2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[PushDaRock]

This was Quickley's first taste against starters full time and his TS% was hot garbage. I don't buy it. There's no reason to buy it.

Wouldn't really call a .564 TS% hot garbage.

For a soon to be 25 year old whose major skill is scoring it is. Tied for 32nd worst among qualified players with a considerable amount of the guys beneath him being 19, 20 or 21 years of age. The margin of error is incredibly slim in the NBA.

It also isn't encouraging that he was atrocious over 175 minutes of playoff time last year when things tighten up.

"Hot Garbage" is not 1.6% TS below league average.

[XTC]

I honestly feel like this draft is going to have some very good role players to come out of it who will be picked post lottery. I'm not a fan of the top end talent in this draft at all, so happy we conveyed our pick.

[C_Money]

I see a lot of Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Tony Allen in Ryan Dunn and for that reason, I'd probably stay away. He has the skill to be a spectacular defender but on offense, you'll be playing 4 on 5.

You just can't win in today's NBA with a player like that playing significant minutes.

Agreed. We’ve seen many of these players come through here in the Masai era. Their impact on the game is minimal.

[bballsparkin]

Nah man…. You got a fake brain.

Not one lottery pick on the championship squad.

Where are JV’s, DD’s and TRoss’s rings? They don’t exist.

You don't get Ibaka without TRoss and the first traded. Marc without JV. Lowry without the lottery pick conceded. Kawhi without Poeltl and DD.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Nah man…. You got a fake brain.

Not one lottery pick on the championship squad.

Where are JV’s, DD’s and TRoss’s rings? They don’t exist.

You don't get Ibaka without TRoss and the first traded. Marc without JV. Lowry without the lottery pick conceded. Kawhi without Poeltl and DD.

This is wild logic. So by your calculations anyone who has ever played for the Raptors that didn’t walk for nothing in free agency, or get cut for nothing deserves a ring. This dude life motto must be 6 degrees of separation.

[bballsparkin]

This is wild logic. So by your calculations anyone who has ever played for the Raptors that didn’t walk for nothing in free agency, or get cut for nothing deserves a ring. This dude life motto must be 6 degrees of separation.

The team was built on lottery picks. Asset accumulation brought the Raptors a championship and shrewd final moves by the FO. It's disingenuous to say the championship was won without lottery picks. Of course they don't have rings. That's not what I meant.

[BoyzNTheHood]

This is wild logic. So by your calculations anyone who has ever played for the Raptors that didn’t walk for nothing in free agency, or get cut for nothing deserves a ring. This dude life motto must be 6 degrees of separation.

The team was built on lottery picks. Asset accumulation brought the Raptors a championship and shrewd final moves by the FO. It's disingenuous to say the championship was won without lottery picks. Of course they don't have rings. That's not what I meant.

It’s not disingenuous at all, it’s a fact. The 2019 Toronto Raptors championship roster was made up of zero players selected in the lottery. Google it.

[bballsparkin]

I understand that. But our key players were ACQUIRED via trades by players selected through the lottery.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I understand that. But our key players were ACQUIRED via trades by players selected through the lottery.

Yeah, which changes nothing in regards to the ACTUAL roster during the ACTUAL run.

[Thaddy]

I'd always like to swing for the fences, but I think in this draft we're probably looking to hit singles and doubles. I can get behind that.

The cupboard is bare. We had some truly ridiculous players in uniform this season. Part of this rebuild will be replenishing the depth on this team. Both for what it means in games on the court and to rebuild an asset base to eventually make some depth/future for talent trades.

We've been on the other side of some talent for depth deals recently and it doesn't feel great.

We don't want too many cooks in the kitchen. We want good role players and we need shooting and defense. This draft is the one to find rotation level guys who have glass ceilings (Tyson, Ware, etc)

[bballsparkin]

I understand that. But our key players were ACQUIRED via trades by players selected through the lottery.

Yeah, which changes nothing in regards to the ACTUAL roster during the ACTUAL run.

Sure, re-reading Oak's post maybe I was a little over zealous with my wording. There were no players on the team selected higher than #14. I'm not disputing that. It's a fact. The players on the championship roster were acquired as a result of lottery selections that were mostly hits. And then subsequently traded. Lottery picks helped build the championship team.

[Syd-TK3]

One thing I know is we really value workouts and interviews so if Ware is the pick I trust he absolutely killed it and removed all doubts about any sorta motor questions

[billy_hoyle]

I understand that. But our key players were ACQUIRED via trades by players selected through the lottery.

Yeah, which changes nothing in regards to the ACTUAL roster during the ACTUAL run.

Sure, re-reading Oak's post maybe I was a little over zealous with my wording. There were no players on the team selected higher than #14. I'm not disputing that. It's a fact. The players on the championship roster were acquired as a result of lottery selections that were mostly hits. And then subsequently traded. Lottery picks helped build the championship team.

You guys are both right.

