2019 Raptors vs 2024 Celtics

[meh]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40299595/nba-finals-most-impressive-champions-jordan-bulls

[ForeverTFC]

'19 Raptors match up really well against '24 Celtics; you can argue White vs Lowry all you want but we can all admit that it's not a landslide by either party. The series would be a defensive dog fight and at that point, it comes down to Kawhi vs Tatum. I think we all agree Kawhi takes that matchup.

Raptors in 6.

[BlackThought]

It's a very close series and I think both teams would beat the current Mavs team. If Porzingis is 100% I think the series would be 50/50 but if he's not healthy I think Raptors take it in 6.

Comparing numbers is just silly. There are only 3-4 teams each year that are truly contenders so those "numbers" include the stats of games playing against 25-26 non-contending teams. Pretty sure if you compare numbers the Mavs are not the best in the West yet they are in the finals right now.

19' Kawhi is the best player in that series but Doncic is likely the best player in this series yet his team is down 0-2. Boston's advantage is their shooting but the Raptors defense and size (not just bulk but size with mobility) makes them very tough to beat.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Comparing the regular season numbers isn't really fair to the Raps, as they acquired Gasol at the deadline and really took off after that (best 3% shooting in league and huge defensive jump).
Kawhi was also rested A LOT during the regular season.
I'm not saying the Raps would win, but it's definitely not as simple as comparing full season stats to determine the better team.

[Duffman100]

The "not close" arguments on both sides are pretty silly

Personally I'm torn

It would be a slugfest of a series

[ITYSL]

A hypothetical fantasy match-up is going to come down more to eye test in my opinion. Sure, it's possible we have more biases based off an eye test but If we use just numbers, the Celtics objectively had a far easier road to a Championship than the Raptors. That's going to obviously skew numbers more towards the Celtics favor as well. That Raptors team also took a while to peak, they struggled badly in the Sixers series and got down 2-0 to the Bucks before waking up. They played their best Basketball when it mattered the most.

I'm not saying the numbers don't matter at all but it's just really difficult for me to say this Celtics team is as great as the regular numbers say because of the lack of challenge they have faced these playoffs. You could say they are just that great but imo the teams they have faced just aren't that good along with missing key players to boot.

The flaw in your reasoning is that the Celtics have been dominant throughout the regular season and the playoffs:
- They had the best SRS (which takes into account strength of schedule) by a wide margin: link
- They had the best net rating by a wide margin: link
- They had the best net rating against EC teams by a wide margin: link
- They had the best net rating against WC teams by a wide margin: link
- They had the best net rating in home games by a wide margin: link
- They had the best net rating in away games by a wide margin: link
- They had the best win percentage against teams above .500, by a wide margin: link

I know, I know, we can't count the regular season numbers for the Raptors. Fine. But the numbers above show that the Celtics have been a historically dominant team this season. What shows that for the Raptors? Anything?

To just dismiss this dominance because of factors out of their control - their opponents thus far in the playoffs - is flawed reasoning. This is a team that has shown dominance all season long, in the regular season and in the playoffs, against all manner of opponents.

This is also a Raptors team that was taken to 6 games by a Warriors team that was missing KD for all but 11 minutes of the entire series, as well as Klay for 1 of the Raptors wins. So again, let's not pretend the Raptors were just some unstoppable buzzsaw in the playoffs that season, because they weren't.

I still do think it would be a hell of a series between the 2024 Celtics and the 2019 Raptors. You just can't dismiss the Kawhi superstar factor, combined with the absolute grittiness of the rest of the team.

[ITYSL]

There's numbers you can use to compare playoff teams, but these ones don't capture a good picture for a couple reasons.

1. Hard to compare the Raps and Celts in the regular season because the Raptors made a big trade deadline deal for Gasol, and also went from resting Kawhi to having him play every game. The 2019 regular season Raps are not an accurate picture of the 2019 playoff Raps.

OK.

- The 2024 Celtics had a post-All Star net rating of +14.6, ranked 1st in the league
- The 2019 Raptors had a post-All Star net rating of +7.2, ranked 3rd in the league

If we can't use those numbers either, then someone please tell me, what numbers can we use? Any at all?

