Caitlin Clark left off USA Roster

[DOT]

I honestly don’t know why people want Clark to be on a roster where she’s mostly like only play a handful of minutes each game. I get that she’s the most popular figure in the history of women’s basketball but at this point in her career she’s just not good enough to play over far superior players and it would be hard to justify any basketball reasons for giving her significant minutes even if she was on the roster. She’s not even the best rookie in the WNBA right now and yet you’ve got people clamoring for her to get on the Olympic team. Leaving her off the team is not only reasonable but it’s exactly how USA women’s basketball has operated for decades. Some of you want them to make an exception for a player who while admittedly is incredibly popular is effective just an average rookie.

Because WNBA players have been crying about no one caring about the league, about how their pay sucks, about how they don't fly chartered, etc..

Then when a player comes in that could completely change all these things for them, they try their best to exclude her and not utilize her to change their (and future WNBA players) lives.

It's annoying, like a fat person complaining they're fat then getting mad at you when you tell them to eat less.

Are CC fans becoming fans of other players? I’m not seeing it online at least.

Most barely seem to know anything about basketball.


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The people in this thread doing the screeching aren't Clark fans, they're just mediocre men using Clark as a means to get angry about women while having some cover from being called out for it

Most of the Caitlin Clark fans irl have gotten into the sport, to what degree depends. Some are just Clark fans, some have started following the Fever, and I'm sure others have gotten into their local teams

But people like Lous here, I'm not trying to No True Scotsman it, looking at his post history he has only two posts that come up in the search for "Caitlin" or "Clark", both are in the thread about the "offer" from Ice Cube for her to join the Big 3, neither of which is him talking about being a fan of her, both are just him complaining about how bad the WNBA is. I don't think people like him are Caitlin Clark fans, I think they're dudes who are insecure about their own masculinity and are using Clark to tear down women to make themselves feel better.

[zimpy27]

Yeah if this were the men's team you absolutely would expect the college megastar that is a rookie to get picked because of the marketing...

This feels like a missed opportunity for women's basketball popularity.

[JustBuzzin]

Nah this is pure hate/jealousy and certainly not a competitive basketball play.

Read on Twitter

So. What. Its not the first dirty play ever in the world of basketball and it most certainly wont be the last. Dozens or more NBA players have made a living on making similar or even far more egregious plays and have been embraced as "enforcers". That play is really as mild as it comes.

After the game, she also jumped on social media and made posts saying, paraphrasing “what does CC bring other than 3 point shooting?”

Petty.

You think “enforcers” like Oakley or Lambier would have jumped on Twitter after knocking someone down with a cheap shot?

Petty?

You are being petty right now. Bro acting like the world should stop because Clarke got a cheap shot. This happens in basketball bro. Stop being petty over nothing.

[Mephariel]

lol these threads always bring out the misogyny

Dudes who don't watch a lick of WNBA will tell you every other WNBA player hates Clark out of jealousy, but that's just something they make up in their minds because they assume all women are petty and jealous cause that's what they joke about with their male friends

Similar to the culture warriors who see her as the Great White Hope. Moment she says something semi progressive, they're all gonna turn on her like they do with every other woman

Alyssa Thomas full on chokeslammed Angel Reese, yet not a peep out of these same people saying the W hates Reese. It's all so stupid, like I don't comment on stuff I don't watch, but these Stephen A. Smith wannabees need to insert themselves into every conversation for some reason. Well, not for some unknown reason, it's cause they want to talk down to women because that makes them feel less insecure about themselves.

You basically nailed it. The same people who constantly whine about "diversity hires" in companies are now suggesting that Clark should get an Olympic spot automatically because she is popular. Look, there is an argument her skills could be useful on the Olympic team, but there is also an argument she shouldn't be there at all. I also love the argument that Clark brings in the casual fans. Is there any evidence that those fans care about the WNBA beyond Clark? The way to build the WNBA is to raise the talent overall and make the entire game more interesting. Sustained success. Not just relying on one player. Certainly not relying on a emotional decision to put Clark on the Olympic team. Clark is part of the equation, but not the entire solution. Even the NBA took more than one star. After Bird and Magic, Jordan arrived. Then Kobe and Lebron, etc.

