me wish we had a better coach. Yeah, Finch is still one of the better coaches the Wolves have had, but I don't think he's a great coach (just a good one) and why I preferred Nick Nurse and Budenholzer, who both won titles.


Finch has been doing great job with bench players: Reid, Vando, Beasley, even Nowell before. Kyle Anderson, NAW. They all contributed as bench players. Yes, Finch sometimes outsmart himself with by running some weird combinations, but he is by far the best coach that is available right now.

P.S. It is funny because I saw multiple TOR fans saying that Nurse was riding same guys, even more than Thibs has been doing.
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#39 » by KATKlownFeet » Mon Jun 10, 2024 8:34 pm

KATKlownFeet wrote:
younggunsmn wrote:The 2 guys we signed last summer couldn't (and shouldn't have) cracked the rotation, so I'm not optimistic.
That said, 25% chance Kyle is back for vet min, 5% chance Morris back for vet min, 50% Jmac is back for vet minimum.

We desperately need another guard who can create his own shot for the bench, and that's a tall order for what we are able to pay.
Scrap heap young guys with a little bit of potential still left like Killian Hayes wouldn't be the worst thing.

This is where TC really needs to earn that fat salary we are giving him.


I put some blame on Finch. He has had a hard time integrating bench guys even when those same bench guys had played decently on other teams. That's why I don't even care who we sign as a bench player as they are likely to underperform here. Yeah, we got some sticky players that don't pass to everyone, but Finch has to take leadership on that. I'm in the minority, but Finch's inability to get bench players going, not resting guys enough (which go hand in hand) and failure to adjust during games, makes me wish we had a better coach. Yeah, Finch is still one of the better coaches the Wolves have had, but I don't think he's a great coach (just a good one) and why I preferred Nick Nurse and Budenholzer, who both won titles.

I think NAW was a semi-successful integration by Finch, because his calling card is defense. So I agree that someone like Killian Hayes who is a pretty good defender but a work-in-progress on offense might work out better than more offensive orientated bench players like Shake, Brown, Morris, Beasley and Forbes
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Re: 2024 Free Agency 

Post#40 » by KATKlownFeet » Mon Jun 10, 2024 8:38 pm

minimus wrote:
KATKlownFeet wrote:
younggunsmn wrote:The 2 guys we signed last summer couldn't (and shouldn't have) cracked the rotation, so I'm not optimistic.
That said, 25% chance Kyle is back for vet min, 5% chance Morris back for vet min, 50% Jmac is back for vet minimum.

We desperately need another guard who can create his own shot for the bench, and that's a tall order for what we are able to pay.
Scrap heap young guys with a little bit of potential still left like Killian Hayes wouldn't be the worst thing.

This is where TC really needs to earn that fat salary we are giving him.


I put some blame on Finch. He has had a hard time integrating bench guys even when those same bench guys had played decently on other teams. That's why I don't even care who we sign as a bench player as they are likely to underperform here. Yeah, we got some sticky players that don't pass to everyone, but Finch has to take leadership on that. I'm in the minority, but Finch's inability to get bench players going, not resting guys enough (which go hand in hand) and failure to adjust during games, makes me wish we had a better coach. Yeah, Finch is still one of the better coaches the Wolves have had, but I don't think he's a great coach (just a good one) and why I preferred Nick Nurse and Budenholzer, who both won titles.


Finch has been doing great job with bench players: Reid, Vando, Beasley, even Nowell before. Kyle Anderson, NAW. They all contributed as bench players. Yes, Finch sometimes outsmart himself with by running some weird combinations, but he is by far the best coach that is available right now.

P.S. It is funny because I saw multiple TOR fans saying that Nurse was riding same guys, even more than Thibs has been doing.


I think the players you mentioned played much better as starters than they did as bench players. Reid didn't break out until he was a starter, Beasley played well as starter then sucked on bench, Kyle started. Its easier for guys who play with starters to integrate into offense. I really hated the way Finch used Shake, Brown and Morris last year.

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