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Post#141 » by kg01 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 3:23 am

I can't wait for his answer.

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Post#142 » by King Ken » Sat Jun 8, 2024 12:16 pm

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riiiiight. Imagine what Embiid looked like at 18 y/o or Giannis :lol: I bet if you were scouting them you'd have found them awful too. Good thing teams aren't drafting these prospects for the players they are at 18 y/o but for the players they'll be from age 24-34

I reviewed both at 18 and both had much higher floors than Sarr. If Giannis worked out with more teams than the Hawks, he would have been drafted 1st overall


sure you did. What about Embiid's 11-8-1 freshmen season made you think he had a higher floor? Remember, college Embiid and the Embiid we saw three seasons later as a 22 y/o rookie were not anywhere near the same player. He didn't shoot threes and he was a poor FT shooter as well. I'd love to read your evaluation of him prior to the 2014 draft

Giannis was a complete mystery to teams. I'm guessing you barely knew who he was. Me thinks you're full of it and using revisionist history to try and justify you being low on Sarr. Giannis played in a garbage Greek league and put up 11-5-1. While he had good length and athleticism he was extremely skinny and raw. Why would you view a shorter and just as raw Giannis as having a higher floor than Sarr? Especially when Sarr has had more international success?

Both Giannis and Embiid needed years of development to become the great players they were. In both instances they were extremely gifted physically like Sarr. Neither showed as much or more at 18 y/o than Sarr has. Artificially limiting Sarr and his potential would have been like doing the same to 19 y/o Giannis and Embiid. It seems very arbitrary. I'm not suggesting he'll be as good as either, just that he at least has the potential to be.

I don't know how you can claim to understand Basketball and not know what the hell you are talking about. Everyone who watched Embiid knew he was easily the best prospect in the draft. Easily. He just was injury prone, needed to grow into his frame and then obviously got injured in the process which is why he fell from 1st overall anyway.

The gap is so damn massive between Embiid and Sarr offensively as prospects, it's like I know you don't watch Basketball. Sarr is worse on offense as a prospect than Marquese Chriss. I don't know how you can't see that this kid is bad offensively and he doesn't have a position on offense. He's a big wing but his dribbling isn't NBA ready yet. Shooting isn't big wing ready. His only NBA ready skill is scoring in transition which isn't even important unless he has half court skills. He terrible as a big man on both ends so that limits him. While he does show promise defensively without question, you really gotta have something in the half court that can keep you on the floor. He doesn't right now.

You can sell his potential but he's a lot further away than even someone raw last year like Bilal Coulibaly just due to the fact that at least Bilal had a NBA ready dribble drive. At least he had functional handles. Right now, I don't see how Sarr can even function outside of the Gleague. He's just a total liability on offense and defensively, his lack of physicality does impact him on post ups and paint protection. I see so much wrong in his game day 1. I see the potential but I saw enormous potential in Jonathan Bender and saw some potential in Marquese Chriss. It's not easy to play in the NBA, especially as a tweener. Other tweeners who made it like Jalen Johnson had two years of Gleague and being out of the rotation. That's a lot of development man.

Giannis was a freak of nature. He only worked out with one team. That dumbass franchise decided to fire their HC who was there in the process of Giannis and told his new team about him and lol! Giannis tape always was very impressive even if he was unpolished. I don't see the comparison. Giannis even then had generational traits. He had MJ like hands. He had insane speed and body control for someone that never touched a weight till that point. His floor was higher than Sarr offensively just due to the fact that he just has elite traits.

To me, Edwards, Giannis, and guys who were unpolished shouldn't be compared to Sarr. They were freaks of nature. They aren't 90% percentile guys. They were 1 of 1s. Sarr isn't a 1 of 1. He has a unique skill set and his upside is exceptional but is it likely to be reached is my biggest question.