And yes, some WNBA players are a bit petty. But for a good reason. The same reason players went at Lonzo Ball right the way. If there is a male player earning 10x the amount of money Jalen Brown is making at the age of 21 and became a celebrity in college before even playing a game in the NBA, you bet Pat Beverly will deck him. Clark is a grown woman. She can handle it. She doesn't need 500,000 white knights online protecting her.

[DOT]

I do think there's an argument to be made about popularity, that giving her the last spot would bring more eyes on the team, but at the same time, she wouldn't get many minutes so the people just watching for her won't watch for long once they realize it isn't gonna be about her, plus team USA has always prioritized function over form, building the best team more than anything even though the talent gap is so wide

Once you go past that and start saying she was purposefully snubbed because everyone else is jealous of her, that's just made up bullsh*t. She's not on the team because you can't justify putting her on there from a purely basketball driven analysis. Even agreeing Taurasi shouldn't be on the team, there's still other guards I'd put ahead of Clark. You can argue ratings and popularity, but that's not their main goal when building the Olympic team.

[madskillz8]

lol these threads always bring out the misogyny

Dudes who don't watch a lick of WNBA will tell you every other WNBA player hates Clark out of jealousy, but that's just something they make up in their minds because they assume all women are petty and jealous cause that's what they joke about with their male friends

Similar to the culture warriors who see her as the Great White Hope. Moment she says something semi progressive, they're all gonna turn on her like they do with every other woman

Alyssa Thomas full on chokeslammed Angel Reese, yet not a peep out of these same people saying the W hates Reese. It's all so stupid, like I don't comment on stuff I don't watch, but these Stephen A. Smith wannabees need to insert themselves into every conversation for some reason. Well, not for some unknown reason, it's cause they want to talk down to women because that makes them feel less insecure about themselves.

Just curious, don't you think there are some "jealousy" towards to the hype of Clark in WNBA?

If not, what is the reason of this "I hate you" look from the opponent before the out of nowhere knock out in above-shared video? Racism? Or what? Did Clark stole her toys in kindergarten? There should be a reason, right? Why WNBA players, or even "legends" were trying to downplay her instead of appreciating the attention she brings to women's basketball - more than they ever bring collectively...

This is something we don't see in NBA. We recently had a player with a similar hype with Clark, this tall monsieur from France. Be honest, can you imagine NBA stars publicly downplaying Wemby or any other very hyped rookie either before the draft or in the first few months where he clearly failed to live up the hype? Can you imagine Lebron disrespecting Wemby or any other draft candidate by saying "he's not built for NBA, I will take player X instead" on TV? Look at NBA stars' comments on Wemby, 8 months before the draft.

I mean, what's the source of such a collective anger or dislike towards CC, which is not some speculation since recorded on tape, other than jealousy? I'm very curious. Misogyny is a thing, just like a jealousy towards Clark. Both can exist at the same time, and addressing the obvious jealousy towards her hype does not make one a misogynist. Just saying...

[DOT]

addressing the obvious jealousy towards her hype does not make one a misogynist

Making up this narrative because "nobody hates women like women. You know how women are" is misogynistic

Same thing as "come on, it's obvious they're jealous of her. You know how women are"

You act like dudes don't say "wait until he plays against grown men" all the time

It's so bad that Diana Taurasi saying "it will be rough at first because it's always a transition going from playing teenagers to grown adults, but she's good so she'll get better" was immediately spun by y'all as "DIANA TAURASI SAYS CAITLIN CLARK SUCKS, WHY ARE THESE WOMEN SO JEALOUS OF HER"

Y'all make the narratives before seeing the facts. It's the same sh*t the incel chuds do when they call everything woke and pre-emptively blame wokeness for why a movie fails.

[madskillz8]

addressing the obvious jealousy towards her hype does not make one a misogynist

Making up this narrative because "nobody hates women like women. You know how women are" is misogynistic

Same thing as "come on, it's obvious they're jealous to her. You know how women are"

You act like dudes don't say "wait until he plays against grown men" all the time

It's so bad that Diana Taurasi saying "it will be rough at first because it's always a transition going from playing teenagers to grown adults, but she's good so she'll get better" was immediately spun by y'all as "DIANA TAURASI SAYS CAITLIN CLARK SUCKS, WHY ARE THESE WOMEN SO JEALOUS OF HER"

Y'all make the narratives before seeing the facts. It's the same sh*t the incel chuds do when they call everything woke and pre-emptively blame wokeness for why a movie fails.