2. The playoffs are so specific because you play max 4 opponents so it REALLY matters who those opponents are. The Celtics are +11 against some historically weak opponents with a high level of injury. The injuries prevent us from even being able to use relative net rating based on opponent because- as just one example- the Heat are a +5 team with Jimmy Butler, but a -2 team without him. Now obviously I still think Boston beats all those opponents healthy, but it's not unreasonable to assume it might have been a little tougher and the Celtics aren't a whopping +11 coming out of it. They even had stronger opponents fall out early and not get a chance to play them. This cuts both ways too because the Raptors might have had a negative net rating against a healthy version of the Warriors. You just can't really compare Boston's opponents overall to the Raptors playing those version of Phili and Milwaukee.

You can and should use numbers, but we can't just post the numbers without thinking about how those numbers were produced, and lean on them as evidence in this theoretical matchup.

I mean, at least I'm providing some numbers, and I'm trying to provide as much context with those numbers as possible. I've acknowledged when maybe they haven't made as much sense.

Meanwhile, the second poster in this thread talked about how people are drooling over Anunoby now, as if 2019 Anunoby was the same player (he wasn't). Others have talked about how weak the Celtics playoff opponents have been, as if they have control over that, and like they haven't been dominant for the entire season against everyone.

If the argument is that Kawhi would be the best player in the series, you'll get no argument from me. However, I don't think the gap between 2019 Kawhi and 2024 Tatum is that much bigger than the gap between 2024 Luka and 2024 Tatum.

If you want to just look at the eye test, I'd agree with an earlier poster that the only clear advantage the Raps have is Kawhi over JB. I'd take White over Lowry but could see how some might see that as a push. Most would take Jrue over Green. Then it's Tatum over Siakam. I'd take KP+Horford over Gasol+Ibaka, but I guess I could see that as a push as well. As for the bench, I'd probably take Horford/Pritchard/Hauser over Ibaka/FVV/Powell, but I can understand the argument the other way.

So what exactly is the argument for the 2019 Raptors? They weren't dominant in the regular season, and they really were not that dominant in the playoffs. The 6th seed, an approximately .500 Magic team, took a game off them. It took them 7 games to beat the Sixers and 6 games to beat the Bucks. Then they got pretty darn lucky that the Warriors suffered injuries to multiple elite players, and it still took them 6 games to beat them.

What exactly is the argument that the 2019 Raptors was a historically great team on par with the Celtics this season?

[greekman]

There's numbers you can use to compare playoff teams, but these ones don't capture a good picture for a couple reasons.

1. Hard to compare the Raps and Celts in the regular season because the Raptors made a big trade deadline deal for Gasol, and also went from resting Kawhi to having him play every game. The 2019 regular season Raps are not an accurate picture of the 2019 playoff Raps.

OK.

- The 2024 Celtics had a post-All Star net rating of +14.6, ranked 1st in the league
- The 2019 Raptors had a post-All Star net rating of +7.2, ranked 3rd in the league

If we can't use those numbers either, then someone please tell me, what numbers can we use? Any at all?

2. The playoffs are so specific because you play max 4 opponents so it REALLY matters who those opponents are. The Celtics are +11 against some historically weak opponents with a high level of injury. The injuries prevent us from even being able to use relative net rating based on opponent because- as just one example- the Heat are a +5 team with Jimmy Butler, but a -2 team without him. Now obviously I still think Boston beats all those opponents healthy, but it's not unreasonable to assume it might have been a little tougher and the Celtics aren't a whopping +11 coming out of it. They even had stronger opponents fall out early and not get a chance to play them. This cuts both ways too because the Raptors might have had a negative net rating against a healthy version of the Warriors. You just can't really compare Boston's opponents overall to the Raptors playing those version of Phili and Milwaukee.

You can and should use numbers, but we can't just post the numbers without thinking about how those numbers were produced, and lean on them as evidence in this theoretical matchup.

I mean, at least I'm providing some numbers, and I'm trying to provide as much context with those numbers as possible. I've acknowledged when maybe they haven't made as much sense.

Meanwhile, the second poster in this thread talked about how people are drooling over Anunoby now, as if 2019 Anunoby was the same player (he wasn't). Others have talked about how weak the Celtics playoff opponents have been, as if they have control over that, and like they haven't been dominant for the entire season against everyone.

If the argument is that Kawhi would be the best player in the series, you'll get no argument from me. However, I don't think the gap between 2019 Kawhi and 2024 Tatum is that much bigger than the gap between 2024 Luka and 2024 Tatum.

