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Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#881 » by Indeed » Sun Jun 9, 2024 3:16 am

agkagk wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
Or you can start Jakob
Sub Edey
Play Kelly at the back-up 4
Finish with Kelly at the 5 if need be

yeah kelly is a backup four but neither him or poeltl really play above the rim; this playoffs has shown the importance of lively and gafford type players; claxton wants a 20M contract; there is value to these types of players


100% this team is adding a young cheap rim runner to backup jakub

Kelly’s there to babysit him lol

Like bare minimum, jaxton hayes for the min or someone similar!


I hope we are not filling a backup with our mid first, but I guess we are limited to rotation player on this draft.
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Post#882 » by agkagk » Sun Jun 9, 2024 3:31 am

Indeed wrote:
agkagk wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:yeah kelly is a backup four but neither him or poeltl really play above the rim; this playoffs has shown the importance of lively and gafford type players; claxton wants a 20M contract; there is value to these types of players


100% this team is adding a young cheap rim runner to backup jakub

Kelly’s there to babysit him lol

Like bare minimum, jaxton hayes for the min or someone similar!


I hope we are not filling a backup with our mid first, but I guess we are limited to rotation player on this draft.


Doubt it.

Im anticipating the exact opposite.

The goal is to get back to being a “player development factory”.

I have a hard time seeing a rookie centre playing with this roster next season tbh.

Im expecting rotational vets and project long term prospects.

But what do i know. I mean if vasquez 2.0 is available at 19 again this year, then yee-ha
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Post#883 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun Jun 9, 2024 3:47 am

McCain was seen as a potential one-and-done lottery prospect entering the season before a slow start made evaluators pause. However, over the last two-thirds of the season, McCain was one of the best freshman scorers in high-major college basketball. Starting with Duke’s Dec. 9 game against Charlotte, McCain averaged 16.2 points, 5.2 rebounds and 1.9 assists over his last 28 games. He made 41.6 percent of his 6.4 3-point attempts per game during that span and consistently got into the lane in transition or when driving closeouts. I also thought he improved drastically on defense over his final 15 or so games.

Teams say McCain is taking a different strategy than most players who are in his draft range, which is believed to be around Nos. 9 to 20. He is refusing one-on-zero workouts in favor of competitive 3-on-3 group settings. Even though he is viewed as one of the best shooters in this draft, the opportunity to showcase his toughness and mentality could be beneficial, even working out mostly against projected second-round picks.

With most of the teams in his range also looking for shooting finesse, including Memphis, Oklahoma City, Sacramento, Miami, Los Angeles, Orlando and Toronto, McCain likely won't have a very long wait to hear his name called on draft night. -- Givony


The more I read about McCain the more I like him. Models his game after Brunson, Lowry. If we can move up, might be a target. Lights out shooter and can fit within our offense
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Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#884 » by DreamTeam09 » Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:07 am

Indeed wrote:
agkagk wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:yeah kelly is a backup four but neither him or poeltl really play above the rim; this playoffs has shown the importance of lively and gafford type players; claxton wants a 20M contract; there is value to these types of players


100% this team is adding a young cheap rim runner to backup jakub

Kelly’s there to babysit him lol

Like bare minimum, jaxton hayes for the min or someone similar!


I hope we are not filling a backup with our mid first, but I guess we are limited to rotation player on this draft.


Going into any draft a starter at 19 isn't the likely outcome
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Post#885 » by agkagk » Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:20 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Indeed wrote:
agkagk wrote:
100% this team is adding a young cheap rim runner to backup jakub

Kelly’s there to babysit him lol

Like bare minimum, jaxton hayes for the min or someone similar!


I hope we are not filling a backup with our mid first, but I guess we are limited to rotation player on this draft.


Going into any draft a starter at 19 isn't the likely outcome


For sure.

A rotational player is a blessing!

My biggest concern is my confidence in the state of the 905 at the moment tbh (the organization in general tbh)

Sending a 19th pick there, at least on paper, makes me a bit queasy lol

But i feel like, thats one of our most important goals; the 905 has to produce impact players for us again.