The team theoretically could have been created using post-lottery draft picks.

That team was created using lottery talent to trade for post-lottery stars.

The point stands tho; you can create a championship team without lottery talent. It's definitely possible:

Joker, MPJ
Giannis, Jrue
Kawhi, Siakam, OG
Jimmy Butler
The list goes on.

Lots of post lottery difference makers in the league.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Wouldn't really call a .564 TS% hot garbage.

For a soon to be 25 year old whose major skill is scoring it is. Tied for 32nd worst among qualified players with a considerable amount of the guys beneath him being 19, 20 or 21 years of age. The margin of error is incredibly slim in the NBA.

It also isn't encouraging that he was atrocious over 175 minutes of playoff time last year when things tighten up.

"Hot Garbage" is not 1.6% TS below league average.

Strong language is needed to counter strong opinions on Quickley shared by the majority of the fanbase.

[deeps6x]

Draft measurement wise seems to agree on this.
Our previous defense also failed with quicker defenders without a shot blocker, so I am unsure what would be the best defensive system these days, as we ended up finding an actual C who can set hard screen and protect the paint.

If we’re going to compare white guys filipowski looks more like jak. Remember that jak is 28. Edey will slow down more as he ages and puts on more muscle.
We need like a ware or missi type center. Rim running help defense playing type.

Ware is my dream, but Edey is not a bad consolation prize. I’m not sold on Missi outside of his running and dunking. I know a lot of teams can use that, but we need a hub at the 5 and Missi isn’t that.

I was going to say the same thing. I'm fairly certain that Ware will go before Edey, and I even doubt that Edey will fall to #19. If he does, we should take him. I'm also not sold on Missi.

[ItsDanger]

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His case is this week. Assuming he's cleared, they need to take a serious look at him. Can defend at NBA level, gets to the line, can provide some ball handling. His scoring in paint and consistency in shooting needs improvement. If 22-24 is their age range for Scottie, then why not grab another pick and take Shannon? Could be available in early 2nd round. More versatile player than Agbaji.

[Indeed]

I understand that. But our key players were ACQUIRED via trades by players selected through the lottery.

Yeah, which changes nothing in regards to the ACTUAL roster during the ACTUAL run.

Sure, re-reading Oak's post maybe I was a little over zealous with my wording. There were no players on the team selected higher than #14. I'm not disputing that. It's a fact. The players on the championship roster were acquired as a result of lottery selections that were mostly hits. And then subsequently traded. Lottery picks helped build the championship team.

I think the fact that the lower picks out performed higher picks mean something.
Hint, we rather trade a talent that was picked higher for a better talent that was picked lower, and that ended up being the championship team.

Meanwhile, the reason some of them were picked later was due to risk. Mid 1st and high 2nd are usually high risk high reward types (raw players with good physical measurement), and chance is ~10% between 7th to 15th (8 spots, 1% each)?

[Indeed]

I'd always like to swing for the fences, but I think in this draft we're probably looking to hit singles and doubles. I can get behind that.

The cupboard is bare. We had some truly ridiculous players in uniform this season. Part of this rebuild will be replenishing the depth on this team. Both for what it means in games on the court and to rebuild an asset base to eventually make some depth/future for talent trades.

We've been on the other side of some talent for depth deals recently and it doesn't feel great.

We don't want too many cooks in the kitchen. We want good role players and we need shooting and defense. This draft is the one to find rotation level guys who have glass ceilings (Tyson, Ware, etc)

We don't have a cook to begin with.
Probably next year, it looks pretty stack next year, much better than this year. Wish we got 2 picks next year.

[deeps6x]

One thing I know is we really value workouts and interviews so if Ware is the pick I trust he absolutely killed it and removed all doubts about any sorta motor questions

Well .. yeah but... if he fell to us at #19, then he must have absolutely blown all of the workouts and interviews for earlier drafting teams.

I agree that Ware, if the motor rumors are false, would be a better fit then Edey, Filipowski, and other less mobile Cs. But there are several teams looking to draft a C ahead of us, and if they all don't value him enough to draft him over others, then maybe we'd also be making a mistake if we took him. I'll leave that decision up to Masai. I don't think he can afford to blow it on any of the picks in this draft, so I expect we'll be getting high floor players out of it.

Edey & Filipowski, as far as C's go, would be in the high floor category. Both can easily be seen as on par with Poeltl a couple years out.

[TNRaps4life]

@31 (If nobody falls)

Terrence Shannon Jr.: A rare combination of competent shooting and elite rim pressure from a guard in this draft. An instant offense/6th man-type of guy who gets buckets in the mold of Kelly Oubre. Obviously, one of the most NBA ready prospects. He doesn't do enough off-the-ball or defensively to project as anything more than a bench scorer, but I feel he's being slept on due to his age and legal concerns.

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Guy has a court date tomorrow on rape charges.
Raptors Org would not touch him with a 10-ft pole.

Innocent until proven guilty