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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#741 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sat Jun 8, 2024 6:39 pm

Passing on Walter will be a huge mistake.
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Post#742 » by Negrodamus » Sat Jun 8, 2024 9:57 pm

I’m interested in Walter, but he doesn’t take many shots near the rim, but generates FTr pretty well. Was he a foul merchant at Baylor? His percentages are pretty piss poor which gives me concern.
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Post#743 » by Negrodamus » Sat Jun 8, 2024 11:55 pm

I honestly think Furphy is the answer. Does everything with high effort. Has star indicator stats. Could be an immediate role player if he puts on weight. And he’s super young. Kind of a Springer pick but with better scoring upside. Also a wing, which we need.
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Post#744 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun Jun 9, 2024 3:24 am

Think I've turned to team Da Silva.

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Post#745 » by 76ciology » Sun Jun 9, 2024 3:41 am

76ciology wrote:Jaylon Tyson.
16.9DRB%
23.5 AST%
3 level scorer
plays both ends
2 stl%
Can run PnR

He looks like a bigger version of Devin Carter.


This guy looks like the perfect SG for us.

Elite length at SG with 6’7” height
Elite rebounder at G position
Great in shot creation and PnR
3 level scorer
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Post#746 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jun 9, 2024 12:46 pm

76ciology wrote:Pacome Dadiet official measurements:

6’7.75” height without shoes
216.8 pounds
6’9” wingspan
8’11.5” standing reach
36” vert


I like this guy, but he might not be a contributor for a few years. He's still only 18 and he only played 15 mpg for his international team. Definitely intriguing size and shooting ability, though. Would be amazing on the wing for us, down the line. 2nd round pick range target IMO.
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Post#747 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jun 9, 2024 12:50 pm

76ciology wrote:
76ciology wrote:Jaylon Tyson.
16.9DRB%
23.5 AST%
3 level scorer
plays both ends
2 stl%
Can run PnR

He looks like a bigger version of Devin Carter.


This guy looks like the perfect SG for us.

Elite length at SG with 6’7” height
Elite rebounder at G position
Great in shot creation and PnR
3 level scorer

I liked him a lot for a bit. Two things that cooled me on him are his 3PAr and his FTAr being a little substandard.

Guys with low 3PAr better be drawing contact and getting to the free throw line.

Guys with low FTAr better be at least be slinging from deep and spacing the floor.

He does neither thing exceptionally.
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Post#748 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jun 9, 2024 1:45 pm

The more I watch of Klintman, the more I'm interested in making him the pick. He is just so much more fluid at his size than any of the other PFs in this draft that aren't projected top 5. He also runs the court better and more frequently in these full game tapes than any other big man I've watched. Mixed with his deflections and solid shooting form, FT%, and willingness to shoot from the outside... he has intriguing potential. Guys like Tyler Smith just don't create any offense for themselves. Purely letting it rip from outside. Klintman had a .379 FTr, so he was definitely getting to the line and wasn't purely a C&S player.

I wish he had transferred to a different college or did anything other than the NBL since it's hard to get a real feel for his progress. Obviously Wake was a bust for him. Otherwise, I have no real reservations based on what I've seen so far; however not having a proven statistical backing, it's a pretty big reservation.
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Post#749 » by Jailblazers7 » Sun Jun 9, 2024 2:43 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Think I've turned to team Da Silva.

Shannon Jr.'s timeline will take the darkest path if he joins the Sixers.


Yeah I think Da Silva might ultimately be my pick too. He’s just a super smart & versatile role player who can fit into any lineup. Good movement shooter, attacks close outs well, good cutter, and can even post up smaller guys. I could see the Heat taking him at 15 and everyone wondering how they got another steal.
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Post#750 » by Stanford » Sun Jun 9, 2024 2:45 pm

It is a sure thing that we have pick 16 or could we still slide to 19?
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Post#751 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:43 pm

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ProcessDoctor wrote:Think I've turned to team Da Silva.

Shannon Jr.'s timeline will take the darkest path if he joins the Sixers.


Yeah I think Da Silva might ultimately be my pick too. He’s just a super smart & versatile role player who can fit into any lineup. Good movement shooter, attacks close outs well, good cutter, and can even post up smaller guys. I could see the Heat taking him at 15 and everyone wondering how they got another steal.


He'd be a nice Batum replacement, who I get the feeling isn't returning. Just a hunch.
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Post#752 » by Arsenal » Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:37 am

Negrodamus wrote:The more I watch of Klintman, the more I'm interested in making him the pick. He is just so much more fluid at his size than any of the other PFs in this draft that aren't projected top 5. He also runs the court better and more frequently in these full game tapes than any other big man I've watched. Mixed with his deflections and solid shooting form, FT%, and willingness to shoot from the outside... he has intriguing potential. Guys like Tyler Smith just don't create any offense for themselves. Purely letting it rip from outside. Klintman had a .379 FTr, so he was definitely getting to the line and wasn't purely a C&S player.

