OG - is he worth the money he’ll demand?

[thebuzzardman]

The reason you're hearing about Randle being moved is because he's going to be an UFA at the end of next season, they have to decide if they want to extend him or not, his max would be 4 years $190 million so he's no longer cost controlled. He'll be much harder to move once he gets that new contract too. They will be making similar money, and we just saw OG play the 4, the rationale being that they could upgrade the SG or C by trading Randle and using OG as the new PF.

Ok that makes some sense, but overall I think Randle is being extremely under rated overall. Keep them both, OG is not a play maker or a guaranteed bucket. Given how Randle is talked about by most media, who else is gonna max him so who's to say we need to. Media folks would have us believe he's a negative asset

It's not that simple anymore, it sounds like we're going to need to max out OG to keep him, then you have Hartenstein who will be a FA, after that Randle and Brunson are due extensions. The new CBA makes team building more difficult and locking into the team we have now may not make as much sense, somebody is most likely getting traded this offseason, whether it's Mitch + Bog or Randle, they wont be able to give all these guys extensions without something changing.

Bye Mitch and Bogs

[NoStatsGuy]

if i recall correctly he said he would take a paycut with the knicks.

though i think hes worth the gamble. i wish he would be more reliable and not get injured that much. but the cap is going up by a lot over the next years, so i think we should give him whatever hes asking for.
Luka is gonna earn 350+/5 if he extends this summer. that contract is insane but will be fine in 2 or 3 years and just the refular supermax. OG on 40 a year will look like a discount.

this is our window and OG is arguably the best defender in the league. we gotta give him the money and pray for health. everything else would be a desaster, since we gave up quite a bit for him.

[thebuzzardman]

Pay OG. Hopefully he takes just enough of a pay cut that the Knicks retain whatever flexibility Aller is advising them to have.

Get Bridges to back up the 2,3,4 spots. Thibs and most coaches mix starters and bench players anyway; Bridges will get his 30 mpg.

Get a backup PG or see if Jockubitus is ready and willing to play 12 mpg or if Deuce progresses.

Manage the minutes of OG, Brunson, Randle and iShart during the season.

Pray that Randle and OG are healthy and freak injury free for the playoffs.

[Buttah304]

Yes to paying OG but I do have another thought:

Part of me wonders if outside of what Randle might cost and the question mark on his overall health, does the FO fear committing long term to a player who’s not positionally versatile.

When you look at the Josh Hart/OG moves I feel as though the coaching staff/exec team loves that these guys can essentially play 2-4 in various lineups, bridging the gap between the starters & bench.

Randle is a 4 through and through which means his potential 35min would be set in stone for the next four years at nearly 180M.

If the idea is to continue mixing and matching various personnel in order to identity what 2 man, 3 man and 5man lineups are most effective is committing 45M to Randle and having a potential 9 year relationship the most prudent move.

Leon has an interesting summer ahead.

[kNicksGmen]

Yes to paying OG but I do have another thought:

Part of me wonders if outside of what Randle might cost and the question mark on his overall health, does the FO fear committing long term to a player who’s not positionally versatile.

When you look at the Josh Hart/OG moves I feel as though the coaching staff/exec team loves that these guys can essentially play 2-4 in various lineups, bridging the gap between the starters & bench.

Randle is a 4 through and through which means his potential 35min would be set in stone for the next four years at nearly 180M.

If the idea is to continue mixing and matching various personnel in order to identity what 2 man, 3 man and 5man lineups are most effective is committing 45M to Randle and having a potential 9 year relationship the most prudent move.

Leon has an interesting summer ahead.

that's a good point Randle has virtually no minutes at the 5 under Thibs and def can't play the 3.

[dakomish23]

No way we should get rid of Randle just for monetary reasons. We saw first hand how important depth is two playoffs in a row. And Randle has usually been an iron man for the Knicks

[Iron Mantis]

[HopelessKnick]

Yes, gotta pay him no question. This team is a true title contender with OG on the team. Without him we are a first or second round exit team. After Brunson he is the most important player on the team.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Has he made any demands to have a conversation about? I guess people assume he's gonna demand 40mil per for whatever reasons. I'll wait and see.

He is integral to what this team wants to do. He's a top defender in the league. His injury history is the only concern. When an actual number pops up, then I'll decide if he's worth it. 40mil seems like a lot until you look around the league for sure.

If Brunson leaves money on the table then I expect everyone else on the team to follow suit. No one should be making more than him.

[Wildcat]

Has he made any demands to have a conversation about? I guess people assume he's gonna demand 40mil per for whatever reasons. I'll wait and see.

He is integral to what this team wants to do. He's a top defender in the league. His injury history is the only concern. When an actual number pops up, then I'll decide if he's worth it. 40mil seems like a lot until you look around the league for sure.

If Brunson leaves money on the table then I expect everyone else on the team to follow suit. No one should be making more than him.

No. Everything reported is speculation. Only thing you can say for sure is that he isn't leaving.

[sol537]

Immaculate vibes....

OG is gonna opt-in to his final year and then extend (like Josh Hart did) with a player option on the last year. Gives us flexibility and gives him risk-protection while allowing him to take advantage later when the cap spikes to higher levels.

[The Lamma]

I’ve seen Dolan pay big tax bills for trash teams. The last thing I’d ever think was going to stop our pursuit of a trophy was money.

But I have a coworker who’s friends with someone in the Knicks organization & he told him they traded IQ b/c they weren’t going to be able to pay him. Who knows if that guys was just doing MSG spin though

Keep Randle. Re-sign OG & Hartenstein. Go to war while we can b/c anything can happen

On IQ, I think that is more about the second apron numbers and losing flexibility to team build than Dolan's budget being limited per se. @Richard2222?

That's only half a Richard

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incentives can only be max 15% of contract.
and for cap purposes the first year of the contract, both contract + bonuses count towards the cap.

[moocow007]

They really don't have much of a choice, but let's hope Rose doesn't pull a Phil Jackson and give him a contract that is beyond what the market dictates. I believe there are more high end free agents than cap space this offseason. That should work in the Knicks favor.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

It would be a fireable offense if they lose him in free agency.

[NYKnickerbocker]

He’s worth whatever he ask for lol. We traded two assets that were under our control for the foreseeable future for him. Og can not be allowed to leave NY anytime soon unless we trading him lol

[Snacks]

Alot more no's than I woulda thunk.
Just wondering, do you guys see another option besides losing OG in Free agency? Is there 1 or 2 players you would trade him for?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Alot more no's than I woulda thunk.
Just wondering, do you guys see another option besides losing OG in Free agency? Is there 1 or 2 players you would trade him for?

I get why people are voting no, the injuries are a glaring problem with him, just look at the different ways he got hurt with us in the short time we had him.


There's no other options, he controls where he goes, we could say we're going to trade him and he'll just say he wont sign with that team. He's going to get the max from us, and he's not realistically worth it due to the injuries but we have no choice.

[Snacks]

Alot more no's than I woulda thunk.
Just wondering, do you guys see another option besides losing OG in Free agency? Is there 1 or 2 players you would trade him for?

I get why people are voting no, the injuries are a glaring problem with him, just look at the different ways he got hurt with us in the short time we had him.


There's no other options, he controls where he goes, we could say we're going to trade him and he'll just say he wont sign with that team. He's going to get the max from us, and he's not realistically worth it due to the injuries but we have no choice.

I'm not talking to you, you voted yes for the same obvious reasons I voted yes. Not interested in why you think other people said no. Kinda want to hear from them.