2024 NBA Finals: The Stars Match-up (Doncic/Irving vs Tatum/Brown)

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Which Duo Will Perform Better in the NBA Finals?

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Kyrie + Luka
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Jayson + Jaylen
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Re: 2024 NBA Finals: The Stars Match-up (Doncic/Irving vs Tatum/Brown) 

Post#181 » by Andri » Mon Jun 10, 2024 12:57 pm

durden_tyler wrote:G2
Tatum: 18 pts (Kobe Bryant FG%), 9 rebs, 12 asts


Even with that G7, you know that Kobe in 2010 finals, he posted 28 pts/game with TS% of 52, while Tatum right now sits at 17 and 41%, right?
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Post#182 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:25 pm

Luka/Kyrie have won both matchups the first 2 games

Game 1: Luka/Kyrie 42 points, Tatum/Brown 38 points
Game2: Luka/Kyrie 48 points, Tatum/Brown 39 points

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Post#183 » by Jaqua92 » Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:46 pm

Tatum and Brown have won the matchup..

Kyrie isn't even the 4th best player this series so far.

Doncic has been exploitable on defense. Tatum is shooting like **** and still is playing a great two way floor series. Brown is great too.
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Post#184 » by Black Jack » Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:32 pm

Tatum is taking a lot of heat but the assists are admirable. He's taking what he's being given and other guys are connecting on those shots.
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Post#185 » by PedroFlu » Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:41 pm

Boston has a fkn squad. Their guard play makes it unfair. Jrue and White are destroying. They have a top gard duo, the best wing tandem and Porzingis/Horford. All two way players who can score inside out. Its the best team by a contry mile, not hard to understand. Specially when they're also the healthiest.

No surprise they're walking to the title. Only team that had a chance was a healthy Denver.

Question is, Id Boston an alltime time? Stats say so, they probably are that good.
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Post#186 » by meh » Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:23 am

PedroFlu wrote:Boston has a fkn squad. Their guard play makes it unfair. Jrue and White are destroying. They have a top gard duo, the best wing tandem and Porzingis/Horford. All two way players who can score inside out. Its the best team by a contry mile, not hard to understand. Specially when they're also the healthiest.

No surprise they're walking to the title. Only team that had a chance was a healthy Denver.

Question is, Id Boston an alltime time? Stats say so, they probably are that good.

If we can re-sign White, we could be competing for titles for at least a few more years.
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Post#187 » by Curmudgeon » Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:44 am

meh wrote:
PedroFlu wrote:Boston has a fkn squad. Their guard play makes it unfair. Jrue and White are destroying. They have a top gard duo, the best wing tandem and Porzingis/Horford. All two way players who can score inside out. Its the best team by a contry mile, not hard to understand. Specially when they're also the healthiest.

No surprise they're walking to the title. Only team that had a chance was a healthy Denver.

Question is, Id Boston an alltime time? Stats say so, they probably are that good.

If we can re-sign White, we could be competing for titles for at least a few more years.


That raises a question to which I do not know the precise answer. What's the economic value to ownership of multiple championships? You have to consider the equity value of the franchise as well as the revenue.

Joe Lacob and Peter Guber have done pretty well in Golden State in spite of paying massive luxury tax. In 2023 the Warriors were valued at 7.7 billion, a 10% increase from the previous year.
10% of 7.7 billion is 770 million, which is almost 4 times the value of the team's 200M payroll in 2023-24. So at least in Golden State, paying top dollar (and the associated tax) for championship caliber players appears to have been a good investment.
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Post#188 » by Birdon » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:34 am

Black Jack wrote:Tatum is taking a lot of heat but the assists are admirable. He's taking what he's being given and other guys are connecting on those shots.
He’s been playing Point Forward with elite defense, unleashing JB and the pitbull backcourt. Scoring became secondary.
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Post#189 » by sam_I_am » Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:44 pm