I didn't say that or anything close. Please quote my post. I'm waiting...

You are the one coming to thread and immediately labeling everyone as MEDIOCRE MEN, MISOGYNIST, etc in your very first post... Now INCEL CHUDS. Go ahead. You are full of hate and derailing the discussion with that.

And why you didn't reply my question and quoted just one sentence? Don't you think there are some jealousy towards the hype of Clark? Yes or No?

[Mephariel]

lol these threads always bring out the misogyny

Dudes who don't watch a lick of WNBA will tell you every other WNBA player hates Clark out of jealousy, but that's just something they make up in their minds because they assume all women are petty and jealous cause that's what they joke about with their male friends

Similar to the culture warriors who see her as the Great White Hope. Moment she says something semi progressive, they're all gonna turn on her like they do with every other woman

Alyssa Thomas full on chokeslammed Angel Reese, yet not a peep out of these same people saying the W hates Reese. It's all so stupid, like I don't comment on stuff I don't watch, but these Stephen A. Smith wannabees need to insert themselves into every conversation for some reason. Well, not for some unknown reason, it's cause they want to talk down to women because that makes them feel less insecure about themselves.

Just curious, don't you think there are some "jealousy" towards to the hype of Clark in WNBA?

If not, what is the reason of this "I hate you" look from the opponent before the out of nowhere knock out in above-shared video? Racism? Or what? Did Clark stole her toys in kindergarten? There should be a reason, right? Why WNBA players, or even "legends" were trying to downplay her instead of appreciating the attention she brings to women's basketball - more than they ever bring collectively...

This is something we don't see in NBA. We recently had a player with a similar hype with Clark, this tall monsieur from France. Be honest, can you imagine NBA stars publicly downplaying Wemby or any other very hyped rookie either before the draft or in the first few months where he clearly failed to live up the hype? Can you imagine Lebron disrespecting Wemby or any other draft candidate by saying "he's not built for NBA, I will take player X instead" on TV? Look at NBA stars' comments on Wemby, 8 months before the draft.

I mean, what's the source of such a collective anger or dislike towards CC, which is not some speculation since recorded on tape, other than jealousy? I'm very curious. Misogyny is a thing, just like a jealousy towards Clark. Both can exist at the same time, and addressing the obvious jealousy towards her hype does not make one a misogynist. Just saying...

This is something we don't see in the NBA because it has never happened in the NBA. As I mentioned in my post, has there ever been an NBA player as hyped as Clark was in college AND earned more money from sponsorship than the highest paid NBA player in total salary before even stepping on a NBA court? This would be equivalent of a college male player earning several times what Jaylen Brown is getting now. Of course some of the WNBA players are jealous. That is natural. You never saw the animosity players displayed against Lonzo Ball in his rookie year? Pat Beverly went after him in his first NBA game. People don't like rookies getting all the attention.

[Wingy]

Basketball wise, and check me if I’m crazy wrong WNBA hardcore fans, I don’t think it would be all that crazy to say this is akin to people clamoring for Jordan Poole to be on the Olympic team.

Except with way more turnovers.

Despite her being the primary reason I’m paying way more attention, I can see the reality. She’s just not good enough yet, and that’s normal.

The people who are gonna lose interest because Caitlin Clark isn’t an Olympian aren’t paying attention anyway.

Seriously, if you weren’t already tuning in after Iowa and March Madness and against a big name like Angel/the defending champs, you really think people are going to make appointment viewing for tape delayed games against no name opponents that are getting blown out of the water by 50 points every game? Nah, I ain’t buying that at all.

[76Shots]

Nah this is pure hate/jealousy and certainly not a competitive basketball play.

Read on Twitter

So. What. Its not the first dirty play ever in the world of basketball and it most certainly wont be the last. Dozens or more NBA players have made a living on making similar or even far more egregious plays and have been embraced as "enforcers". That play is really as mild as it comes.

After the game, she also jumped on social media and made posts saying, paraphrasing “what does CC bring other than 3 point shooting?”

Petty.

You think “enforcers” like Oakley or Lambier would have jumped on Twitter after knocking someone down with a cheap shot?

Yes. I absolutely believe both Oakley and Lambier (especially Lambier) would have done exactly that if they had Twitter during their time.

