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Post#561 » by OxAndFox » Sat Jun 8, 2024 12:03 am

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KF10 wrote:Don’t like Kuzma. He is an upgrade over Barnes for sure but he doesn’t raise the ceiling of this team. I have concerns about him when he went to Washington. He wants to be an influencer instead of a winning basketball player. I wouldn’t touch him unless we can get him without sacrificing the #13.

Ingram is a serious upgrade and would raise this team’s ceiling. But his health issues is a big concern.

And if you guys heard that interview from Javale McGee a couple of days ago, it pretty much confirms my concerns that this team is mentally weak and lacks competitive fire.

Adding Ingram, who has a bland, nonchalant emote personality, isn’t something that will help this team’s problem. It just keeps things more or less the same.

Both players are flawed as hell. But if you want to swing for the fences, Ingram is your guy. I just hope he plays more on a consistent basis and shows some emotion every once in a while.

We already have a lot of players on the roster who are “laid-back” “lead by example” types. We need more dawgs and enforcers on this team.

Spot on IMO.
The McGee interview was damning. Brown has tried and tried to get Fox and Sabonis to be leaders. They're fine in that they lead by example, but what this team needs is a vocal leader that will keep everyone on track. As you say, more Dawgs!
I don't see anyone out there that can truly fix that and is a legitimate target of the Kings.
They're all pretty much the same. Kuzma, Grant, Ingram. They're offensively gifted players that might just tune the likes of Sabonis and Fox out. I don't think Ingram would do that, so he is the guy that I would also take a chance on.


not based in much but my beliefs lol.

Ingram has always had that I'm high look like he rather be elsewhere. Blessed with a lot of skills but doesn't seem to get any better.

On the other hand, Kuzma has done more with less talent, and has worked to where he is.

I've been a vocal anti trading 13 for Kuzma. But I'd rather have Kuzma. I think he fills more needs and vocally I think he's more of a leader than Ingram. I remember young Kuzma barking at Hield that he had to guard him because Bogdan was BBQ Chicken. He rebounds better, drives better, plays tougher.

I don't want either, but Ive never been an Ingram guy

I have the same thoughts on how Ingram always looks. :lol:
That is the thing that gives me pause and a lot of people point to his lack of true desire.

Good points on Kuzma, I just don't think he has it in him either. He is a poor shooter that clearly doesn't care about winning. He's more about looks than anything else. That really turns me off him.
Then you hear how the Locked On Wizards guy talks about him and you go, are we talking about the same Kuzma here?
I did have to laugh though when he said, in a positive way, Kuzma knew the Wizards were going to rebuild, but he was okay with that and wanted to be the #1 option during the rebuild.
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Re: 2023-24 General Thread 

Post#562 » by typedrat » Sat Jun 8, 2024 12:15 am

I'll be honest, this is another part of why I like Deni for this team so much. He's a very vocal dude!
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Post#563 » by OxAndFox » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:02 am

typedrat wrote:I'll be honest, this is another part of why I like Deni for this team so much. He's a very vocal dude!


It would take Keegan to get him out of there though.
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Re: 2023-24 General Thread 

Post#564 » by codydaze » Sat Jun 8, 2024 2:35 pm

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Not sure how reliable this is and he's on a guaranteed deal so he can't just leave. If there's any weight to this though then he's probably getting traded.
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Post#565 » by LightTheBeam » Sat Jun 8, 2024 4:42 pm

Not mad about Sasha. I said a bunch last off-season the signing didn't make sense. He projected too similarly to a worse version of Lyles.

He can be a sniper in this league, but he's not that young, and doesn't do enough to be more than a 15mpg guy. I'm sure we trade him.
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Re: 2023-24 General Thread 

Post#566 » by typedrat » Sat Jun 8, 2024 7:07 pm

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typedrat wrote:I'll be honest, this is another part of why I like Deni for this team so much. He's a very vocal dude!


It would take Keegan to get him out of there though.


I don't see why you'd think that. The entire reason the Wizards would be trading Deni is that they're not going to be out of their tank until he will be leaving in free agency...
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Post#567 » by OxAndFox » Sat Jun 8, 2024 8:24 pm

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Not sure how reliable this is and he's on a guaranteed deal so he can't just leave. If there's any weight to this though then he's probably getting traded.