With guys like Edwards and Giannis. I was willing to bet that they would eventually figure it out. I even went to both fanbases early in the process and asked both would they be willing to trade Edwards or Giannis and I offered Horford and Trae. Both said no even when those other players were clearly superior. They said no because I they saw all world potential even when they were miles away.

I can promise you, no one is going to do that for Sarr. No one.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#143 » by kg01 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:03 pm

That's a lotta words but you didn't really answer his questions. I'm also smelling a lot of hindsight.
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Post#144 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:16 am

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King Ken wrote:I reviewed both at 18 and both had much higher floors than Sarr. If Giannis worked out with more teams than the Hawks, he would have been drafted 1st overall


sure you did. What about Embiid's 11-8-1 freshmen season made you think he had a higher floor? Remember, college Embiid and the Embiid we saw three seasons later as a 22 y/o rookie were not anywhere near the same player. He didn't shoot threes and he was a poor FT shooter as well. I'd love to read your evaluation of him prior to the 2014 draft

Giannis was a complete mystery to teams. I'm guessing you barely knew who he was. Me thinks you're full of it and using revisionist history to try and justify you being low on Sarr. Giannis played in a garbage Greek league and put up 11-5-1. While he had good length and athleticism he was extremely skinny and raw. Why would you view a shorter and just as raw Giannis as having a higher floor than Sarr? Especially when Sarr has had more international success?

Both Giannis and Embiid needed years of development to become the great players they were. In both instances they were extremely gifted physically like Sarr. Neither showed as much or more at 18 y/o than Sarr has. Artificially limiting Sarr and his potential would have been like doing the same to 19 y/o Giannis and Embiid. It seems very arbitrary. I'm not suggesting he'll be as good as either, just that he at least has the potential to be.

I don't know how you can claim to understand Basketball and not know what the hell you are talking about. Everyone who watched Embiid knew he was easily the best prospect in the draft. Easily. He just was injury prone, needed to grow into his frame and then obviously got injured in the process which is why he fell from 1st overall anyway.

The gap is so damn massive between Embiid and Sarr offensively as prospects, it's like I know you don't watch Basketball. Sarr is worse on offense as a prospect than Marquese Chriss. I don't know how you can't see that this kid is bad offensively and he doesn't have a position on offense. He's a big wing but his dribbling isn't NBA ready yet. Shooting isn't big wing ready. His only NBA ready skill is scoring in transition which isn't even important unless he has half court skills. He terrible as a big man on both ends so that limits him. While he does show promise defensively without question, you really gotta have something in the half court that can keep you on the floor. He doesn't right now.

You can sell his potential but he's a lot further away than even someone raw last year like Bilal Coulibaly just due to the fact that at least Bilal had a NBA ready dribble drive. At least he had functional handles. Right now, I don't see how Sarr can even function outside of the Gleague. He's just a total liability on offense and defensively, his lack of physicality does impact him on post ups and paint protection. I see so much wrong in his game day 1. I see the potential but I saw enormous potential in Jonathan Bender and saw some potential in Marquese Chriss. It's not easy to play in the NBA, especially as a tweener. Other tweeners who made it like Jalen Johnson had two years of Gleague and being out of the rotation. That's a lot of development man.

Giannis was a freak of nature. He only worked out with one team. That dumbass franchise decided to fire their HC who was there in the process of Giannis and told his new team about him and lol! Giannis tape always was very impressive even if he was unpolished. I don't see the comparison. Giannis even then had generational traits. He had MJ like hands. He had insane speed and body control for someone that never touched a weight till that point. His floor was higher than Sarr offensively just due to the fact that he just has elite traits.

To me, Edwards, Giannis, and guys who were unpolished shouldn't be compared to Sarr. They were freaks of nature. They aren't 90% percentile guys. They were 1 of 1s. Sarr isn't a 1 of 1. He has a unique skill set and his upside is exceptional but is it likely to be reached is my biggest question.

With guys like Edwards and Giannis. I was willing to bet that they would eventually figure it out. I even went to both fanbases early in the process and asked both would they be willing to trade Edwards or Giannis and I offered Horford and Trae. Both said no even when those other players were clearly superior. They said no because I they saw all world potential even when they were miles away.