[76Shots]

lol these threads always bring out the misogyny

Dudes who don't watch a lick of WNBA will tell you every other WNBA player hates Clark out of jealousy, but that's just something they make up in their minds because they assume all women are petty and jealous cause that's what they joke about with their male friends

Similar to the culture warriors who see her as the Great White Hope. Moment she says something semi progressive, they're all gonna turn on her like they do with every other woman

Alyssa Thomas full on chokeslammed Angel Reese, yet not a peep out of these same people saying the W hates Reese. It's all so stupid, like I don't comment on stuff I don't watch, but these Stephen A. Smith wannabees need to insert themselves into every conversation for some reason. Well, not for some unknown reason, it's cause they want to talk down to women because that makes them feel less insecure about themselves.

Just curious, don't you think there are some "jealousy" towards to the hype of Clark in WNBA?

If not, what is the reason of this "I hate you" look from the opponent before the out of nowhere knock out in above-shared video? Racism? Or what? Did Clark stole her toys in kindergarten? There should be a reason, right? Why WNBA players, or even "legends" were trying to downplay her instead of appreciating the attention she brings to women's basketball - more than they ever bring collectively...

This is something we don't see in NBA. We recently had a player with a similar hype with Clark, this tall monsieur from France. Be honest, can you imagine NBA stars publicly downplaying Wemby or any other very hyped rookie either before the draft or in the first few months where he clearly failed to live up the hype? Can you imagine Lebron disrespecting Wemby or any other draft candidate by saying "he's not built for NBA, I will take player X instead" on TV? Look at NBA stars' comments on Wemby, 8 months before the draft.

I mean, what's the source of such a collective anger or dislike towards CC, which is not some speculation since recorded on tape, other than jealousy? I'm very curious. Misogyny is a thing, just like a jealousy towards Clark. Both can exist at the same time, and addressing the obvious jealousy towards her hype does not make one a misogynist. Just saying...

Just off the top off my head, Patrick Beverly vs Lonzo Ball after Lonzo was drafted by the Lakers and Brendan Haywood vs LeBron when the Cavs were battling the Wizards constantly come to mind.

[madskillz8]

lol these threads always bring out the misogyny

Dudes who don't watch a lick of WNBA will tell you every other WNBA player hates Clark out of jealousy, but that's just something they make up in their minds because they assume all women are petty and jealous cause that's what they joke about with their male friends

Similar to the culture warriors who see her as the Great White Hope. Moment she says something semi progressive, they're all gonna turn on her like they do with every other woman

Alyssa Thomas full on chokeslammed Angel Reese, yet not a peep out of these same people saying the W hates Reese. It's all so stupid, like I don't comment on stuff I don't watch, but these Stephen A. Smith wannabees need to insert themselves into every conversation for some reason. Well, not for some unknown reason, it's cause they want to talk down to women because that makes them feel less insecure about themselves.

Just curious, don't you think there are some "jealousy" towards to the hype of Clark in WNBA?

If not, what is the reason of this "I hate you" look from the opponent before the out of nowhere knock out in above-shared video? Racism? Or what? Did Clark stole her toys in kindergarten? There should be a reason, right? Why WNBA players, or even "legends" were trying to downplay her instead of appreciating the attention she brings to women's basketball - more than they ever bring collectively...

This is something we don't see in NBA. We recently had a player with a similar hype with Clark, this tall monsieur from France. Be honest, can you imagine NBA stars publicly downplaying Wemby or any other very hyped rookie either before the draft or in the first few months where he clearly failed to live up the hype? Can you imagine Lebron disrespecting Wemby or any other draft candidate by saying "he's not built for NBA, I will take player X instead" on TV? Look at NBA stars' comments on Wemby, 8 months before the draft.

I mean, what's the source of such a collective anger or dislike towards CC, which is not some speculation since recorded on tape, other than jealousy? I'm very curious. Misogyny is a thing, just like a jealousy towards Clark. Both can exist at the same time, and addressing the obvious jealousy towards her hype does not make one a misogynist. Just saying...

This is something we don't see in the NBA because it has never happened in the NBA. As I mentioned in my post, has there ever been an NBA player as hyped as Clark was in college AND earned more money from sponsorship than the highest paid NBA player in total salary before even stepping on a NBA court? This would be equivalent of a college male player earning several times what Jaylen Brown is getting now. Of course some of the WNBA players are jealous. That is natural. You never saw the animosity players displayed against Lonzo Ball in his rookie year? Pat Beverly went after him in his first NBA game. People don't like rookies getting all the attention.