I wish he had transferred to a different college or did anything other than the NBL since it's hard to get a real feel for his progress. Obviously Wake was a bust for him. Otherwise, I have no real reservations based on what I've seen so far; however not having a proven statistical backing, it's a pretty big reservation.


The slander on DaRon Holmes’ insane .724 FTr!
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Post#753 » by Arsenal » Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:41 am

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Jailblazers7 wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Think I've turned to team Da Silva.

Shannon Jr.'s timeline will take the darkest path if he joins the Sixers.


Yeah I think Da Silva might ultimately be my pick too. He’s just a super smart & versatile role player who can fit into any lineup. Good movement shooter, attacks close outs well, good cutter, and can even post up smaller guys. I could see the Heat taking him at 15 and everyone wondering how they got another steal.


He'd be a nice Batum replacement, who I get the feeling isn't returning. Just a hunch.


I just can’t get over the lack of rebounding. Call it trauma from the Knicks series.
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Post#754 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:58 am

Arsenal wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:The more I watch of Klintman, the more I'm interested in making him the pick. He is just so much more fluid at his size than any of the other PFs in this draft that aren't projected top 5. He also runs the court better and more frequently in these full game tapes than any other big man I've watched. Mixed with his deflections and solid shooting form, FT%, and willingness to shoot from the outside... he has intriguing potential. Guys like Tyler Smith just don't create any offense for themselves. Purely letting it rip from outside. Klintman had a .379 FTr, so he was definitely getting to the line and wasn't purely a C&S player.

I wish he had transferred to a different college or did anything other than the NBL since it's hard to get a real feel for his progress. Obviously Wake was a bust for him. Otherwise, I have no real reservations based on what I've seen so far; however not having a proven statistical backing, it's a pretty big reservation.


The slander on DaRon Holmes’ insane .724 FTr!


I keep watching him and all I see is an undersized C who can hit C&S 3s, which is valuable. He’s like a thicker Paul Reed, but not quite as mobile.
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Post#755 » by Jailblazers7 » Mon Jun 10, 2024 12:04 pm

Arsenal wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:
Yeah I think Da Silva might ultimately be my pick too. He’s just a super smart & versatile role player who can fit into any lineup. Good movement shooter, attacks close outs well, good cutter, and can even post up smaller guys. I could see the Heat taking him at 15 and everyone wondering how they got another steal.


He'd be a nice Batum replacement, who I get the feeling isn't returning. Just a hunch.


I just can’t get over the lack of rebounding. Call it trauma from the Knicks series.


Yeah, the reason I’m on the fence with him is rebounding & athleticism. But if he had those things he’d be an easy top 10 pick so that’s just the gamble you have to take at 16. I think he’s such an obvious offensive fit that I’d gamble on him filling out and become a better rebounder with time.
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Post#756 » by mjkvol » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:06 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
He'd be a nice Batum replacement, who I get the feeling isn't returning. Just a hunch.


I just can’t get over the lack of rebounding. Call it trauma from the Knicks series.


Yeah, the reason I’m on the fence with him is rebounding & athleticism. But if he had those things he’d be an easy top 10 pick so that’s just the gamble you have to take at 16. I think he’s such an obvious offensive fit that I’d gamble on him filling out and become a better rebounder with time.


Agree. Rebounding is all about box out technique and especially effort, and is something that can be developed at this level. He is already elite in areas that are harder to develop as a pro.
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Post#757 » by Stanford » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:15 pm

Don't you think there's also an unteachable aspect to rebounding? Some guys just seem to know where the ball is going and how best to get to it. And some guys don't.
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Post#758 » by Monix » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:45 pm

Stanford wrote:Don't you think there's also an unteachable aspect to rebounding? Some guys just seem to know where the ball is going and how best to get to it. And some guys don't.

agreed, I don't think rebounding is something that tends to improve as a pro

there's a physicality and knack for coming up with the ball that either you have or you don't, if anything numbers decrease as the size and athleticism gets maxed out at the NBA level
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Post#759 » by Jailblazers7 » Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:06 pm

Yeah, I think rebounding tends to translate between levels. But Da Silva is pretty thin so the hope I would have is that it becomes less of a weakness for him as his body develops. He’s a high IQ player with good instincts tho.

A risk with him is that he could be a tweeter forward. Not quite athletic enough to be a SF but not sturdy enough to be a PF.
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Post#760 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:11 pm

Stanford wrote:Don't you think there's also an unteachable aspect to rebounding? Some guys just seem to know where the ball is going and how best to get to it. And some guys don't.


I was watching one of these YouTube prospect breakdown videos of probably Devin Carter and the guy was talking about how one of his scout contacts mentions the one sure-fire translatable skill from college to the pros is rebounding. If the player has a natural nose for the ball and willingness to go after it, then they'll display that at the next level.

That's why guys like Harrison Ingram intrigue me in the second round. Also another reason why I'm interested in Carrington. If nothing else, it displays effort which can make or break a prospect.

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