I can promise you, no one is going to do that for Sarr. No one.


here we go again. You're comparing Embiid, who was starting and the focal point of their offense and who was playing against 18 y/o in college, to Sarr who was a backup and was playing against grown men overseas. Talk about clueless. It's a lot easier to dominate when you get minutes, have a massive size advantage and get the ball. And nobody is even arguing Sarr is the same level of prospect anyway ffs. Just that he's being underrated given his elite traits and potential. You seem incapable of separating the player Embiid developed into and showed as a 22 y/o rookie and the raw 19 y/o kid that put up a whopping 11-8-1 shooting 22% from three and 69% FT while at Kansas :lol: That raw prospect isn't tiers above Sarr at this same age. It's not crazy to suggest Sarr might also be able to develop his game like Embiid did and become a great player.

The way you describe Sarr makes it apparent YOU don't watch basketball tbh.

what are these elite traits that 19 y/o Giannis had that 19 y/o Sarr doesn't?

At 19 y/o Sarr is taller, heavier, longer wingspan, and they have similar verticals and athleticism. I'm really confused by this one :lol:
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#145 » by Pattycakes » Sun Jun 9, 2024 2:28 pm

Just jumped in long enough to see Sarr being compared to Giannis. I literally don’t even need to know the context. Peace out
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Post#146 » by FarBeyondDriven » Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:05 pm

Pattycakes wrote:Just jumped in long enough to see Sarr being compared to Giannis. I literally don’t even need to know the context. Peace out


was thinking recently that what we need around here are more low-effort, drive-by, trolling posts. Thanks for delivering
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Post#147 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:16 am

Can he defend Jokic and Embiid at center position?
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Post#148 » by EMG518 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:34 am

FarBeyondDriven wrote:
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sure you did. What about Embiid's 11-8-1 freshmen season made you think he had a higher floor? Remember, college Embiid and the Embiid we saw three seasons later as a 22 y/o rookie were not anywhere near the same player. He didn't shoot threes and he was a poor FT shooter as well. I'd love to read your evaluation of him prior to the 2014 draft

Giannis was a complete mystery to teams. I'm guessing you barely knew who he was. Me thinks you're full of it and using revisionist history to try and justify you being low on Sarr. Giannis played in a garbage Greek league and put up 11-5-1. While he had good length and athleticism he was extremely skinny and raw. Why would you view a shorter and just as raw Giannis as having a higher floor than Sarr? Especially when Sarr has had more international success?

Both Giannis and Embiid needed years of development to become the great players they were. In both instances they were extremely gifted physically like Sarr. Neither showed as much or more at 18 y/o than Sarr has. Artificially limiting Sarr and his potential would have been like doing the same to 19 y/o Giannis and Embiid. It seems very arbitrary. I'm not suggesting he'll be as good as either, just that he at least has the potential to be.

I don't know how you can claim to understand Basketball and not know what the hell you are talking about. Everyone who watched Embiid knew he was easily the best prospect in the draft. Easily. He just was injury prone, needed to grow into his frame and then obviously got injured in the process which is why he fell from 1st overall anyway.

The gap is so damn massive between Embiid and Sarr offensively as prospects, it's like I know you don't watch Basketball. Sarr is worse on offense as a prospect than Marquese Chriss. I don't know how you can't see that this kid is bad offensively and he doesn't have a position on offense. He's a big wing but his dribbling isn't NBA ready yet. Shooting isn't big wing ready. His only NBA ready skill is scoring in transition which isn't even important unless he has half court skills. He terrible as a big man on both ends so that limits him. While he does show promise defensively without question, you really gotta have something in the half court that can keep you on the floor. He doesn't right now.