That's what I am saying. Jealousy is a jealousy, we're seeing it on tape, on fellow WNBA players' faces, in their words. What's the point of ignoring that?

I agree with your points, in parts. Because Wemby's hype was also huge, yet NBA stars didn't feel insecure. We didn't see comments on his injury history or being too skinny for rebounds, or he don't deserve to be drafted 1st. Anything close to that. Instead, they appreciated the potential with the kindest words possible- please see the link I've shared.

Also, I personally don't think WNBA players were jealous of her money. At least, it is not the first factor. As I mentioned in my previous post, many WNBA players were earning more salary overseas. You can say Taurasi is just earning 250k before taxes, but the same Taurasi was earning $1.5m in 2012 without taxes. While Taurasi is an extreme example, I don't really think that Chicago player was thinking about Clark's career earnings when she suddenly decided shout her "B*tch" and then bump with an anger in her eyes as if Clark killed her family. I think it is more about her fame and hype, rather than a money thing. They know that area is full because of her hype, not because any other player on the court. And I can totally understand that jealousy.

Also, watching how WNBA players treated Clark and how she started to receive "B" words without any on-court reason, made me remember the statements of one WNBA player about the bullying culture in WNBA, which were immediately refuted by fellow players at that time.

"People were deliberately trying to hurt me all of the time," Wiggins said. "I had never been called the B-word so many times in my life than I was in my rookie season. I'd never been thrown to the ground so much. The message was: 'We want you to know we don't like you.'"

[Wingy]

And why you didn't reply my question and quoted just one sentence? Don't you think there are some jealousy towards the hype of Clark? Yes or No?

There are definitely some, and for so many reasons, why wouldn’t there be?

The problem is people painting it as if the entire league hates her and is against her. Because women gonna women….am I right?!

You actually have people here acting like they know for sure she was kept out by the players on the roster. Couldn’t possibly be the truth that she’s just not good enough yet.

I also don’t buy the token player argument. I’m one that ****ing hated Christian Laettner being on the Dream Team. That was 100% a popularity choice, and it was trash.

[sikma42]

lol these threads always bring out the misogyny

Dudes who don't watch a lick of WNBA will tell you every other WNBA player hates Clark out of jealousy, but that's just something they make up in their minds because they assume all women are petty and jealous cause that's what they joke about with their male friends

Similar to the culture warriors who see her as the Great White Hope. Moment she says something semi progressive, they're all gonna turn on her like they do with every other woman

Alyssa Thomas full on chokeslammed Angel Reese, yet not a peep out of these same people saying the W hates Reese. It's all so stupid, like I don't comment on stuff I don't watch, but these Stephen A. Smith wannabees need to insert themselves into every conversation for some reason. Well, not for some unknown reason, it's cause they want to talk down to women because that makes them feel less insecure about themselves.

Just curious, don't you think there are some "jealousy" towards to the hype of Clark in WNBA?

If not, what is the reason of this "I hate you" look from the opponent before the out of nowhere knock out in above-shared video? Racism? Or what? Did Clark stole her toys in kindergarten? There should be a reason, right? Why WNBA players, or even "legends" were trying to downplay her instead of appreciating the attention she brings to women's basketball - more than they ever bring collectively...

This is something we don't see in NBA. We recently had a player with a similar hype with Clark, this tall monsieur from France. Be honest, can you imagine NBA stars publicly downplaying Wemby or any other very hyped rookie either before the draft or in the first few months where he clearly failed to live up the hype? Can you imagine Lebron disrespecting Wemby or any other draft candidate by saying "he's not built for NBA, I will take player X instead" on TV? Look at NBA stars' comments on Wemby, 8 months before the draft.

I mean, what's the source of such a collective anger or dislike towards CC, which is not some speculation since recorded on tape, other than jealousy? I'm very curious. Misogyny is a thing, just like a jealousy towards Clark. Both can exist at the same time, and addressing the obvious jealousy towards her hype does not make one a misogynist. Just saying...