Like if we sent our 19th pick there for the majority of the next 1.5 seasons and 4 years later hes norm powell or better; that would be our greatest possible outcome.
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Post#886 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:37 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Indeed wrote:
agkagk wrote:
100% this team is adding a young cheap rim runner to backup jakub

Kelly’s there to babysit him lol

Like bare minimum, jaxton hayes for the min or someone similar!


I hope we are not filling a backup with our mid first, but I guess we are limited to rotation player on this draft.


Going into any draft a starter at 19 isn't the likely outcome


That statement may be factually correct but we were what the first team ever to win a championship with no starting player picked in the lotto or top 14? Hell Fred was not a top 60 selection, Paskal 27th, OG 23rd, Lowry 22nd... Kawhi 15th and dealt. Norm was picked 46 or something. Providing we don't pick a point guard? I like our shot at high rotation value. Do not think we'll have a centre in this draft unless Edey is there at 19. I'd have no problem going Holmes, Mogbo and acquiring or signing PJ Hall or Enrique Freeman.
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Post#887 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Sun Jun 9, 2024 5:40 am

HangTime wrote:This is the draft that make or break a scouting department.

dunno about that. the brown trade may yield a 2025 pick giving us 2 picks next year and then we have the pacers pick in 2026 giving us two picks then; both of which are better drafts than this one.
i would say every draft is critical for us since we dont really attract FAs.
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Post#888 » by bballsparkin » Sun Jun 9, 2024 6:14 am

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
That statement may be factually correct but we were what the first team ever to win a championship with no starting player picked in the lotto or top 14? Hell Fred was not a top 60 selection, Paskal 27th, OG 23rd, Lowry 22nd... Kawhi 15th and dealt. Norm was picked 46 or something. Providing we don't pick a point guard? I like our shot at high rotation value. Do not think we'll have a centre in this draft unless Edey is there at 19. I'd have no problem going Holmes, Mogbo and acquiring or signing PJ Hall or Enrique Freeman.


JV #5, DD #9, T Ross # 8 etc. Players on the championship team were acquired via the lottery. Fake news bro.

I like Hall too. Strange draft, should be fun.
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Post#889 » by Thaddy » Sun Jun 9, 2024 8:06 am

McCain would be an easy choice at our pick. He has good passing stats and the shot looks good. Even if he isn't a primary ball handler it works well with the point forwards we have (Barrett and Barnes).

I doubt we go in that direction since we have a bigger need for a young big. That screams Ware to me. He has a lot to like and the low motor could be something we could work with.

Poeltl - Ware
Barnes - Olynyk
Barrett
Dick - Agbaji
Quickely

I expect something is done for Brown but I wouldn't be upset with an outcome like the above. The 31st pick should be sold. We will get a higher than expected value due to the new 2 day draft.
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Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#890 » by CPT » Sun Jun 9, 2024 8:47 am

I'd always like to swing for the fences, but I think in this draft we're probably looking to hit singles and doubles. I can get behind that.

The cupboard is bare. We had some truly ridiculous players in uniform this season. Part of this rebuild will be replenishing the depth on this team. Both for what it means in games on the court and to rebuild an asset base to eventually make some depth/future for talent trades.

We've been on the other side of some talent for depth deals recently and it doesn't feel great.
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Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#891 » by JShuttlesworth » Sun Jun 9, 2024 10:54 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Indeed wrote:
agkagk wrote:
100% this team is adding a young cheap rim runner to backup jakub

Kelly’s there to babysit him lol

Like bare minimum, jaxton hayes for the min or someone similar!


I hope we are not filling a backup with our mid first, but I guess we are limited to rotation player on this draft.


Going into any draft a starter at 19 isn't the likely outcome


I'm surprised anyone has the expectation that the 19th pick would be a starter
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Post#892 » by bobbyp3588 » Sun Jun 9, 2024 11:14 am

bballsparkin wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:
That statement may be factually correct but we were what the first team ever to win a championship with no starting player picked in the lotto or top 14? Hell Fred was not a top 60 selection, Paskal 27th, OG 23rd, Lowry 22nd... Kawhi 15th and dealt. Norm was picked 46 or something. Providing we don't pick a point guard? I like our shot at high rotation value. Do not think we'll have a centre in this draft unless Edey is there at 19. I'd have no problem going Holmes, Mogbo and acquiring or signing PJ Hall or Enrique Freeman.


