2024 Draft Thread - Part II

[NatP4]

Dadiet will sneak into the lottery.

His last 10 games (per36): 19.6 points 7.8 rebounds 1.5 assists 1.3 steals 1.9 turnovers on 74.7% TS.

Has to improve defensively, but has a great motor and all the physical tools on that end. His rim finishing/shooting are elite. Devin Vassell clone.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Why isn’t Daron Holmes in the lottery conversation?

Holmes age 21 per36: 22.6 points 9.4 rebounds 2.9 assists 2.3 blocks 1.0 steals 2.5 turnovers 62.7% TS

Horford age 21 per 36: 17.1 points 12.3 rebounds 2.7 assists 2.4 blocks 1.0 steals 2.3 turnovers 62.4% TS

Horford measured 6’8 without shoes, 7’0.75” wingspan, 246 lbs. Holmes measured 6’8.75” without shoes, 7’1 wingspan, 236 lbs.

Horford went 3rd overall. 5 time all star, DPOY candidate.

The steal of the draft would be Holmes at 26.

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[SUPERBALLMAN]

Dadiet will sneak into the lottery.

His last 10 games (per36): 19.6 points 7.8 rebounds 1.5 assists 1.3 steals 1.9 turnovers on 74.7% TS.

Has to improve defensively, but has a great motor and all the physical tools on that end. His rim finishing/shooting are elite.

I hope he's there for us at 26.

Consensus has him 36. The Ringer has him 26, Draft Room 28, Bleacher Report 29

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10123676-2024-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-and-pro-comparisons

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Why isn’t Daron Holmes in the lottery conversation?

Holmes age 21 per36: 22.6 points 9.4 rebounds 2.9 assusts 2.3 blocks 1.0 steals 2.5 turnovers 62.7% TS

Horford age 21 per 36: 17.1 points 12.3 rebounds 2.7 assists 2.4 blocks 1.0 steals 2.3 turnovers 62.4% TS

Horford measured 6’8 without shoes, 7’0.75” wingspan, 246 lbs. Holmes measured 6’8.75” without shoes, 7’1 wingspan, 236 lbs.

Horford went 3rd overall. 5 time all star, DPOY candidate.

Horford's two NCAA championships might have something to do with it.

Joakim Noah helped Horford. Horford has proven his worth by having a superior career.

I think Al Horford is playing his best basketball. He was worth that lottery pick.

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[NatP4]

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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Our cupboard is bare of centers after next-season, we could be game-planning a different board with extra pick(s) for Kuzma, Clingan is expected to be off the board by 6 supposedly, we gotta check him out.

We need to trade for Jalen Smith if Indiana is willing to virtually give him away.

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[Kanyewest]

Hard to win a championship playing for Dayton.

Holmes has to be the most obvious late 1st round steal of all time. Just don’t understand why he’s not flying up the board in this draft. We’ve circled the wagons on just about everyone else in relation to the lottery: Collier, Salaun, Carter, Kel’el Ware, Cody Williams, Carrington, Edey. You name it.

Competition at Dayton also weaker.

I mentioned him many pages ago. But he did play in an arguably weaker conference.
While I trust the new mgmt team, he's definitely a guy (Holmes) who I would think deserves a look
and consideration. Kolek too. But one could say that about a bunch of guys in this 'weak draft'.
In 3-5 years, will it be the usual suspects that knew how to discern trash from treasure? I wouldn't be
surprised.

IOW, what many on the board are saying.

Yeah, perhaps he will turn out to be a good player. Just thought the Horford analogy was a stretch given that Horford was a borderline #1 pick caliber player with Durant/Oden in his draft. Perhaps offensively Holmes can compare to Horford but Horford was a much better defender. ie the Wizards shouldn't be taking Holmes in the top 5.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I was the creator of ABC back in the day (Anybody but Childress, Josh) so I will happily share ABR (Anybody but Risacher) at 2. I like the arguments for Sheppard but I would still likely take Sarr or Clingan, but I'm also a dinosaur.

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I drove the Josh Childress bus. I even kept insisting he was a very good player years into his mediocre at best career.

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[gambitx777]

I am all in on Sheppard and dillingham. Those two are gonna be really decent. I hope we don't fall into the euro trap this year.


