2019 Raptors vs 2024 Celtics

[Sweet Serenity]

If Tatum keeps playing like Tobias Harris with a wrist fracture then Mavs in 7.

If Tatum can play like healthy Tobias Harris Celtics in 5-6


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Are you able to actually write something constructive or interesting on here or are you going to keep wasting everyone’s time with your unintelligent comments ?

What is unintelligent. Usually much of the outcome hinges on the performance of your best player.

If Tatum continues to lay eggs scoring wise, with 4-24 games, then im not sure the Celtics can pull it out over a Kyrie finding his feet at home and a Luka going for 50 (which he will, he’s not Tatum).

Not to mention Porzingis is perennially injured.


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I’m questioning your intelligence because all you do is box-score watch instead of watching the games & seeing why Tatum’s gravity is the reason we’ve won these games.

Yes, I’d like him to shoot a lot better but if you can’t see the impact he’s having then you either don’t understand what winning basketball looks like or as I said before, you’re just unintelligent.

[vulture]

Kawhi would have struggled being guarded by Brown & Tatum

No chance. Kawhi had one of the best playoff runs ever in history. Kawhi right now is still better than Tatum and brown.

Kawhi right now is definitely not better than Tatum lol

Find me the last time kawhi played this badly in the finals. What is tatum shooting in 8 finals games 30%?
Kawhi is still better than both of your top players and anyone would take him in a playoffs series right now.

[Sweet Serenity]

No chance. Kawhi had one of the best playoff runs ever in history. Kawhi right now is still better than Tatum and brown.

Kawhi right now is definitely not better than Tatum lol

Find me the last time kawhi played this badly in the finals. What is tatum shooting in 8 finals games 30%?
Kawhi is still better than both of your top players and anyone would take him in a playoffs series right now.

Find me the last time Kawhi made it out of the first round …

[PushDaRock]

2023/24 Celtics vs 2018/19 Raptors

Celtics -
64 Wins
11.6 net rating for the regular season (equal 3rd all time)
11.4 net rating for the playoffs (7th all time)

Raptors -
58 Wins
5.8 net rating for the regular season
5.6 net rating for the playoffs

It’s not close.
Also, out of all the key players for both teams that were/are in their prime, the Raptors had 1 (Kawhi), Celtics have 4 (Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, White).

This isn't a functional way to compare teams in the playoffs, since each team plays a specific slate of opponents. It's not perfect, but you have to look at how each opponent fared in the regular season to produce an "expected net rating" and then see how much the Celtics/Raptors raised or lowered it by. The Celtics gaining a dominant playoff net rating by butchering the Heat (without Butler), the Cavs (without Mitchell), and the Pacers (eventually without Haliburton) is less impressive than just pointing at their 11.4 net rating. The Raptors beat a 60-win Bucks team, and a 51-win Phili team that added Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris midseason.

No one has any doubt the 2024 Celtics had a better regular season than the 2019 Raptors. This is also misleading though because the Raptors added Marc Gasol at the trade deadline and rested Kawhi Leonard, strategically all season.

All this to say, stacking up net ratings from different situations doesn't help us understand who would win this series.

Yeah, I don't think using stats is too useful in a comparison like this. That Raptors team also took a while to peak and got better as the playoffs went on. You look back on that Philly team and it was damn good. You had Embiid, Simmons (while he was good), Butler, Harris and Redick as a starting 5. The Bucks team was also a force with a superstar in Giannis and capable supporting cast along with best defense in the league. Then of course the Warriors, even without KD had gone to the finals 3 years in a row and won 2 championships. Even with the KD and Klay injuries, this was still one of the tougher playoff runs any team had to go through in recent times.

You can only play who is front of you so it gets tricky to judge things like this but I'm a little surprised this Celtics team is getting this much credit with such an easy path.

[IQ_baller]

Easily the raptors. Kawhi would literally have Tatum and Brown on their knees doing inappropriate things

[vulture]

Kawhi right now is definitely not better than Tatum lol

Find me the last time kawhi played this badly in the finals. What is tatum shooting in 8 finals games 30%?
Kawhi is still better than both of your top players and anyone would take him in a playoffs series right now.

Find me the last time Kawhi made it out of the first round …

Tell me the last time Tatum was down 3-0 to an 8th seed? Oh that was just last year when Tatum shat the bed and now he’s being carried by jrue holiday, Derrick white and al horford.

In the words of kawhi ‘the regular season is just practice and playoffs is time to lace em up’.
Your boy doesn’t show up when it counts.

[KingofTheClay]

Are you able to actually write something constructive or interesting on here or are you going to keep wasting everyone’s time with your unintelligent comments ?