That's disappointing if true. Didn't get a chance here and this looks like he will return to Europe.
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Post#568 » by OxAndFox » Sat Jun 8, 2024 8:33 pm

typedrat wrote:
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typedrat wrote:I'll be honest, this is another part of why I like Deni for this team so much. He's a very vocal dude!


It would take Keegan to get him out of there though.


I don't see why you'd think that. The entire reason the Wizards would be trading Deni is that they're not going to be out of their tank until he will be leaving in free agency...


Deni isn't a guy they would be looking at trading though. Particularly given his improvement. No amount of picks, other than a crazy offer from a team with an abundance of picks would be enough.
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Re: 2023-24 General Thread 

Post#569 » by BoogieTime » Sat Jun 8, 2024 10:47 pm

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codydaze wrote:
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Not sure how reliable this is and he's on a guaranteed deal so he can't just leave. If there's any weight to this though then he's probably getting traded.


That's disappointing if true. Didn't get a chance here and this looks like he will return to Europe.


He did, and Brown saw the same stuff in practice/games I did
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Re: 2023-24 General Thread 

Post#570 » by BoogieTime » Sat Jun 8, 2024 10:57 pm

typedrat wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
typedrat wrote:I'll be honest, this is another part of why I like Deni for this team so much. He's a very vocal dude!


It would take Keegan to get him out of there though.


I don't see why you'd think that. The entire reason the Wizards would be trading Deni is that they're not going to be out of their tank until he will be leaving in free agency...


He’s 23 and not particularly a scorer/prolific type to win you games, so I doubt Wizards are concerned. He’s not a guy they would move
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Post#571 » by OxAndFox » Sun Jun 9, 2024 1:50 am

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OxAndFox wrote:
codydaze wrote:
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Not sure how reliable this is and he's on a guaranteed deal so he can't just leave. If there's any weight to this though then he's probably getting traded.


That's disappointing if true. Didn't get a chance here and this looks like he will return to Europe.


He did, and Brown saw the same stuff in practice/games I did


No he didn't. Let's be realistic here FFS.
The entire Kings brass went over and practically begged him to come over. They knew what he is and was. Yet they still put everything in, then Brown changes from an all out offense which is fine. Sasha proves he can hang on the defensive end and still gets glued to the bench.

The proof was in the pudding that his best games come against the best opposition. I wonder if some of the other players got glued to the bench being far worse defenders than he and Huerter, yet it never gets mentioned. HMMM.
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Re: 2023-24 General Thread 

Post#572 » by BoogieTime » Sun Jun 9, 2024 2:28 am

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BoogieTime wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
That's disappointing if true. Didn't get a chance here and this looks like he will return to Europe.


He did, and Brown saw the same stuff in practice/games I did


No he didn't. Let's be realistic here FFS.
The entire Kings brass went over and practically begged him to come over. They knew what he is and was. Yet they still put everything in, then Brown changes from an all out offense which is fine. Sasha proves he can hang on the defensive end and still gets glued to the bench.

The proof was in the pudding that his best games come against the best opposition. I wonder if some of the other players got glued to the bench being far worse defenders than he and Huerter, yet it never gets mentioned. HMMM.


Best defenders in what regard? He's a big who sure as hell isn't covering the pain/protecting the rim.
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Post#573 » by OxAndFox » Sun Jun 9, 2024 3:21 am

BoogieTime wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
He did, and Brown saw the same stuff in practice/games I did


No he didn't. Let's be realistic here FFS.
The entire Kings brass went over and practically begged him to come over. They knew what he is and was. Yet they still put everything in, then Brown changes from an all out offense which is fine. Sasha proves he can hang on the defensive end and still gets glued to the bench.

The proof was in the pudding that his best games come against the best opposition. I wonder if some of the other players got glued to the bench being far worse defenders than he and Huerter, yet it never gets mentioned. HMMM.


Best defenders in what regard? He's a big who sure as hell isn't covering the pain/protecting the rim.


What are you talking about? No one has ever said, nor will they ever say, he was one of the best defenders.
I mean I know you don't watch the games, or the ones you do you've turned off by the time he gets in, but I don't think you know who Sasha Vezenkov is.
He's a big who sure as hell isn't covering the paint/protecting the rim. :lol:

We all know, well the ones that watch, know he is slow footed and that does hurt him on the defensive end. What he lacks there he absolutely makes up for with being a smart team defender.
DPM was right there with Lyles and ahead of Monk, Mitchell and Barnes.
Seeing as you like your per 36.
Offensively comes out just behind Keegan and ahead of Barnes, Huerter, Lyles, Mitchell, Duarte and Ellis. Not really great, but he offers some things that these guys don't.
He had the best TOV% on the team for players over 10 minutes per game.
Was 3rd in STL%, 3rd in ORB%, 3rd in DRB%, Equal 5th with Keegan for TS%, 4th in per which he was below average, which says something about the guys getting the minutes.