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[dobrojim]

Competition at Dayton also weaker.

I mentioned him many pages ago. But he did play in an arguably weaker conference.
While I trust the new mgmt team, he's definitely a guy (Holmes) who I would think deserves a look
and consideration. Kolek too. But one could say that about a bunch of guys in this 'weak draft'.
In 3-5 years, will it be the usual suspects that knew how to discern trash from treasure? I wouldn't be
surprised.

IOW, what many on the board are saying.

Yeah, perhaps he will turn out to be a good player. Just thought the Horford analogy was a stretch given that Horford was a borderline #1 pick caliber player with Durant/Oden in his draft. Perhaps offensively Holmes can compare to Horford but Horford was a much better defender. ie the Wizards shouldn't be taking Holmes in the top 5.

I agree that the Horford analogy is a stretch. Horford won 2 chips at FL on a loaded team
but he was also perhaps the best player on that team although that maybe wasn't completely
clear until they went to play in the NBA. Taking Holmes by trading for multiple picks would
('could' would be a better choice of words) be an interesting and worthy move.

[tontoz]

I used to live in Atlanta and follow the Hawks. Horford used to be such a frustrating player on offense.

He insisted on posting guys up, trying to back them down and then shoot this awful jump hook. He could easily face guys up and drive past them but he refused to do it. He just kept bricking that jump hook.

He also loved shooting long 2 pt jumpers and got very good at it, but refused to shoot 3s. He would shoot 50% on long 2s and I'm like dude, just take a step or two back ffs.

He didn't start shooting 3s until his 9th season, his last in Atlanta.

[machu46]

The more I watch him, the more I think Devin Carter should be in the top 5 conversation in this draft. He's older than the guys being considered there, but there's so much to like IMO. I get very strong Louisville Donovan Mitchell vibes from him; kinda crazy because Mitchell turned into a no-defense scoring juggernaut in the NBA, but coming out of Louisville, he was built like a shorter version of Carter, same awesome strength, wingspan, and athleticism, and was known for his defense/motor much like Carter is today. I think Mitchell was a year younger than Carter back then but Carter is better than Mitchell was IMO.

At any rate, Mitchell's development path once he got to the NBA is very rare but I think Carter projects as an All-Defense type of guard while also having upside offensively. He's a tighter handle away from being a good two-way player to me and in terms of two-way guard/wing guys, I tend to think he's a better bet than Castle, Holland, etc.

[nate33]

The more I watch him, the more I think Devin Carter should be in the top 5 conversation in this draft. He's older than the guys being considered there, but there's so much to like IMO. I get very strong Louisville Donovan Mitchell vibes from him; kinda crazy because Mitchell turned into a no-defense scoring juggernaut in the NBA, but coming out of Louisville, he was built like a shorter version of Carter, same awesome strength, wingspan, and athleticism, and was known for his defense/motor much like Carter is today. I think Mitchell was a year younger than Carter back then but Carter is better than Mitchell was IMO.

At any rate, Mitchell's development path once he got to the NBA is very rare but I think Carter projects as an All-Defense type of guard while also having upside offensively. He's a tighter handle away from being a good two-way player to me and in terms of two-way guard/wing guys, I tend to think he's a better bet than Castle, Holland, etc.

I definitely think this draft requires outside the box thinking. I don't trust the "consensus" among the various draft experts this time around. I really don't see why a guy like Carter is projected in the mid teens and a guy like Daron Holmes is projected in the 20's while Cody Williams is supposed to be a lotto pick and Risacher is a #1 or #2 guy.

I don't know if I'd take Carter at #2, but I'd be fine if we traded down to #7 and #14 and picked him up at #14. I'd also be fine with some sort of Kuzma trade where we effectively trade Kuzma for the pick to draft Carter.

I don't really see much Donovan Mitchell in his game other than his stature, though. His shot release is really slow so I don't see it weaponizable as a pull-up threat unless he changes things a great deal. And his off-the-dribble game is pretty mediocre. He won't be breaking down NBA defenders anytime soon. He reminds me of Terry Rozier.

