2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[Morse Code]

Tyler Smith at 31 and I'm doing backflips.

Facts or djurisic

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[Morse Code]

That should be 24' FRP during draft night.
There is a better during free agency to acquire 25' FRP, particularly the top ones are gone, trades will begin.

Teams entertain deals on draft night more than any other night. Tons of action. We don't need 24' picks. Goal should be to get another 25' pick as its a much better draft. Teams like golden state prime example who can trade it on draft night

Going for 24 picks makes more sense.

Teams that have cap/tax issues want to get rid of 24 picks. Teams trying to win now are willing to move 24 picks... This means 24 picks are potentially being discounted in a big way.

25 picks aren't being discounted by anyone. Way higher hype for the top guys next year and no salary cap obligations for future picks.

Trade Brown for a 2024 first and salary filler
Trade pick 31 and take some salary on for a mid-late pick from a second apron team.
Trade Boucher for a pick and taking on bad salary

lots of potential ways to take advantage of fact many teams aren't that interested in picking this year. Having 4-5 rookies this year means our 2025 pick probably going to be lottery which is another benefit of loading up on 2024 players. And if we ain't lottery that means we had some kick ass internal development from our own young guys. Win/Win scenario

I could not agree more with this

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[Dalek]

Tidjane Salaun averages 9 and 4 and 32% from three. I actually wonder if he is a player who falls after there was so much lotto draft talk.

He looks mildly productive in the French league but you could argue even Pacôme Dadiet was better. With so many playoff teams ahead of Toronto I kind of wonder who would have interest in him.

I just can't tell if people would be excited or willing to skip him at 19 or even 31.

[Morse Code]

Really like Furphy as well. Damn. That logic makes so much sense. We could completely replenish our above-contact-value players and also just let everyone play and get better. If we're winning that's even better. But do it with young players.

[DreamTeam09]

Tidjane Salaun averages 9 and 4 and 32% from three. I actually wonder if he is a player who falls after there was so much lotto draft talk.

He looks mildly productive in the French league but you could argue even Pacôme Dadiet was better. With so many playoff teams ahead of Toronto I kind of wonder who would have interest in him.

I just can't tell if people would be excited or willing to skip him at 19 or even 31.

His size & youth & potential will not make him fall to 19. The SF/PF tweener position is the most attractive or important position in L. In a weak draft like this he doesn't fall. The fact that there is lotto buzz is BC of his size n potential

[Thaddy]

Trading Brown and the 31st pick for a 2025 first-rounder should be our goal. This move would secure us two picks next year and another two the following year, providing a strong foundation for the team’s future. If none of our top targets fall to us, this is likely the best path forward.

I suspect the team already has a shortlist of prospects they like for next year. This way, they can compare those future options to the remaining players available on Day 2 of this year’s draft.

[WuTang_CMB]

Yes, but during draft night, I do not see future picks being throw in, unless it is for a star player.
Usually it is the same draft picks being moved.

Picks are moved for following years all the time. OKC/Denver most recently. Also, 24' picks are meaningless this year since its so down. A team like GS is not going to dump Wiggins by moving off their 24' pick (if they had it). 25' picks will be in play for teams that are crunched and have small windows. Raps just need to be aggressive.

We wish picks are moved for the following years, but from history, before free agency, future picks are not being moved unless for star players (multiple year picks).

Teams move 24' picks for free agency and salary reason, there is no reason for them to move 25' picks as it does not involve salary / cap space yet.

Again, future picks are moved at the draft all the time. Just happened last year with OKC/Denver. Teams like GS would gladly move off of Wiggins by dealing their 25' and getting a guy like Brown. Helps their tax, creates flexibility and they get a solid role player. Each situation is different but for a team like GS, makes a ton of sense.

[WuTang_CMB]

Completely disagree. We are a team that wants to develop players. Get some more draft picks and develop them.

We ditched our other 24' pick for a reason. They don't want 3 rookies next season as Masai admitted. 25' better quality draft across the board. If opportunity is there, you jump on that.