If you want to just look at the eye test, I'd agree with an earlier poster that the only clear advantage the Raps have is Kawhi over JB. I'd take White over Lowry but could see how some might see that as a push. Most would take Jrue over Green. Then it's Tatum over Siakam. I'd take KP+Horford over Gasol+Ibaka, but I guess I could see that as a push as well. As for the bench, I'd probably take Horford/Pritchard/Hauser over Ibaka/FVV/Powell, but I can understand the argument the other way.

So what exactly is the argument for the 2019 Raptors? They weren't dominant in the regular season, and they really were not that dominant in the playoffs. The 6th seed, an approximately .500 Magic team, took a game off them. It took them 7 games to beat the Sixers and 6 games to beat the Bucks. Then they got pretty darn lucky that the Warriors suffered injuries to multiple elite players, and it still took them 6 games to beat them.

What exactly is the argument that the 2019 Raptors was a historically great team on par with the Celtics this season?

the raptors beat a number of good healthy teams in the playoffs that year. the celtics haven't beaten a good healthy team since last post season. i would say arguably the celtics team that got beaten by miami last year was better than the team this year. tatum was a much better player.

[Stan]

You can't ask Raptors questions on here, the board is WAY too biased in regards to them

[greekman]

You can't ask Raptors questions on here, the board is WAY too biased in regards to them

because kawhi's best post season performance of his career is somehow overshadowed by a team featuring tatum bricking shots and brown/white having career years.

[Vampirate]

There's numbers you can use to compare playoff teams, but these ones don't capture a good picture for a couple reasons.

1. Hard to compare the Raps and Celts in the regular season because the Raptors made a big trade deadline deal for Gasol, and also went from resting Kawhi to having him play every game. The 2019 regular season Raps are not an accurate picture of the 2019 playoff Raps.

OK.

- The 2024 Celtics had a post-All Star net rating of +14.6, ranked 1st in the league
- The 2019 Raptors had a post-All Star net rating of +7.2, ranked 3rd in the league

If we can't use those numbers either, then someone please tell me, what numbers can we use? Any at all?

2. The playoffs are so specific because you play max 4 opponents so it REALLY matters who those opponents are. The Celtics are +11 against some historically weak opponents with a high level of injury. The injuries prevent us from even being able to use relative net rating based on opponent because- as just one example- the Heat are a +5 team with Jimmy Butler, but a -2 team without him. Now obviously I still think Boston beats all those opponents healthy, but it's not unreasonable to assume it might have been a little tougher and the Celtics aren't a whopping +11 coming out of it. They even had stronger opponents fall out early and not get a chance to play them. This cuts both ways too because the Raptors might have had a negative net rating against a healthy version of the Warriors. You just can't really compare Boston's opponents overall to the Raptors playing those version of Phili and Milwaukee.

You can and should use numbers, but we can't just post the numbers without thinking about how those numbers were produced, and lean on them as evidence in this theoretical matchup.

I mean, at least I'm providing some numbers, and I'm trying to provide as much context with those numbers as possible. I've acknowledged when maybe they haven't made as much sense.

Meanwhile, the second poster in this thread talked about how people are drooling over Anunoby now, as if 2019 Anunoby was the same player (he wasn't). Others have talked about how weak the Celtics playoff opponents have been, as if they have control over that, and like they haven't been dominant for the entire season against everyone.

If the argument is that Kawhi would be the best player in the series, you'll get no argument from me. However, I don't think the gap between 2019 Kawhi and 2024 Tatum is that much bigger than the gap between 2024 Luka and 2024 Tatum.

If you want to just look at the eye test, I'd agree with an earlier poster that the only clear advantage the Raps have is Kawhi over JB. I'd take White over Lowry but could see how some might see that as a push. Most would take Jrue over Green. Then it's Tatum over Siakam. I'd take KP+Horford over Gasol+Ibaka, but I guess I could see that as a push as well. As for the bench, I'd probably take Horford/Pritchard/Hauser over Ibaka/FVV/Powell, but I can understand the argument the other way.

So what exactly is the argument for the 2019 Raptors? They weren't dominant in the regular season, and they really were not that dominant in the playoffs. The 6th seed, an approximately .500 Magic team, took a game off them. It took them 7 games to beat the Sixers and 6 games to beat the Bucks. Then they got pretty darn lucky that the Warriors suffered injuries to multiple elite players, and it still took them 6 games to beat them.

What exactly is the argument that the 2019 Raptors was a historically great team on par with the Celtics this season?