This is something we don't see in the NBA because it has never happened in the NBA. As I mentioned in my post, has there ever been an NBA player as hyped as Clark was in college AND earned more money from sponsorship than the highest paid NBA player in total salary before even stepping on a NBA court? This would be equivalent of a college male player earning several times what Jaylen Brown is getting now. Of course some of the WNBA players are jealous. That is natural. You never saw the animosity players displayed against Lonzo Ball in his rookie year? Pat Beverly went after him in his first NBA game. People don't like rookies getting all the attention.

You understand that players couldn’t get endorsements until very recently? You also understand that there have been more hyped basketball players than CC? If you need them listed out, then you aren’t a basketball fan.


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[madskillz8]

lol these threads always bring out the misogyny

Dudes who don't watch a lick of WNBA will tell you every other WNBA player hates Clark out of jealousy, but that's just something they make up in their minds because they assume all women are petty and jealous cause that's what they joke about with their male friends

Similar to the culture warriors who see her as the Great White Hope. Moment she says something semi progressive, they're all gonna turn on her like they do with every other woman

Alyssa Thomas full on chokeslammed Angel Reese, yet not a peep out of these same people saying the W hates Reese. It's all so stupid, like I don't comment on stuff I don't watch, but these Stephen A. Smith wannabees need to insert themselves into every conversation for some reason. Well, not for some unknown reason, it's cause they want to talk down to women because that makes them feel less insecure about themselves.

Just curious, don't you think there are some "jealousy" towards to the hype of Clark in WNBA?

If not, what is the reason of this "I hate you" look from the opponent before the out of nowhere knock out in above-shared video? Racism? Or what? Did Clark stole her toys in kindergarten? There should be a reason, right? Why WNBA players, or even "legends" were trying to downplay her instead of appreciating the attention she brings to women's basketball - more than they ever bring collectively...

This is something we don't see in NBA. We recently had a player with a similar hype with Clark, this tall monsieur from France. Be honest, can you imagine NBA stars publicly downplaying Wemby or any other very hyped rookie either before the draft or in the first few months where he clearly failed to live up the hype? Can you imagine Lebron disrespecting Wemby or any other draft candidate by saying "he's not built for NBA, I will take player X instead" on TV? Look at NBA stars' comments on Wemby, 8 months before the draft.

I mean, what's the source of such a collective anger or dislike towards CC, which is not some speculation since recorded on tape, other than jealousy? I'm very curious. Misogyny is a thing, just like a jealousy towards Clark. Both can exist at the same time, and addressing the obvious jealousy towards her hype does not make one a misogynist. Just saying...

Just off the top off my head, Patrick Beverly vs Lonzo Ball after Lonzo was drafted by the Lakers and Brendan Haywood vs LeBron when the Cavs were battling the Wizards constantly come to mind.

If all you can remember is one crazy player -who recently headshot a fan with a basketball- doing crazy things, I'd say my statement is correct. And Hayward Lebron beef is from 2008. Lebron's rookie season was 2003.

[76Shots]

Just curious, don't you think there are some "jealousy" towards to the hype of Clark in WNBA?

If not, what is the reason of this "I hate you" look from the opponent before the out of nowhere knock out in above-shared video? Racism? Or what? Did Clark stole her toys in kindergarten? There should be a reason, right? Why WNBA players, or even "legends" were trying to downplay her instead of appreciating the attention she brings to women's basketball - more than they ever bring collectively...

This is something we don't see in NBA. We recently had a player with a similar hype with Clark, this tall monsieur from France. Be honest, can you imagine NBA stars publicly downplaying Wemby or any other very hyped rookie either before the draft or in the first few months where he clearly failed to live up the hype? Can you imagine Lebron disrespecting Wemby or any other draft candidate by saying "he's not built for NBA, I will take player X instead" on TV? Look at NBA stars' comments on Wemby, 8 months before the draft.

I mean, what's the source of such a collective anger or dislike towards CC, which is not some speculation since recorded on tape, other than jealousy? I'm very curious. Misogyny is a thing, just like a jealousy towards Clark. Both can exist at the same time, and addressing the obvious jealousy towards her hype does not make one a misogynist. Just saying...

Just off the top off my head, Patrick Beverly vs Lonzo Ball after Lonzo was drafted by the Lakers and Brendan Haywood vs LeBron when the Cavs were battling the Wizards constantly come to mind.

If all you can remember is one crazy player -who recently headshot a fan with a basketball- doing crazy things, I'd say my statement is correct. And Hayward Lebron beef is from 2008. Lebron's rookie season was 2003.