The major thing was Lyles playing 82% of his time at PF, where Sasha played 64%. This was absolutely terrible coaching by Brown. It was one of only a few things that he was terrible at this season IMO.
Lyles has and had proven to be an effective small ball 5, yet he hardly played it. That's extremely poor coaching, but that's another topic in itself.
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Re: 2023-24 General Thread 

Post#574 » by BoogieTime » Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:32 am

OxAndFox wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
No he didn't. Let's be realistic here FFS.
The entire Kings brass went over and practically begged him to come over. They knew what he is and was. Yet they still put everything in, then Brown changes from an all out offense which is fine. Sasha proves he can hang on the defensive end and still gets glued to the bench.

The proof was in the pudding that his best games come against the best opposition. I wonder if some of the other players got glued to the bench being far worse defenders than he and Huerter, yet it never gets mentioned. HMMM.


Best defenders in what regard? He's a big who sure as hell isn't covering the pain/protecting the rim.


What are you talking about? No one has ever said, nor will they ever say, he was one of the best defenders.
I mean I know you don't watch the games, or the ones you do you've turned off by the time he gets in, but I don't think you know who Sasha Vezenkov is.
He's a big who sure as hell isn't covering the paint/protecting the rim. :lol:

We all know, well the ones that watch, know he is slow footed and that does hurt him on the defensive end. What he lacks there he absolutely makes up for with being a smart team defender.
DPM was right there with Lyles and ahead of Monk, Mitchell and Barnes.
Seeing as you like your per 36.
Offensively comes out just behind Keegan and ahead of Barnes, Huerter, Lyles, Mitchell, Duarte and Ellis. Not really great, but he offers some things that these guys don't.
He had the best TOV% on the team for players over 10 minutes per game.
Was 3rd in STL%, 3rd in ORB%, 3rd in DRB%, Equal 5th with Keegan for TS%, 4th in per which he was below average, which says something about the guys getting the minutes.

The major thing was Lyles playing 82% of his time at PF, where Sasha played 64%. This was absolutely terrible coaching by Brown. It was one of only a few things that he was terrible at this season IMO.
Lyles has and had proven to be an effective small ball 5, yet he hardly played it. That's extremely poor coaching, but that's another topic in itself.


your dumb "not watching the games" is getting old...

I mentioned I didn't watch one game in one game thread and you've seemingly latched onto it for who knows what reason.

per 36 for players who play small amounts of minutes is pretty meaningless

Lyles is a better interior defender, and just overall player, making Sasha moot
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Re: 2023-24 General Thread 

Post#575 » by OxAndFox » Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:46 am

BoogieTime wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
Best defenders in what regard? He's a big who sure as hell isn't covering the pain/protecting the rim.


What are you talking about? No one has ever said, nor will they ever say, he was one of the best defenders.
I mean I know you don't watch the games, or the ones you do you've turned off by the time he gets in, but I don't think you know who Sasha Vezenkov is.
He's a big who sure as hell isn't covering the paint/protecting the rim. :lol:

We all know, well the ones that watch, know he is slow footed and that does hurt him on the defensive end. What he lacks there he absolutely makes up for with being a smart team defender.
DPM was right there with Lyles and ahead of Monk, Mitchell and Barnes.
Seeing as you like your per 36.
Offensively comes out just behind Keegan and ahead of Barnes, Huerter, Lyles, Mitchell, Duarte and Ellis. Not really great, but he offers some things that these guys don't.
He had the best TOV% on the team for players over 10 minutes per game.
Was 3rd in STL%, 3rd in ORB%, 3rd in DRB%, Equal 5th with Keegan for TS%, 4th in per which he was below average, which says something about the guys getting the minutes.

The major thing was Lyles playing 82% of his time at PF, where Sasha played 64%. This was absolutely terrible coaching by Brown. It was one of only a few things that he was terrible at this season IMO.
Lyles has and had proven to be an effective small ball 5, yet he hardly played it. That's extremely poor coaching, but that's another topic in itself.


your dumb "not watching the games" is getting old...