JV #5, DD #9, T Ross # 8 etc. Players on the championship team were acquired via the lottery. Fake news bro.

I like Hall too. Strange draft, should be fun.


Nah man…. You got a fake brain.

Not one lottery pick on the championship squad.

Where are JV’s, DD’s and TRoss’s rings? They don’t exist.
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Post#893 » by Indeed » Sun Jun 9, 2024 11:34 am

JShuttlesworth wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
Indeed wrote:
I hope we are not filling a backup with our mid first, but I guess we are limited to rotation player on this draft.


Going into any draft a starter at 19 isn't the likely outcome


I'm surprised anyone has the expectation that the 19th pick would be a starter


Well, borderline starter could be possible, but from this draft, it would be rotational player at best, now need to even lower at the backup level.
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Post#894 » by Jtoneller1 » Sun Jun 9, 2024 11:38 am

This is where I'm at the moment. In a draft like this, combined with the Raptors situation, I think you need to draft based on highest perceived floor. Focus on guys who can at least fit a role as a regular rotation player. This team needs to increase their functional depth and come out of this draft with assets at the very least.

Would move up if the price is right:
Devin Carter: Awesome motor. Elite rebounder for a guard. Plus POA defender. High 3PAr with a high degree of difficulty. Floor is a really impactful back up PG who can fit in any lineup.

@ 19:
Jaylon Tyson: Not super explosive but has enough dribbling craft and shot making to get to his spots. Is not elite at anything but doesn't have a weakness either. Reminds me of Brogdon. Looks to have a high IQ on defence and is willing to muck it up. Floor is a bench creator in the 7th-8th man role who doesn't sink your defence.

Ja'Kobe Walter: Elite play finisher. Has some upside for a little more offensively due to his high FTR. Seems like his motor/compete level is there on defense, but becoming competent on this end of the floor is his swing skill. I feel very confident in his role as an elite movement shooter/play finisher at the next level. Floor is a 8th-9th man role as a movement shooter and neutral defender.

Yves Missi: An elite vertical finisher on offense and a shot blocker with some perimeter switchability on defense. Super athletic. Very fiery competitor. Huge catch radius on lobs. Has some intriguing ball handling bursts when attacking bigs in space. Good coordination. Good fit with Scottie as a lob threat and intimidating shot blocker. Again, I feel confident in him hitting his floor as a competent back up C. His ceiling is lower than the above players due to him likely never developing a jumper.

@31 (If nobody falls)

Terrence Shannon Jr.: A rare combination of competent shooting and elite rim pressure from a guard in this draft. An instant offense/6th man-type of guy who gets buckets in the mold of Kelly Oubre. Obviously, one of the most NBA ready prospects. He doesn't do enough off-the-ball or defensively to project as anything more than a bench scorer, but I feel he's being slept on due to his age and legal concerns.

K.J Simpson: A smaller guard who is nevertheless an elite shooter with the potential to play on or off the ball. Has enough juice and craft to get to his spots. Has good hands on defence and can sneak around screens. High IQ playmaker with great feel. Tremendous improvement speaks to his work ethic and desire to get better (much like Carter). Floor is a competent 10th-12th man on a good team.

Ryan Dunn: A generational defender who makes plays all over the court. A really good open floor athlete who can throw down some impressive dunks in space. An absolutely atrocious offense player in the half court. He is my ceiling swing as his floor likely results in him being out of the league before his rookie contract. I would be more comfortable drafting him beyond 31 to be honest. If he can shoot a standstill three and then use that gravity to attack closeouts in straight lines, you have an OG level of value.