If the Spurs pick didn’t convert, we’d have 3 picks.

There’s nothing wrong with developing multiple young players at a time, we can strategize picking a mix of win-now prospects and players that need to be developed. If there are too many young players, just drop scrubs like Nwora, McDaniels or JFL who were still trying to develop for some reason.

Price for 2025 picks will be high. It’s better to buy low, not buy high.

The Raps wanted to convey. They didn't want to go into next season with 3 rookies (hence masai's comments and them trading the okc pick. They would absolutely want a 25' pick over another 24' pick, which is likely why Brown wasn't dealt last deadline. This draft is another opportunity to use our flexibility to take on a contract, deal Brown and get a 25' pick. If they strike out, they strike out, but that should be 100% the focus

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Trade #31 for two 2nd rounders. Take Chomche and Markovic (stash for 1 year).

[OAKLEY_2]

Completely disagree. We are a team that wants to develop players. Get some more draft picks and develop them.

We ditched our other 24' pick for a reason. They don't want 3 rookies next season as Masai admitted. 25' better quality draft across the board. If opportunity is there, you jump on that.

If the Spurs pick didn’t convert, we’d have 3 picks.

There’s nothing wrong with developing multiple young players at a time, we can strategize picking a mix of win-now prospects and players that need to be developed. If there are too many young players, just drop scrubs like Nwora, McDaniels or JFL who were still trying to develop for some reason.

Price for 2025 picks will be high. It’s better to buy low, not buy high.

McDaniels on paper did ok as a player until he came to a deconstructing team with a rookie coach. He is now salary filler of our making. I wouldn"t "just get rid of the scrubs" as Nwora is a free agent exiting his rookie deal so that is mostly up to him and JFL is signed to a regular deal with little guaranted money. They compete at camp and live or die on that. We'd look like trash if we made our development a 10-day turnstile operation. I'd like to see us make something of at least one of the towel wavers for once. I think we trade Brown for a player and pick swap this year. We won't get a 2025 for him. Poetl is going nowhere.

[ATLTimekeeper]

We ditched our other 24' pick for a reason. They don't want 3 rookies next season as Masai admitted. 25' better quality draft across the board. If opportunity is there, you jump on that.

If the Spurs pick didn’t convert, we’d have 3 picks.

There’s nothing wrong with developing multiple young players at a time, we can strategize picking a mix of win-now prospects and players that need to be developed. If there are too many young players, just drop scrubs like Nwora, McDaniels or JFL who were still trying to develop for some reason.

Price for 2025 picks will be high. It’s better to buy low, not buy high.

The Raps wanted to convey. They didn't want to go into next season with 3 rookies (hence masai's comments and them trading the okc pick. They would absolutely want a 25' pick over another 24' pick, which is likely why Brown wasn't dealt last deadline. This draft is another opportunity to use our flexibility to take on a contract, deal Brown and get a 25' pick. If they strike out, they strike out, but that should be 100% the focus

No, they literally tanked as hard as any team could to get as high a slot as possible to keep the pick. They would just sell off a later pick if they retained their own pick this year. This was a bad outcome, and so the company line is weak. Not many here are buying it.

[WuTang_CMB]

If the Spurs pick didn’t convert, we’d have 3 picks.

There’s nothing wrong with developing multiple young players at a time, we can strategize picking a mix of win-now prospects and players that need to be developed. If there are too many young players, just drop scrubs like Nwora, McDaniels or JFL who were still trying to develop for some reason.

Price for 2025 picks will be high. It’s better to buy low, not buy high.

The Raps wanted to convey. They didn't want to go into next season with 3 rookies (hence masai's comments and them trading the okc pick. They would absolutely want a 25' pick over another 24' pick, which is likely why Brown wasn't dealt last deadline. This draft is another opportunity to use our flexibility to take on a contract, deal Brown and get a 25' pick. If they strike out, they strike out, but that should be 100% the focus

No, they literally tanked as hard as any team could to get as high a slot as possible to keep the pick. They would just sell off a later pick if they retained their own pick this year. This was a bad outcome, and so the company line is weak. Not many here are buying it.