Take regular season stats with a grain of salt.

The 2018/19 Raptors won 58 Games (2nd best record) and had a 6+ point differential (3rd best).

The 2017/18 Raptors won 59 Games (2nd best record), and had a 7.8 point differential (2nd best).

[LegendOfSalmons]

There's numbers you can use to compare playoff teams, but these ones don't capture a good picture for a couple reasons.

1. Hard to compare the Raps and Celts in the regular season because the Raptors made a big trade deadline deal for Gasol, and also went from resting Kawhi to having him play every game. The 2019 regular season Raps are not an accurate picture of the 2019 playoff Raps.

OK.

- The 2024 Celtics had a post-All Star net rating of +14.6, ranked 1st in the league
- The 2019 Raptors had a post-All Star net rating of +7.2, ranked 3rd in the league

If we can't use those numbers either, then someone please tell me, what numbers can we use? Any at all?

2. The playoffs are so specific because you play max 4 opponents so it REALLY matters who those opponents are. The Celtics are +11 against some historically weak opponents with a high level of injury. The injuries prevent us from even being able to use relative net rating based on opponent because- as just one example- the Heat are a +5 team with Jimmy Butler, but a -2 team without him. Now obviously I still think Boston beats all those opponents healthy, but it's not unreasonable to assume it might have been a little tougher and the Celtics aren't a whopping +11 coming out of it. They even had stronger opponents fall out early and not get a chance to play them. This cuts both ways too because the Raptors might have had a negative net rating against a healthy version of the Warriors. You just can't really compare Boston's opponents overall to the Raptors playing those version of Phili and Milwaukee.

You can and should use numbers, but we can't just post the numbers without thinking about how those numbers were produced, and lean on them as evidence in this theoretical matchup.

I mean, at least I'm providing some numbers, and I'm trying to provide as much context with those numbers as possible. I've acknowledged when maybe they haven't made as much sense.

Meanwhile, the second poster in this thread talked about how people are drooling over Anunoby now, as if 2019 Anunoby was the same player (he wasn't). Others have talked about how weak the Celtics playoff opponents have been, as if they have control over that, and like they haven't been dominant for the entire season against everyone.

If the argument is that Kawhi would be the best player in the series, you'll get no argument from me. However, I don't think the gap between 2019 Kawhi and 2024 Tatum is that much bigger than the gap between 2024 Luka and 2024 Tatum.

If you want to just look at the eye test, I'd agree with an earlier poster that the only clear advantage the Raps have is Kawhi over JB. I'd take White over Lowry but could see how some might see that as a push. Most would take Jrue over Green. Then it's Tatum over Siakam. I'd take KP+Horford over Gasol+Ibaka, but I guess I could see that as a push as well. As for the bench, I'd probably take Horford/Pritchard/Hauser over Ibaka/FVV/Powell, but I can understand the argument the other way.

So what exactly is the argument for the 2019 Raptors? They weren't dominant in the regular season, and they really were not that dominant in the playoffs. The 6th seed, an approximately .500 Magic team, took a game off them. It took them 7 games to beat the Sixers and 6 games to beat the Bucks. Then they got pretty darn lucky that the Warriors suffered injuries to multiple elite players, and it still took them 6 games to beat them.

What exactly is the argument that the 2019 Raptors was a historically great team on par with the Celtics this season?

Lol yeah those Bucks and 76ers team should have been a walk in the park right? What a foolish argument. All you did here was **** on the Raptors. By the way, those same teams would have beat this year's Celtics.

[OfficialRef]

The Raptors beat the Bucks and sixers both of whom are much better than whoever the Celtics have beat and will beat.

Kawhi is also the obvious superior player against the Celtics. The series would be a grind with lots of bricks laid by Tatum but I trust the Raptors offense more than the Celtics.

[TravisScott55]

That would be an epic series, if I am getting healthy Kawhi I go Raptors in 6.

[PushDaRock]

A hypothetical fantasy match-up is going to come down more to eye test in my opinion. Sure, it's possible we have more biases based off an eye test but If we use just numbers, the Celtics objectively had a far easier road to a Championship than the Raptors. That's going to obviously skew numbers more towards the Celtics favor as well. That Raptors team also took a while to peak, they struggled badly in the Sixers series and got down 2-0 to the Bucks before waking up. They played their best Basketball when it mattered the most.