What is unintelligent. Usually much of the outcome hinges on the performance of your best player.

If Tatum continues to lay eggs scoring wise, with 4-24 games, then im not sure the Celtics can pull it out over a Kyrie finding his feet at home and a Luka going for 50 (which he will, he’s not Tatum).

Not to mention Porzingis is perennially injured.


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I’m questioning your intelligence because all you do is box-score watch instead of watching the games & seeing why Tatum’s gravity is the reason we’ve won these games.

Yes, I’d like him to shoot a lot better but if you can’t see the impact he’s having then you either don’t understand what winning basketball looks like or as I said before, you’re just unintelligent.

Once again, Tatum passing like Mike Conley and defending like Aaron Gordon doesn’t warrant superstar acclaim.

He’s not holding up at all against Luka Doncic on an island and has been bullied by Gafford/PJ in the post multiple times. Sam Hauser has held up better on an island against Luka thus far.

Tatums a good passer but how much of the assists are by virtue of having an all star supporting cast? He gets to pass to 40% White, 42% Holiday from 3. Gets to pass to 7’3 Porzingis posting up 6’4 Josh Green. Gets to pass to Jaylen Brown who is defended by Kyrie/Luka. Gimme a break.

These 15 year old kids screaming “IMPACT” have no clue what they’re talking about.


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[Sweet Serenity]

Find me the last time kawhi played this badly in the finals. What is tatum shooting in 8 finals games 30%?
Kawhi is still better than both of your top players and anyone would take him in a playoffs series right now.

Find me the last time Kawhi made it out of the first round …

Tell me the last time Tatum was down 3-0 to an 8th seed? Oh that was just last year when Tatum shat the bed and now he’s being carried by jrue holiday, Derrick white and al horford.

In the words of kawhi ‘the regular season is just practice and playoffs is time to lace em up’.
Your boy doesn’t show up when it counts.

Elimination games:

Tatum 26.5/8.9/5.7
Kawhi 22.4/8.1/3.2

[srhcan]

2023/24 Celtics vs 2018/19 Raptors

Celtics -
64 Wins
11.6 net rating for the regular season (equal 3rd all time)
11.4 net rating for the playoffs (7th all time)

Raptors -
58 Wins
5.8 net rating for the regular season
5.6 net rating for the playoffs

It’s not close.
Also, out of all the key players for both teams that were/are in their prime, the Raptors had 1 (Kawhi), Celtics have 4 (Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, White).

Agreed. This Celtics team is too good upfront than those Raptors; I would say out of the top 5 players, 4 will be Celtics.
Although this Celtics team is not as deep as those Raptors.

[Sweet Serenity]

Spoiler:

What is unintelligent. Usually much of the outcome hinges on the performance of your best player.

If Tatum continues to lay eggs scoring wise, with 4-24 games, then im not sure the Celtics can pull it out over a Kyrie finding his feet at home and a Luka going for 50 (which he will, he’s not Tatum).

Not to mention Porzingis is perennially injured.


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I’m questioning your intelligence because all you do is box-score watch instead of watching the games & seeing why Tatum’s gravity is the reason we’ve won these games.

Yes, I’d like him to shoot a lot better but if you can’t see the impact he’s having then you either don’t understand what winning basketball looks like or as I said before, you’re just unintelligent.

Once again, Tatum passing like Mike Conley and defending like Aaron Gordon doesn’t warrant superstar acclaim.

He’s not holding up at all against Luka Doncic on an island and has been bullied by Gafford/PJ in the post multiple times. Sam Hauser has held up better on an island against Luka thus far.

Tatums a good passer but how much of the assists are by virtue of having an all star supporting cast? He gets to pass to 40% White, 42% Holiday from 3. Gets to pass to 7’3 Porzingis posting up 6’4 Josh Green. Gets to pass to Jaylen Brown who is defended by Kyrie/Luka. Gimme a break.

These 15 year old kids screaming “IMPACT” have no clue what they’re talking about.


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I’m done responding to you.
Just like Mark Twain said “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level & beat you with experience.”

Personal Attacks.

[Grahf]

What is unintelligent. Usually much of the outcome hinges on the performance of your best player.

If Tatum continues to lay eggs scoring wise, with 4-24 games, then im not sure the Celtics can pull it out over a Kyrie finding his feet at home and a Luka going for 50 (which he will, he’s not Tatum).

Not to mention Porzingis is perennially injured.


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I’m questioning your intelligence because all you do is box-score watch instead of watching the games & seeing why Tatum’s gravity is the reason we’ve won these games.