I mentioned I didn't watch one game in one game thread and you've seemingly latched onto it for who knows what reason.

per 36 for players who play small amounts of minutes is pretty meaningless


Oh look. Boogietime Boxscore Bandit moves the goal posts.

This was just recently. Is this the time? Nah it wasn't. But you know that.
"Didn’t watch the game but what is Fox doing going 5-19 while Brunson is pouring in 42?
Looks like they took Domas out of his rhythm a bit on his passing
Huerter is bad and shouldn’t start and needs to be dumped, what is new
Keegan more bad offense"

Look we know you don't watch all the time, and no one expects any of us to, it's just not always possible, but you said you don't need to watch to know what happened, you can tell from the box score. You must be special to know how a game went from just the box score. Like the doozy from above "Looks like they took Domas out of his rhythm a bit on his passing" yet didn't watch the game. :lol:

Anywhooo.
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Re: 2023-24 General Thread 

Post#576 » by BoogieTime » Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:52 am

OxAndFox wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
What are you talking about? No one has ever said, nor will they ever say, he was one of the best defenders.
I mean I know you don't watch the games, or the ones you do you've turned off by the time he gets in, but I don't think you know who Sasha Vezenkov is.
He's a big who sure as hell isn't covering the paint/protecting the rim. :lol:

We all know, well the ones that watch, know he is slow footed and that does hurt him on the defensive end. What he lacks there he absolutely makes up for with being a smart team defender.
DPM was right there with Lyles and ahead of Monk, Mitchell and Barnes.
Seeing as you like your per 36.
Offensively comes out just behind Keegan and ahead of Barnes, Huerter, Lyles, Mitchell, Duarte and Ellis. Not really great, but he offers some things that these guys don't.
He had the best TOV% on the team for players over 10 minutes per game.
Was 3rd in STL%, 3rd in ORB%, 3rd in DRB%, Equal 5th with Keegan for TS%, 4th in per which he was below average, which says something about the guys getting the minutes.

The major thing was Lyles playing 82% of his time at PF, where Sasha played 64%. This was absolutely terrible coaching by Brown. It was one of only a few things that he was terrible at this season IMO.
Lyles has and had proven to be an effective small ball 5, yet he hardly played it. That's extremely poor coaching, but that's another topic in itself.


your dumb "not watching the games" is getting old...

I mentioned I didn't watch one game in one game thread and you've seemingly latched onto it for who knows what reason.

per 36 for players who play small amounts of minutes is pretty meaningless


Oh look. Boogietime Boxscore Bandit moves the goal posts.

This was just recently. Is this the time? Nah it wasn't. But you know that.
"Didn’t watch the game but what is Fox doing going 5-19 while Brunson is pouring in 42?
Looks like they took Domas out of his rhythm a bit on his passing
Huerter is bad and shouldn’t start and needs to be dumped, what is new
Keegan more bad offense"

Look we know you don't watch all the time, and no one expects any of us to, it's just not always possible, but you said you don't need to watch to know what happened, you can tell from the box score. You must be special to know how a game went from just the box score. Like the doozy from above "Looks like they took Domas out of his rhythm a bit on his passing" yet didn't watch the game. :lol:

Anywhooo.


I watch about 75 percent of the minutes, and? Who cares. Who needs to watch all the games or does on this board? People can watch one game of someone, or highlights of someone, like most national reporters, and have something to say about a player
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Re: 2023-24 General Thread 

Post#577 » by BoogieTime » Sun Jun 9, 2024 5:06 am

BoogieTime wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
your dumb "not watching the games" is getting old...

I mentioned I didn't watch one game in one game thread and you've seemingly latched onto it for who knows what reason.

per 36 for players who play small amounts of minutes is pretty meaningless


Oh look. Boogietime Boxscore Bandit moves the goal posts.

This was just recently. Is this the time? Nah it wasn't. But you know that.
"Didn’t watch the game but what is Fox doing going 5-19 while Brunson is pouring in 42?
Looks like they took Domas out of his rhythm a bit on his passing
Huerter is bad and shouldn’t start and needs to be dumped, what is new
Keegan more bad offense"

Look we know you don't watch all the time, and no one expects any of us to, it's just not always possible, but you said you don't need to watch to know what happened, you can tell from the box score. You must be special to know how a game went from just the box score. Like the doozy from above "Looks like they took Domas out of his rhythm a bit on his passing" yet didn't watch the game. :lol:

Anywhooo.