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Post#895 » by Jerry Lucas » Sun Jun 9, 2024 12:24 pm

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OAKLEY_2 wrote:Was watching William Loo interview David Thorpe. He said, with very little in the way of diplomacy, Scottie's development into an "all NBA player", Dick's getting sorted on defence and Barrett pushing allstar status is the best way for Raps to get back to being in the win column. He was not sold on IQ probably as lead guard. (Kaboom). Says Nembhard will be much better and... do not re-up IQ unless they have made calls on people like Nembhard. WOW. Not sold on anything we are doing at the 5!!! Translation: trade Poetl and play Kelly at the 4. Conclusion? It seemed liked he was giving IQ a Gary review. Raptors M+B will rate IQ a lot higher and they will pay him. I like Poetl and Agbaji going to GSW for Wiggins and Moody. The swapping of picks is best left for someone else to figure out.


Nothing revelatory about that but I agree with Thorpe except for the part about RJ. There's no way in hell RJ becomes a +3.5 player.

But I've been saying for a while now Quickley is not a guy you want running your team. So many players' AST% went up under Darko, it's not indicative of him being ready to turn the corner to become some kind of great advantage creator. He's not even that good of a scorer because of how many 2 pt bricks he jacks up.

Thorpe has been really high on RJ for years. I'm not surprised that he's still high on him going forward now that he's on his good pal Masai's team.
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Post#896 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sun Jun 9, 2024 1:52 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
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AkelaLoneWolf wrote:Quickley won’t run our offense. Barnes will. Quick and Barrett can conceivably put up 40-42 ppg on reasonable efficiency next year. That’s nothing to scoff at.


This was Quickley's first taste against starters full time and his TS% was hot garbage. I don't buy it. There's no reason to buy it.


Wouldn't really call a .564 TS% hot garbage.


For a soon to be 25 year old whose major skill is scoring it is. Tied for 32nd worst among qualified players with a considerable amount of the guys beneath him being 19, 20 or 21 years of age. The margin of error is incredibly slim in the NBA.

It also isn't encouraging that he was atrocious over 175 minutes of playoff time last year when things tighten up.
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Post#897 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sun Jun 9, 2024 1:56 pm

It's all good though as long as Darko realizes Quickley is a GTJ replacement and not a 2nd option. If he continues to get to jack up 15 shots a night this team is going nowhere fast.
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Post#898 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sun Jun 9, 2024 2:10 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Draft measurement wise seems to agree on this.
Our previous defense also failed with quicker defenders without a shot blocker, so I am unsure what would be the best defensive system these days, as we ended up finding an actual C who can set hard screen and protect the paint.

If we’re going to compare white guys filipowski looks more like jak. Remember that jak is 28. Edey will slow down more as he ages and puts on more muscle.
We need like a ware or missi type center. Rim running help defense playing type.

Ware is my dream, but Edey is not a bad consolation prize. I’m not sold on Missi outside of his running and dunking. I know a lot of teams can use that, but we need a hub at the 5 and Missi isn’t that.


We do not know with certainty how 7'4 and 7'11 wingspan and truckload of NCAA accolades will translate any more than Ware and his low motor red flag at half mast or low volume 3 point shooting. Question marks all around.
If were me I would be gambling on the freak of nature to learn against Jokic, Embiid and Porzingis. There would be modest expectations on starting meaning no pressure to shop or ship out Poetl. Then as added "enrichment" we have a cloister of Olympians doing those obligations as offseason program. Olynyk, Barrett, Edey and if paying attention maybe Wiggins. That would be a whole new culture in Raptorland that we do not have to bet on. It would be Scottie and the Olympians. That's a pretty decent identity and Darko has the same dna. Whoever the Raps want they do have trade capital to sweeten the pot.
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Post#899 » by Rapsfan07 » Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:11 pm

I see a lot of Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Tony Allen in Ryan Dunn and for that reason, I'd probably stay away. He has the skill to be a spectacular defender but on offense, you'll be playing 4 on 5.

You just can't win in today's NBA with a player like that playing significant minutes.
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Post#900 » by pharring » Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:21 pm

Jtoneller1 wrote:
@31 (If nobody falls)

Terrence Shannon Jr.: A rare combination of competent shooting and elite rim pressure from a guard in this draft. An instant offense/6th man-type of guy who gets buckets in the mold of Kelly Oubre. Obviously, one of the most NBA ready prospects. He doesn't do enough off-the-ball or defensively to project as anything more than a bench scorer, but I feel he's being slept on due to his age and legal concerns.

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