I said off the top of my head. But that goal line move effortless on your part.

[madskillz8]

And why you didn't reply my question and quoted just one sentence? Don't you think there are some jealousy towards the hype of Clark? Yes or No?

There are definitely some, and for so many reasons, why wouldn’t there be?

The problem is people painting it as if the entire league hates her and is against her. Because women gonna women….am I right?!

You actually have people here acting like they know for sure she was kept out by the players on the roster. Couldn’t possibly be the truth that she’s just not good enough yet.

I also don’t buy the token player argument. I’m one that ****ing hated Christian Laettner being on the Dream Team. That was 100% a popularity choice, and it was trash.

Well, what I don't understand is criticizing the people who made stupid generalizations by making stupid generalizations. Oh the irony...

The poster I replied was exactly doing that by calling everyone who uses jealosy arguments in this thread (I was one of them) as misogynists, mediocre men, incel chuds. And that poster didn't even reply my simple question. Instead she picked a sentence out of my 100 sentences and continued spitting new accusations by generalizing everyone.

I am repeating one last time: Misogyny is a thing, just like a jealousy towards Clark. Both can exist at the same time, and addressing the obvious jealousy towards her hype does not make one a misogynist. Logic 101.

[Wingy]

Well, what I don't understand is criticizing the people who made stupid generalizations by making stupid generalizations. Oh the irony...

The poster I replied was exactly doing that by calling everyone who uses jealosy arguments in this thread (I was one of them) as misogynists, mediocre men, incel chuds. And that poster didn't even reply my simple question. Instead she picked a sentence out of my 100 sentences and continued spitting new accusations by generalizing everyone.

I am repeating one last time: Misogyny is a thing, just like a jealousy towards Clark. Both can exist at the same time, and addressing the obvious jealousy towards her hype does not make one a misogynist. Logic 101.

Sure, I can get on board with what you’re saying here. Just think there are too many that too easily generalize the entire league based on the actions of a few.

As for the jealousy towards her hype, there are some players for sure, as I acknowledged. Though perhaps people ought to really stop and think of the reasons why. Look up Paige Bueckers Espys speech if you haven’t seen it.

The first time I ever saw it, it was ironically used against me by someone debating me that Clark should stand up and say more against those using the Carter incident to attack the whole league. Paige did it, why not Caitlin. I maintained Paige’s family situation is more unique, and it’s unfair to ask that of 22 y/o Clark — to take on that role battling long-existing racism, misogyny, and anti-LGBTQ sentiments all while trying to figure out her job straight from college (rookie men get around 7 months before real games, women get virtually nothing). In any case, Bueckers speech holds a mountain of truth…and yet people expect the league to be free of jealous players, and basically kiss the court Clark walks on?

Also, there is a crap ton of misogyny in this thread. To deny it would be like denying there are some players jealous of Clark.

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Basketball wise, and check me if I’m crazy wrong WNBA hardcore fans, I don’t think it would be all that crazy to say this is akin to people clamoring for Jordan Poole to be on the Olympic team.

Except with way more turnovers.

Despite her being the primary reason I’m paying way more attention, I can see the reality. She’s just not good enough yet, and that’s normal.

The people who are gonna lose interest because Caitlin Clark isn’t an Olympian aren’t paying attention anyway.

Seriously, if you weren’t already tuning in after Iowa and March Madness and against a big name like Angel/the defending champs, you really think people are going to make appointment viewing for tape delayed games against no name opponents that are getting blown out of the water by 50 points every game? Nah, I ain’t buying that at all.

She's 13th in the league in scoring and 4th in assists (per game).
She's struggled with efficiency and turnovers, but giving her a Jordan Poole comp is a pretty wild take (you mean Wizards Poole, right? He was pretty good in 21-22).
I wouldn't pay much attention to the posters saying she is actually a bad WNBA player or has been outperformed by rookies like Cam Brinks lol. That's not true at all. She's clearly been the most impactful rookie and everyone else would trade their rookie and an extra FRP for her without hesitation.
She's closer to last season Wemby than last season Poole. She's not a top-12 player in the league, but is quite superior to several other starting guards in the league.
Some of her struggles can also be attributed to being on an absolute trash team. The previous #1 overall pick, Boston, has been way more disappointing this season imo, but she escapes the criticism because of the attention Clark gets.