I'm not saying the numbers don't matter at all but it's just really difficult for me to say this Celtics team is as great as the regular numbers say because of the lack of challenge they have faced these playoffs. You could say they are just that great but imo the teams they have faced just aren't that good along with missing key players to boot.

The flaw in your reasoning is that the Celtics have been dominant throughout the regular season and the playoffs:
- They had the best SRS (which takes into account strength of schedule) by a wide margin: link
- They had the best net rating by a wide margin: link
- They had the best net rating against EC teams by a wide margin: link
- They had the best net rating against WC teams by a wide margin: link
- They had the best net rating in home games by a wide margin: link
- They had the best net rating in away games by a wide margin: link
- They had the best win percentage against teams above .500, by a wide margin: link

To just dismiss this dominance because of factors out of their control - their opponents thus far in the playoffs - is flawed reasoning. This is a team that has shown dominance all season long, in the regular season and in the playoffs, against all manner of opponents.

This is also a Raptors team that was taken to 6 games by a Warriors team that was missing KD for all but 11 minutes of the entire series, as well as Klay for 1 of the Raptors wins. So again, let's not pretend the Raptors were just some unstoppable buzzsaw in the playoffs that season, because they weren't.

I still do think it would be a hell of a series between the 2024 Celtics and the 2019 Raptors. You just can't dismiss the Kawhi superstar factor, combined with the absolute grittiness of the rest of the team.

If we go by just metrics, this Celtics team is one of the best ever (4th best NRTG All-Time). I just find it hard to think of them in this light without having to face another really good to great team this entire playoff run. Obviously, there's nothing they can do about that and they play who's in front of them but it is what it is.

Nobody is saying that Raptors team was dominant, but it was incredibly complete and it found ways to win and could play any style. It was built for the playoffs and we saw that in how they were able to overcome tough situations. So, we know that Raptors team could win a tough series but we don't know if this Boston team could have done the same.

I think that Warriors team fully healthy was one of the best teams ever assembled on paper. It had 4 Hall of Famers in their prime (2 arguably Top 10 players All-Time) with Iguodala, Cousins, Looney and Livingston as a supporting cast. It was just a ridiculously stacked team. I'm not saying the Raptors would have beat them fully healthy but I do think they still had a chance. Would you have favored this Boston team against them?

Even if you remove KD, it's still 3 HOF's and a team that went to 3 straight Finals and won 2 of them. The Raptors really should have won that series in 5 and they were the better team throughout even when Klay was playing and going off.

[PushDaRock]

There's numbers you can use to compare playoff teams, but these ones don't capture a good picture for a couple reasons.

1. Hard to compare the Raps and Celts in the regular season because the Raptors made a big trade deadline deal for Gasol, and also went from resting Kawhi to having him play every game. The 2019 regular season Raps are not an accurate picture of the 2019 playoff Raps.

OK.

- The 2024 Celtics had a post-All Star net rating of +14.6, ranked 1st in the league
- The 2019 Raptors had a post-All Star net rating of +7.2, ranked 3rd in the league

If we can't use those numbers either, then someone please tell me, what numbers can we use? Any at all?

2. The playoffs are so specific because you play max 4 opponents so it REALLY matters who those opponents are. The Celtics are +11 against some historically weak opponents with a high level of injury. The injuries prevent us from even being able to use relative net rating based on opponent because- as just one example- the Heat are a +5 team with Jimmy Butler, but a -2 team without him. Now obviously I still think Boston beats all those opponents healthy, but it's not unreasonable to assume it might have been a little tougher and the Celtics aren't a whopping +11 coming out of it. They even had stronger opponents fall out early and not get a chance to play them. This cuts both ways too because the Raptors might have had a negative net rating against a healthy version of the Warriors. You just can't really compare Boston's opponents overall to the Raptors playing those version of Phili and Milwaukee.

You can and should use numbers, but we can't just post the numbers without thinking about how those numbers were produced, and lean on them as evidence in this theoretical matchup.

I mean, at least I'm providing some numbers, and I'm trying to provide as much context with those numbers as possible. I've acknowledged when maybe they haven't made as much sense.

Meanwhile, the second poster in this thread talked about how people are drooling over Anunoby now, as if 2019 Anunoby was the same player (he wasn't). Others have talked about how weak the Celtics playoff opponents have been, as if they have control over that, and like they haven't been dominant for the entire season against everyone.