You can sell his potential but he's a lot further away than even someone raw last year like Bilal Coulibaly just due to the fact that at least Bilal had a NBA ready dribble drive. At least he had functional handles. Right now, I don't see how Sarr can even function outside of the Gleague. He's just a total liability on offense and defensively, his lack of physicality does impact him on post ups and paint protection. I see so much wrong in his game day 1. I see the potential but I saw enormous potential in Jonathan Bender and saw some potential in Marquese Chriss. It's not easy to play in the NBA, especially as a tweener. Other tweeners who made it like Jalen Johnson had two years of Gleague and being out of the rotation. That's a lot of development man.

Giannis was a freak of nature. He only worked out with one team. That dumbass franchise decided to fire their HC who was there in the process of Giannis and told his new team about him and lol! Giannis tape always was very impressive even if he was unpolished. I don't see the comparison. Giannis even then had generational traits. He had MJ like hands. He had insane speed and body control for someone that never touched a weight till that point. His floor was higher than Sarr offensively just due to the fact that he just has elite traits.

To me, Edwards, Giannis, and guys who were unpolished shouldn't be compared to Sarr. They were freaks of nature. They aren't 90% percentile guys. They were 1 of 1s. Sarr isn't a 1 of 1. He has a unique skill set and his upside is exceptional but is it likely to be reached is my biggest question.

With guys like Edwards and Giannis. I was willing to bet that they would eventually figure it out. I even went to both fanbases early in the process and asked both would they be willing to trade Edwards or Giannis and I offered Horford and Trae. Both said no even when those other players were clearly superior. They said no because I they saw all world potential even when they were miles away.

I can promise you, no one is going to do that for Sarr. No one.


here we go again. You're comparing Embiid, who was starting and the focal point of their offense and who was playing against 18 y/o in college, to Sarr who was a backup and was playing against grown men overseas. Talk about clueless. It's a lot easier to dominate when you get minutes, have a massive size advantage and get the ball. And nobody is even arguing Sarr is the same level of prospect anyway ffs. Just that he's being underrated given his elite traits and potential. You seem incapable of separating the player Embiid developed into and showed as a 22 y/o rookie and the raw 19 y/o kid that put up a whopping 11-8-1 shooting 22% from three and 69% FT while at Kansas :lol: That raw prospect isn't tiers above Sarr at this same age. It's not crazy to suggest Sarr might also be able to develop his game like Embiid did and become a great player.

The way you describe Sarr makes it apparent YOU don't watch basketball tbh.

what are these elite traits that 19 y/o Giannis had that 19 y/o Sarr doesn't?

At 19 y/o Sarr is taller, heavier, longer wingspan, and they have similar verticals and athleticism. I'm really confused by this one :lol:


Many including myself had Embiid as the clear #1 pick back when he was at Kansas. Even with his foot injury many including myself would have still taken him at 1.

They are completely different level of prospects. The name Hakeem Olajuwan was getting thrown around with Embiid and Embiid is literally the best big prospect I have seen since I have been following the draft back in 2011.

If you think Sarr is anything close you are smoking something.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#149 » by Devilanche » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:37 am

76ciology wrote:Can he defend Jokic and Embiid at center position?

Don’t think anyone in this draft can.
At least not on their rookie contract .
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Post#150 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:53 am

Devilanche wrote:
76ciology wrote:Can he defend Jokic and Embiid at center position?

Don’t think anyone in this draft can.
At least not on their rookie contract .


Can he have a better physique than Evan Mobley? Can he be better than Evan Mobley on defense? He’s more of a PF trying to play C to me.
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Post#151 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:41 am

Wouldn’t you need a 5 who can defend bigs and also space the floor with Sarr?
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Post#152 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:17 pm

Dude literally has no smoke. Feels like no team really is dying to have him even though he is considered the most likely at #1.