[Dat2U]

The more I watch him, the more I think Devin Carter should be in the top 5 conversation in this draft. He's older than the guys being considered there, but there's so much to like IMO. I get very strong Louisville Donovan Mitchell vibes from him; kinda crazy because Mitchell turned into a no-defense scoring juggernaut in the NBA, but coming out of Louisville, he was built like a shorter version of Carter, same awesome strength, wingspan, and athleticism, and was known for his defense/motor much like Carter is today. I think Mitchell was a year younger than Carter back then but Carter is better than Mitchell was IMO.

At any rate, Mitchell's development path once he got to the NBA is very rare but I think Carter projects as an All-Defense type of guard while also having upside offensively. He's a tighter handle away from being a good two-way player to me and in terms of two-way guard/wing guys, I tend to think he's a better bet than Castle, Holland, etc.

I definitely think this draft requires outside the box thinking. I don't trust the "consensus" among the various draft experts this time around. I really don't see why a guy like Carter is projected in the mid teens and a guy like Daron Holmes is projected in the 20's while Cody Williams is supposed to be a lotto pick and Risacher is a #1 or #2 guy.

I don't know if I'd take Carter at #2, but I'd be fine if we traded down to #7 and #14 and picked him up at #14. I'd also be fine with some sort of Kuzma trade where we effectively trade Kuzma for the pick to draft Carter.

I don't really see much Donovan Mitchell in his game other than his stature, though. His shot release is really slow so I don't see it weaponizable as a pull-up threat unless he changes things a great deal. And his off-the-dribble game is pretty mediocre. He won't be breaking down NBA defenders anytime soon. He reminds me of Terry Rozier.

I do not like Devin Carter's shot at all. He's shooting a moon ball with a hitch & stiff upper release. Basically it's a push shot reminiscent of Jarrett Culver. I don't trust that it's a shot he's cleanly getting off against longer defenders so I have major concerns about the shot translating. He's also 6-3 and will likely settle in as an off-guard or combo guard. While he's a tenacious defender with a quick first step.... as an older 6-3 wing with a questionable shot - I see limited value and utility.

[Dat2U]

I am all in on Sheppard and dillingham. Those two are gonna be really decent. I hope we don't fall into the euro trap this year.


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Agreed. Two of my top four prospects are the UK guards.

I'm fine with Sarr but I do not want Risacher under any circumstances lol.

[Dat2U]

Positional Rankings - in progress

I have 20 legitimate 1st round prospects.

Another 30 or so 2nd round prospects.

So guys considered late 1st below would be viewed as 2nd round picks in most other years.

After the top 50, I'm viewing the group as UDFAs - future two-way and exhibit-10 developmental types.

Cs
Zach Edey - Top 10
Donovan Clingan - Top 10
Kel'el Ware - Late lottery/mid 1st
Yves Missi - Late 1st
Adem Bona - Late 2nd
Ulrich Chomche - Late 2nd
Quinten Post
Oso Ighodaro
Ariel Hukporti
Jesse Edwards
N'Faly Dante

PFs
Alex Sarr (c) - Top 3
Daron Holmes II (c) - Late lottery/mid 1st
Matas Buzelis - Late lottery/mid 1st
Tristan Da Silva - Late 1st
Kyle Filipowski (c) - Late 1st
Izan Almansa (c) - Early 2nd
Bobi Klintman - Early 2nd
Tyler Smith - Early 2nd
Tidjane Salaun - Early 2nd
Keshad Johnson - Late 2nd
Enrique Freeman - Late 2nd
P.J. Hall - Late 2nd
Issac Jones
Jonathan Mogbo
Zacharie Perrin
Armel Traore
Nae'Qwan Tomlin
Bogoljub Markovic
Malique Lewis

SFs
Ron Holland - Top 3
Zaccharie Risacher - Late lottery/mid 1st
Johnny Furphy - Mid/Late 1st
Dalton Knecht - Late 1st
Kyshawn George - Late 1st
Dillon Jones - Late 1st
Cody Williams - Late 1st
Melvin Ajinca - Early 2nd
Baylor Scheierman - Early 2nd
Jalen Bridges - Mid 2nd
Jaylen Wells - Mid 2nd
Ryan Dunn - Mid 2nd
Isaiah Crawford - Mid 2nd
Justin Edwards - Late 2nd
Harrison Ingram - Late 2nd
Alex Karaban - Late 2nd
Riley Minix - Late 2nd
Payton Sandfort