Yes, I’d like him to shoot a lot better but if you can’t see the impact he’s having then you either don’t understand what winning basketball looks like or as I said before, you’re just unintelligent.

Once again, Tatum passing like Mike Conley and defending like Aaron Gordon doesn’t warrant superstar acclaim.

He’s not holding up at all against Luka Doncic on an island and has been bullied by Gafford/PJ in the post multiple times. Sam Hauser has held up better on an island against Luka thus far.

Tatums a good passer but how much of the assists are by virtue of having an all star supporting cast? He gets to pass to 40% White, 42% Holiday from 3. Gets to pass to 7’3 Porzingis posting up 6’4 Josh Green. Gets to pass to Jaylen Brown who is defended by Kyrie/Luka. Gimme a break.

These 15 year old kids screaming “IMPACT” have no clue what they’re talking about.


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[ajones9219]

Celtics sweep or 5 games absolute max. No offense but this Celtics team is literally one of the best teams of all time by most stats

[vulture]

Find me the last time Kawhi made it out of the first round …

Tell me the last time Tatum was down 3-0 to an 8th seed? Oh that was just last year when Tatum shat the bed and now he’s being carried by jrue holiday, Derrick white and al horford.

In the words of kawhi ‘the regular season is just practice and playoffs is time to lace em up’.
Your boy doesn’t show up when it counts.

Elimination games:

Tatum 26.5/8.9/5.7
Kawhi 22.4/8.1/3.2

Oh wow great stats. Has Tatum ever shot 50% in a finals game? He hasn’t been the best player on his team in this run of playing gleague teams.

[bisme37]

Find me the last time Kawhi made it out of the first round …

Tell me the last time Tatum was down 3-0 to an 8th seed? Oh that was just last year when Tatum shat the bed and now he’s being carried by jrue holiday, Derrick white and al horford.

In the words of kawhi ‘the regular season is just practice and playoffs is time to lace em up’.
Your boy doesn’t show up when it counts.

Elimination games:

Tatum 26.5/8.9/5.7
Kawhi 22.4/8.1/3.2

These tweets are a little over a year old but since then JT set an NBA record with 51 points in a Game 7.

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[Sweet Serenity]

Tell me the last time Tatum was down 3-0 to an 8th seed? Oh that was just last year when Tatum shat the bed and now he’s being carried by jrue holiday, Derrick white and al horford.

In the words of kawhi ‘the regular season is just practice and playoffs is time to lace em up’.
Your boy doesn’t show up when it counts.

Elimination games:

Tatum 26.5/8.9/5.7
Kawhi 22.4/8.1/3.2

Oh wow great stats. Has Tatum ever shot 50% in a finals game? He hasn’t been the best player on his team in this run of playing gleague teams.

That’s your response ??

[KingofTheClay]

The Boston Homers in full force today.

Many of these homers hit their heads on rocks, as infants.


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Strike for trolling/baiting.
- ccs

[vulture]

Elimination games:

Tatum 26.5/8.9/5.7
Kawhi 22.4/8.1/3.2

Oh wow great stats. Has Tatum ever shot 50% in a finals game? He hasn’t been the best player on his team in this run of playing gleague teams.

That’s your response ??

Enjoy your boy being carried by role players.

[Vampirate]

I give TOR the edge because of Kawhi. But on TOR’s depth, important to establish that FVV and OG were not the players they grew to be then. FVV wouldn’t make an all star team until 3 years later. OG’s game has expanded a ton. Siakam and Norm grew their games as well.

Raps had a lot of young players who have gone to grow their games, but it’s inaccurate to just assume that they were their fully developed selves sitting on the bench there. Again, I still take TOR because of Kawhi but important to call that out.

I honestly think Celtic fans are living in the moment.

They'd be overrated when compared to other championship teams, but they are still a worthy championship team.

I say this simply because they are not as big of a juggernaut as they think they are.

Or to put this another way, I think the 2019 Raptors would put this Celtics team away in 6, however the 2008 Celtics team would beat us.

Yes, i'm saying the KG Celtics would most likely take this Celtics team in 5. This is why i'm saying they are not historical.

There isn't a single player on 'this' Celtics team that's on the level of prime Kawhi, but that 2008 Celtics team had prime KG.


Simply put if Celtics fans think the team is that great, compare it to other Celtic teams and take off the homer glasses when comparing.

[PierceFan4ever]

Delete this. At least wait until they win it all before they get compared to past champions lol…

[Duffman100]

White > Lowery

My mind has changed on white, but there is just no universe he's better than Lowry.