If the argument is that Kawhi would be the best player in the series, you'll get no argument from me. However, I don't think the gap between 2019 Kawhi and 2024 Tatum is that much bigger than the gap between 2024 Luka and 2024 Tatum.

If you want to just look at the eye test, I'd agree with an earlier poster that the only clear advantage the Raps have is Kawhi over JB. I'd take White over Lowry but could see how some might see that as a push. Most would take Jrue over Green. Then it's Tatum over Siakam. I'd take KP+Horford over Gasol+Ibaka, but I guess I could see that as a push as well. As for the bench, I'd probably take Horford/Pritchard/Hauser over Ibaka/FVV/Powell, but I can understand the argument the other way.

So what exactly is the argument for the 2019 Raptors? They weren't dominant in the regular season, and they really were not that dominant in the playoffs. The 6th seed, an approximately .500 Magic team, took a game off them. It took them 7 games to beat the Sixers and 6 games to beat the Bucks. Then they got pretty darn lucky that the Warriors suffered injuries to multiple elite players, and it still took them 6 games to beat them.

What exactly is the argument that the 2019 Raptors was a historically great team on par with the Celtics this season?

Take regular season stats with a grain of salt.

The 2018/19 Raptors won 58 Games (2nd best record) and had a 6+ point differential (3rd best).

The 2017/18 Raptors won 59 Games (2nd best record), and had a 7.8 point differential (2nd best).

The 19/20 Raptors also won 53 games (shortened season of 72 total games) which was a higher win % than the Championship season with Kawhi.

Nobody in their right mind would say that was a better team though.

[ITYSL]

Lol yeah those Bucks and 76ers team should have been a walk in the park right? What a foolish argument. All you did here was **** on the Raptors. By the way, those same teams would have beat this year's Celtics.

I never said they should have been a walk in the park. But if the 2019 playoff Raptors were as dominant as some are claiming, then why did it take them 7 vs. Philly, 6 vs. MIL, and then 6 vs. a severely hobbled GSW? Why did the .500 Magic take a game off them?

I'm simply asking for some kind of argument for why this 2019 Raptors team was historically dominant. The only response I've received thus far has been, "Numbers don't matter."

I already said in this thread that it would be a hell of a series between the two, largely because of the dominance of Kawhi and the grittiness of the rest of the team.

[Potential]

Raptors had one of the greatest defenses I've ever seen. Raptors had Philly and Milwaukee in hell in the 4th quarters of those close out games. Nonstop stifling defense pressuring up near half court and forcing shot clock violations and turnovers. Plus there was no OG!

[ITYSL]

If we go by just metrics, this Celtics team is one of the best ever (4th best NRTG All-Time). I just find it hard to think of them in this light without having to face another really good to great team this entire playoff run. Obviously, there's nothing they can do about that and they play who's in front of them but it is what it is.

Nobody is saying that Raptors team was dominant, but it was incredibly complete and it found ways to win and could play any style. It was built for the playoffs and we saw that in how they were able to overcome tough situations. So, we know that Raptors team could win a tough series but we don't know if this Boston team could have done the same.

I think that Warriors team fully healthy was one of the best teams ever assembled on paper. It had 4 Hall of Famers in their prime (2 arguably Top 10 players All-Time) with Iguodala, Cousins, Looney and Livingston as a supporting cast. It was just a ridiculously stacked team. I'm not saying the Raptors would have beat them fully healthy but I do think they still had a chance. Would you have favored this Boston team against them?

Even if you remove KD, it's still 3 HOF's and a team that went to 3 straight Finals and won 2 of them. The Raptors really should have won that series in 5 and they were the better team throughout even when Klay was playing and going off.

I do think that these Celtics could beat a GSW team missing KD for the whole series, and Klay for a game, in 6 or fewer games. And if the Warriors were completely healthy, I think the Celtics would have a chance against them just as you think the Raptors would.

If all three teams were 100% healthy, I'd rank them Warriors, Celtics and then Raptors, with a thin margin between all of them.

[Potential]

Raptors 2019 had the biggest scumbag fans ever. Cheering on an injury?

https://youtu.be/aFnFHX_XbWQ?si=xwMYpCO3H656bP_4

What does one individual fan have anything to do with the teams roster? are people really this clueless.

You can't hear the whole arena cheering on KD's injury? Can't you see how embarrassed Drake is?

Only thing embarrassing is the fact that this year's Boston crowd is easily one of the worst in NBA Finals history. Dead atmosphere in that building