SGs
Reed Sheppard - Top 5
Pacome Dadiet - Top 10
Nikola Djurisic - Late lottery/mid 1st
Jaylon Tyson - Mid/Late 1st
Devin Carter - Mid/Late 1st
Hunter Sallis - Late 1st
Trentyn Flowers - Early 2nd
Terrence Shannon Jr - Early 2nd
Ja'Kobe Walter - Early 2nd
Cam Christie - Mid 2nd
Trey Alexander - Mid 2nd
Kevin McCullar - Mid 2nd
A.J. Johnson - Mid 2nd
Antonio Reeves - Late 2nd
Cam Spencer
Pelle Larsson
Bronny James
Mantas Rubstavicius

PGs
Rob Dillingham - Top 3
Isaiah Collier - Top 5
Jared McCain - Top 10
Nikola Topic - Top 10
Carlton Carrington - Late lottery/Mid-1st
Stephon Castle - Late lottery/Mid-1st
Tyler Kolek - Late 1st
Ajay Mitchell - Late 1st
K.J. Simpson - Early 2nd
Tristen Newton - Mid 2nd
Juan Nunez - Mid 2nd
Jamal Shead
Judah Mintz
Reece Beekman

[closg00]

I am all in on Sheppard and dillingham. Those two are gonna be really decent. I hope we don't fall into the euro trap this year.


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Agreed. Two of my top four prospects are the UK guards.

I'm fine with Sarr but I do not want Risacher under any circumstances lol.

+1 also because the UK to NBA pipeline has been the most successful college program in producing NBA players.

[payitforward]

Dat: am I reading this right -- your top 5 prospects in this year's draft are Ron Holland, Rob Dillingham, & Alex Sarr followed by Reed Sheppard & Isaiah Collier.

Your top 10 is filled out by Jared McCain, Nikola Topic, Pacome Dadiet, Zach Edey & Donovan Clingan.

Thus, if we were able to turn our #2 pick (or even our #2 & 26) into 3 of those 10 guys, it seems like you'd think (& I'd concur -- along w/ pretty much everyone else here!) that we'd had an extraordinary draft. Really, I guess, even if we got 2 of those guys using our 2 & 26 as draft capital, we'd have done extremely well.

Obviously, we would have no trouble getting one of the top three with our pick at two -- that's just arithmetic. But none of the other 9 top ten guys is going to be there at 26. So a trade is required.

Most advantageously, that would be with Portland -- 2 & 26 for 7, 14, 34 & 40. That's a fair deal (which doesn't mean they'd want to do it, of course!).

Given that trade, it seems pretty likely we'd be able to take Ron Holland & either Isaiah Collier (or Jared McCain) at 7 & 14. We might even do a bit better if Dillingham's size caused him to fall.

Whom might we get at 34? There seems no chance that Dadiet would fall to us, but if he did we'd have snared 3 of your top 10 guys! Wow!

Otherwise, will someone be there who at least has a R1 grade? That seems possible: one of Djurisic, Kolek, Ajay Mitchell, Hunter Sallis, Dillon Jones...? If not...? KJ Simpson?

At 40, one would be hoping for one of your early R2 prospects -- say Izan Ilmansa.

We'd still have 51, where basically we could pick whoever looked to have the highest grade among those left on the board. Adem Bona? Enrique Freeman?

In all, then: Ron Holland, Isaiah Collier, Pacome Dadiet, Izan Almansa & Adem Bona. Which would be a miraculous draft -- given that we used 2, 26 & 51to get them.

& we'd still be able to sign an undrafted player -- a 2 way guy maybe.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

https://player.fm/series/upside-swings-nba-draft-podcast/scouting-upside-wings-stephon-castle-johnny-furphy-bronny-james-kyshawn-george-jakobe-walter-cam-christie


Man listening to these guys, not high at all on Castle. Basically see him as a late 2nd rounder.


Makes me question myself. I have had a history of falling for these guys that fall into the “high effort high motor” and “he’s just a winner and makes winning plays”, defensive intensity, “baller”, but have offensive shortcomings or aren’t good shooters category of player types... guys like Davion Mitchell & Isaac Okoro, and I always convince myself the shot will come around and improve. But then it doesn’t.

[doclinkin]

Alex Karaban - Late 2nd

Went back to school.