Tatum has the highest on/off plus-minus of anybody in playoffs. He has been the most impactful player on the most dominant team. He just can’t put the rock in the hole right now.
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Post#190 » by shi-woo » Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:53 pm

Tonights game will tell us a lot about all 4 of these guys. Legacy game watch for the group of them. We'll see who comes out swinging and plays the best down the stretch
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Post#191 » by jfs1000d » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:54 am

shi-woo wrote:Tonights game will tell us a lot about all 4 of these guys. Legacy game watch for the group of them. We'll see who comes out swinging and plays the best down the stretch

Luka is young, he is gonna have to raise his all around level of play. He is killing the Mavs defensively and on offense is just way too slow attacking. Great offensive player, but I just don’t see a good enough two way player here.

This series has really exposed him. You can’t be a No. 1 or No. 2 player in the league if you aren’t a two way player.


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Post#192 » by durden_tyler » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:09 am

jfs1000d wrote:
shi-woo wrote:Tonights game will tell us a lot about all 4 of these guys. Legacy game watch for the group of them. We'll see who comes out swinging and plays the best down the stretch

Luka is young, he is gonna have to raise his all around level of play. He is killing the Mavs defensively and on offense is just way too slow attacking. Great offensive player, but I just don’t see a good enough two way player here.

This series has really exposed him. You can’t be a No. 1 or No. 2 player in the league if you aren’t a two way player.


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He got time though. Better than SGA or Edwards moving forward so Dallas is still going to be fine next year and a few years after that.

Tatum and Brown and the rest of the Celtics are simply the better team with better strategy this Finals, credit to them for taking advantage.


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Post#193 » by bigboi » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:53 am

durden_tyler wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:
shi-woo wrote:Tonights game will tell us a lot about all 4 of these guys. Legacy game watch for the group of them. We'll see who comes out swinging and plays the best down the stretch

Luka is young, he is gonna have to raise his all around level of play. He is killing the Mavs defensively and on offense is just way too slow attacking. Great offensive player, but I just don’t see a good enough two way player here.

This series has really exposed him. You can’t be a No. 1 or No. 2 player in the league if you aren’t a two way player.


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He got time though. Better than SGA or Edwards moving forward so Dallas is still going to be fine next year and a few years after that.

Tatum and Brown and the rest of the Celtics are simply the better team with better strategy this Finals, credit to them for taking advantage.


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Luka is not better than SGA lol. He got thoroughly outplayed by SGA. Kyrie is going to get worse by the year and this is the healthiest that he’s ever been
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Lebron made it to the finals with that cleveland team.

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Post#194 » by durden_tyler » Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:17 am

bigboi wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:Luka is young, he is gonna have to raise his all around level of play. He is killing the Mavs defensively and on offense is just way too slow attacking. Great offensive player, but I just don’t see a good enough two way player here.

This series has really exposed him. You can’t be a No. 1 or No. 2 player in the league if you aren’t a two way player.


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He got time though. Better than SGA or Edwards moving forward so Dallas is still going to be fine next year and a few years after that.

Tatum and Brown and the rest of the Celtics are simply the better team with better strategy this Finals, credit to them for taking advantage.


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Luka is not better than SGA lol. He got thoroughly outplayed by SGA. Kyrie is going to get worse by the year and this is the healthiest that he’s ever been

Mavs did beat SGA handily, thanks to Luka. But whatever, the difference between the two is minimal and don’t care much who is the better one. I just see Luka winning more games than SGA moving forward.


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Post#195 » by bigboi » Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:19 am

durden_tyler wrote:
bigboi wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:He got time though. Better than SGA or Edwards moving forward so Dallas is still going to be fine next year and a few years after that.

Tatum and Brown and the rest of the Celtics are simply the better team with better strategy this Finals, credit to them for taking advantage.


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Luka is not better than SGA lol. He got thoroughly outplayed by SGA. Kyrie is going to get worse by the year and this is the healthiest that he’s ever been

Mavs did beat SGA handily, thanks to Luka. But whatever, the difference between the two is minimal and don’t care much who is the better one. I just see Luka winning more games than SGA moving forward.