Kind of embarrassing how much more intrigue Risacher and Clingan are getting than him.
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Post#153 » by bucknut » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:44 pm

Anybody watch the g league game where sarr took to ron Holland 1 v 1 ? ........he picked him up full court and blocked him ....another sequence in half court he guarded him from the 3 point line and beat him to every spot ......no not the traditional big give 3 feet of space and guard but tight airspace

This kid has more guard like traits then any 7 footer ever......even Durant in some respects ..sarr shows flashes of bending his knees better

Now there is also tape where he looks opposite and somewhat uncoordinated......but the flashes are numerous

Offensively he can dribble full court and bend his knees like a 6 foot 6 player ..........he imo is much more Gianni's then mobley or claxton or Garnett guys who don't dribble full court

The biggest question in his game is finishing for me. If he develops this dribbling potential ...right now he can't finish very well at all. Part strength and part looks uncoordinated...a part which also could develop with age.

I don't see anyway the hawks take another soft euro three point guy over sarr when they need help on d.
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Post#154 » by bucknut » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:56 pm

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The g league highlights starting at 30 seconds and then the full court drive at 8 minutes is as impressive as they come. Tell me a 7 footer with that ability to bend the knees while going at that speed in history of nba
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Post#155 » by atlantabbq99 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:17 pm

bucknut wrote:;t=389s&pp=ygUJQWxleCBzYXJy

The g league highlights starting at 30 seconds and then the full court drive at 8 minutes is as impressive as they come. Tell me a 7 footer with that ability to bend the knees while going at that speed in history of nba


Hyper athletic 7 footer, that is why many of the board and youtube have already compared him to Giannis, Dwight, and Jaren Jackson Jr
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Post#156 » by nybluemeadow » Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:46 am

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coutournant wrote:I realize that Sarr has the same listed height and comparable shooting percentages Porzingis had at the same age (2013-2014 season). Even their per36 stats are comparable, Sarr is just better at shotblocking and a bit better at rebounding. Porzingis was facing a better competition (ACB) though, but to me it indicates well the ceiling of Sarr in the NBA : Porzingis with better defense. Porzingis was picked #4 in 2015


I have Sarr's floor as Jaren Jackson Jr. and his ceiling somewhere between Dwight and Giannis.


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https://wizofawes.com/posts/washington-wizards-alex-sarr-nba-draft-compared-jaren-jackson-jr-defensive-player-of-the-year

"Recent Wizards NBA Draft workout compared Sarr to Jaren Jackson Jr" :wink:
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Post#157 » by SeattleJazzFan » Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:15 pm

nybluemeadow wrote:
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I have Sarr's floor as Jaren Jackson Jr. and his ceiling somewhere between Dwight and Giannis.


:rofll:

all time horrible take on a board full of bad takes.



https://wizofawes.com/posts/washington-wizards-alex-sarr-nba-draft-compared-jaren-jackson-jr-defensive-player-of-the-year

"Recent Wizards NBA Draft workout compared Sarr to Jaren Jackson Jr" :wink:


they said his floor, his absolute worst outcome, was jaren jackson?
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Post#158 » by JRoy » Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:01 pm

76ciology wrote:Can he defend Jokic and Embiid at center position?


Can anyone?
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#159 » by bucknut » Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:59 pm

Super sized Jaden mcdaniels.

Why is he such a poor finisher ?

To me that is his question to if he becomes a star. He doesn't have the power of Gianni's in his drives but he has the knee bend the ability to angle and change direction of siakem.

Claxton never had the ability to drive like sarr or siakem

His handle will improve. He has the knees the athleticism. Will he finish ?
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Post#160 » by FarBeyondDriven » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:55 pm

now there's rumors that the reason he doesn't want to go to ATL is because he views himself as a 4 and ATL wants him to be strictly a center?! Red flag if true. His path to being worthy of being taken high imo is predicated on him playing some center. Like JJJ, Mobley, Wembanyama, AD, Chet, Porzingis or Myles Turner, depending on the lineup. If he views himself as only a 4 he's delusional. He does not have the shot or creation to play the 4 right now if ever. There's gotta be something preventing him from meeting with ATL. It's believable that it'd be this. I'm going to drop him a little

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