Naw the team wanted to give it up. Better class next year and the team now owns their future with the obligation now complete. Nothing was going to change with 4 starters out due to injury and personal issues.

[nivisi9]

The Raps wanted to convey. They didn't want to go into next season with 3 rookies (hence masai's comments and them trading the okc pick. They would absolutely want a 25' pick over another 24' pick, which is likely why Brown wasn't dealt last deadline. This draft is another opportunity to use our flexibility to take on a contract, deal Brown and get a 25' pick. If they strike out, they strike out, but that should be 100% the focus

No, they literally tanked as hard as any team could to get as high a slot as possible to keep the pick. They would just sell off a later pick if they retained their own pick this year. This was a bad outcome, and so the company line is weak. Not many here are buying it.

Naw the team wanted to give it up. Better class next year and the team now owns their future with the obligation now complete. Nothing was going to change with 4 starters out due to injury and personal issues.

nah this management team has shown over and over they don't want to lose/tank with all the treadmill moves in recent years.

Masai is way to emotionally attached to his players and "winning" he's definitely dreading losing as bad as this season (for another few yrs) and having to keep Scottie happy everyday through a rebuild...

he was 100% hoping we keep the pick to help manage the quickest turnaround possible

[WuTang_CMB]

No, they literally tanked as hard as any team could to get as high a slot as possible to keep the pick. They would just sell off a later pick if they retained their own pick this year. This was a bad outcome, and so the company line is weak. Not many here are buying it.

Naw the team wanted to give it up. Better class next year and the team now owns their future with the obligation now complete. Nothing was going to change with 4 starters out due to injury and personal issues.

nah this management team has shown over and over they don't want to lose/tank with all the treadmill moves in recent years.

Masai is way to emotionally attached to his players and "winning" he's definitely dreading losing as bad as this season (for another few yrs) and having to keep Scottie happy everyday through a rebuild...

he was 100% hoping we keep the pick to help manage the quickest turnaround possible

nah i dont see it that way. Top end of the draft stinks. Masai wants to compete but has already admitted to staying the course and building this thing out. Our 25' pick will now be in a better draft where the team is likely to sit in the lottery.

[Rapsfan07]

We ditched our other 24' pick for a reason. They don't want 3 rookies next season as Masai admitted. 25' better quality draft across the board. If opportunity is there, you jump on that.

If the Spurs pick didn’t convert, we’d have 3 picks.

There’s nothing wrong with developing multiple young players at a time, we can strategize picking a mix of win-now prospects and players that need to be developed. If there are too many young players, just drop scrubs like Nwora, McDaniels or JFL who were still trying to develop for some reason.

Price for 2025 picks will be high. It’s better to buy low, not buy high.

The Raps wanted to convey. They didn't want to go into next season with 3 rookies (hence masai's comments and them trading the okc pick. They would absolutely want a 25' pick over another 24' pick, which is likely why Brown wasn't dealt last deadline. This draft is another opportunity to use our flexibility to take on a contract, deal Brown and get a 25' pick. If they strike out, they strike out, but that should be 100% the focus

Totally agree here. As I've said in previous posts - if the Raps are unable to secure another 2025 FRP, it will not be due to a lack of availability.

There will be teams trying to duck the tax and with Brown's contract, we have the ability to absorb some long term salary. I've mentioned Hunter in the past but I can't imagine that Atlanta doesn't move him this offseason. They have to pay Bey and Johnson in the every near future, they'll likely be drafting on of Sarr or Clingan as well as they'll probably be moving off of one of Trae or Murray this summer as well. They should be a primary target for Brown since they have the best asset with which to compensate us, that being the 2025 SAC FRP (Top-12 protected), as well as a guy like Griffin perhaps.