I watch about 75 percent of the minutes, and? Who cares. Who needs to watch all the games or does on this board? People can watch one game of someone, or highlights of someone, like most national reporters, and have something to say about a player


And why couldn't I make the post you quoted? What was factually wrong? lol.

Why can someone not look at a boxscore and understand the traits of his team?
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Post#578 » by BoogieTime » Sun Jun 9, 2024 5:25 am

BoogieTime wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
Oh look. Boogietime Boxscore Bandit moves the goal posts.

This was just recently. Is this the time? Nah it wasn't. But you know that.
"Didn’t watch the game but what is Fox doing going 5-19 while Brunson is pouring in 42?
Looks like they took Domas out of his rhythm a bit on his passing
Huerter is bad and shouldn’t start and needs to be dumped, what is new
Keegan more bad offense"

Look we know you don't watch all the time, and no one expects any of us to, it's just not always possible, but you said you don't need to watch to know what happened, you can tell from the box score. You must be special to know how a game went from just the box score. Like the doozy from above "Looks like they took Domas out of his rhythm a bit on his passing" yet didn't watch the game. :lol:

Anywhooo.


I watch about 75 percent of the minutes, and? Who cares. Who needs to watch all the games or does on this board? People can watch one game of someone, or highlights of someone, like most national reporters, and have something to say about a player


And why couldn't I make the post you quoted? What was factually wrong? lol.

Why can someone not look at a boxscore and understand the traits of his team?


I didn't mean to just dismiss your stats

you put in some time, and I respect why you personally feel the way about Sasha statically.

but, per 36? I say that about Monk, but what about Colby's or Slawson's 36? Does Colby have the best per 36 on the team? Its a weird way to analyze with players who play few minutes
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Post#579 » by sunsbg » Sun Jun 9, 2024 7:13 am

Guys, send my boy Vezenkov to Suns, we'll send you Nassir Little back. Contracts match perfectly.

I don't think Sasha wants back to Europe. He just doesn't like getting DNPs for the likes of Toscano-Anderson.
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Post#580 » by codydaze » Sun Jun 9, 2024 2:35 pm

OxAndFox wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
What are you talking about? No one has ever said, nor will they ever say, he was one of the best defenders.
I mean I know you don't watch the games, or the ones you do you've turned off by the time he gets in, but I don't think you know who Sasha Vezenkov is.
He's a big who sure as hell isn't covering the paint/protecting the rim. :lol:

We all know, well the ones that watch, know he is slow footed and that does hurt him on the defensive end. What he lacks there he absolutely makes up for with being a smart team defender.
DPM was right there with Lyles and ahead of Monk, Mitchell and Barnes.
Seeing as you like your per 36.
Offensively comes out just behind Keegan and ahead of Barnes, Huerter, Lyles, Mitchell, Duarte and Ellis. Not really great, but he offers some things that these guys don't.
He had the best TOV% on the team for players over 10 minutes per game.
Was 3rd in STL%, 3rd in ORB%, 3rd in DRB%, Equal 5th with Keegan for TS%, 4th in per which he was below average, which says something about the guys getting the minutes.

The major thing was Lyles playing 82% of his time at PF, where Sasha played 64%. This was absolutely terrible coaching by Brown. It was one of only a few things that he was terrible at this season IMO.
Lyles has and had proven to be an effective small ball 5, yet he hardly played it. That's extremely poor coaching, but that's another topic in itself.


your dumb "not watching the games" is getting old...

I mentioned I didn't watch one game in one game thread and you've seemingly latched onto it for who knows what reason.

per 36 for players who play small amounts of minutes is pretty meaningless


Oh look. Boogietime Boxscore Bandit moves the goal posts.

This was just recently. Is this the time? Nah it wasn't. But you know that.
"Didn’t watch the game but what is Fox doing going 5-19 while Brunson is pouring in 42?
Looks like they took Domas out of his rhythm a bit on his passing
Huerter is bad and shouldn’t start and needs to be dumped, what is new
Keegan more bad offense"

Look we know you don't watch all the time, and no one expects any of us to, it's just not always possible, but you said you don't need to watch to know what happened, you can tell from the box score. You must be special to know how a game went from just the box score. Like the doozy from above "Looks like they took Domas out of his rhythm a bit on his passing" yet didn't watch the game. :lol:

Anywhooo.


Valid basketball discussions here but let's keep it to that and avoid making things personal

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