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Wrong lmao. OKC lost because Chet played like absolute garbage. Again, SGA thoroughly outplayed Luka, was clutch as well but his teammates were awful
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Post#196 » by durden_tyler » Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:39 am

bigboi wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:
bigboi wrote:
Luka is not better than SGA lol. He got thoroughly outplayed by SGA. Kyrie is going to get worse by the year and this is the healthiest that he’s ever been

Mavs did beat SGA handily, thanks to Luka. But whatever, the difference between the two is minimal and don’t care much who is the better one. I just see Luka winning more games than SGA moving forward.


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Wrong lmao. OKC lost because Chet played like absolute garbage. Again, SGA thoroughly outplayed Luka, was clutch as well but his teammates were awful

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Post#197 » by SweaterBae » Thu Jun 13, 2024 9:17 am

Andri wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:G2
Tatum: 18 pts (Kobe Bryant FG%), 9 rebs, 12 asts


Even with that G7, you know that Kobe in 2010 finals, he posted 28 pts/game with TS% of 52, while Tatum right now sits at 17 and 41%, right?


And they're still interviewing him postgame after he completely shat the bed in the 4th, AGAIN. In my life I've never seen an NBA player propped up by the media like JT.

Jaylen Brown makes 22-foot three point jumper (Jayson Tatum assists)
Jayson Tatum misses 15-foot two point shot
Jayson Tatum lost ball turnover (Dereck Lively II steals)
Jaylen Brown makes 11-foot two point shot (Jayson Tatum assists)
Jayson Tatum misses driving layup
Jayson Tatum defensive rebound
Jayson Tatum defensive rebound
Jayson Tatum misses driving floating jump shot
Jayson Tatum makes 1-foot driving dunk (Derrick White assists) (AN INSANE PASS FROM DW)
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Post#198 » by AussieCeltic » Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:49 am

SweaterBae wrote:
Andri wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:G2
Tatum: 18 pts (Kobe Bryant FG%), 9 rebs, 12 asts


Even with that G7, you know that Kobe in 2010 finals, he posted 28 pts/game with TS% of 52, while Tatum right now sits at 17 and 41%, right?


And they're still interviewing him postgame after he completely shat the bed in the 4th, AGAIN. In my life I've never seen an NBA player propped up by the media like JT.

Jaylen Brown makes 22-foot three point jumper (Jayson Tatum assists)
Jayson Tatum misses 15-foot two point shot
Jayson Tatum lost ball turnover (Dereck Lively II steals)
Jaylen Brown makes 11-foot two point shot (Jayson Tatum assists)
Jayson Tatum misses driving layup
Jayson Tatum defensive rebound
Jayson Tatum defensive rebound
Jayson Tatum misses driving floating jump shot
Jayson Tatum makes 1-foot driving dunk (Derrick White assists) (AN INSANE PASS FROM DW)


31/6/5… you make it seem like finals games are easy?

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Your hate is unhinged and quite frankly shows how little people like you know about basketball.
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Post#199 » by Birdon » Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:04 am

SGA with Kyrie would be an intriguing duo.
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Post#200 » by Tha Cynic » Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:42 am

Jaqua92 wrote:Tatum and Brown have won the matchup..

Kyrie isn't even the 4th best player this series so far.

Doncic has been exploitable on defense. Tatum is shooting like **** and still is playing a great two way floor series. Brown is great too.


Without Doncic, the Mavs don't even have a roster as good as the Pistons. Of course every possession is going to be grueling. You put Luka on the Celtics instead of both Brown and Tatum and they still win easily. The surrounding roster plays a huge role in how well your best players can operate.

In fact I think the Celtics could have played all series without one of Brown or Tatum and still won. If the Mavs support players can't hit anything, they're not going anywhere.
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