They probably also going to be looking at moving off of Capela as well. He'd be a nice stopgap if we choose to move away from Poeltl, which we probably should as there will be a few teams looking to add a competent defensive big. Memphis will no doubt be looking and provided they miss out on Clingan (and maybe Edey) they have a 2025 pick they might be willing to move AND need to get out of the tax. We could take advantage of that.

[WuTang_CMB]

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Best pick-and-roll finisher: Zach Edey, C, Purdue
Edey, ranked No. 16 in ESPN's Top 100, is a dream target for playmaking guards to pair with in pick-and-roll actions. He sets wide, bruising screens at 7-foot-5, 298 pounds and is an outstanding mark rolling to the paint and catching everything thrown his way with his huge, magnetic hands and 7-foot-11 wingspan. Purdue's small guards would often throw the ball up in the general vicinity of the rim under duress and let Edey go catch it.

He understands the art of rescreening if his initial pick doesn't achieve the desired outcome, and has improved his ability to operate out of zoom actions/dribble-handoffs, catch-and-make decisions out of short rolls, or mix-in slips to keep defenses off-balance. Even if he doesn't catch the ball rolling to the basket (where he is absolutely devastating), the amount of gravity he attracts sucking in off-ball defenders tagging off shooters often creates wide-open corner 3s for teammates -- a big reason the Boilermakers shot 40% for 3 this season, the second-best rate in college basketball. -- Givony

Best pull-up shooter: Cam Spencer, SG, UConn

Spencer is one of the overall best shooters among prospects in the draft, hitting 44% of his 3-point attempts (43% the season before) and 91% of his free throws, but the fact that he's so dynamic in getting his jumper off is worth noting. Spencer, ranked No. 59 in ESPN's Top 100, hit a scorching 47% of his pull-up 3s this season, while also converting more 3s running off screens than anyone in the class. He aggressively hunts pull-up 3s dribbling up the floor in transition, loves pulling up off escape dribbles after sidestepping hard closeouts with his pump fake and regularly punishes defenses for going under ball screens.

Also, Kentucky's Reed Sheppard deserves mention in this category. He hit 51% of his pull-up 3s, but did so on nearly half the sample size of Spencer's, being more judicious with his attempts. -- Givony

Best defensive playmaker: Ryan Dunn, SF/PF, Virginia
Dunn's strongest selling point is his phenomenal block and steal rates, using his 7-1 wingspan, quick hands and instincts to shrink the floor as a disruptive perimeter presence. Averaging 2.3 blocks and 1.3 steals per game on the wing last season, despite Virginia's low-possession style, was quite an achievement, giving him a pathway to an NBA niche as a defensive specialist.

It's the type of outlier production that makes you consider best-case scenarios for the No. 34 prospect in ESPN's Top 100, even though there's a good amount of risk if he doesn't develop as a shooter. His offensive game remains a major work in progress, but Dunn's knack for blowing up plays and winning the ball back sets him apart from his peers and makes him a real consideration as a development pick. -- Wo

[Godaddycurse]

Helps their tax, creates flexibility and they get a solid role player. Each situation is different but for a team like GS, makes a ton of sense.

GSW arent even in the tax this year.

[Smalltown]

that Ware, if the motor rumors are false

Really not rumours though. If you watched games last year you could see it and it was infuriating to watch. You'd watch 5 minutes and think "damn, this guy is a top 3 pick" and then he'd absolutely disappear. If, big if, he can mature and play all the minutes he's given - he's no doubt pick.

[WuTang_CMB]

Helps their tax, creates flexibility and they get a solid role player. Each situation is different but for a team like GS, makes a ton of sense.

GSW arent even in the tax this year.

they need to make decisions on CP3 and Klay

[Godaddycurse]

Helps their tax, creates flexibility and they get a solid role player. Each situation is different but for a team like GS, makes a ton of sense.

GSW arent even in the tax this year.

they need to make decisions on CP3 and Klay

CP3 is gone unless they are going all in on a star, in which case they are better off counting on wiggins to bounce back.