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J-Ves wrote:Hopefully ATL keeps their pick and we can be the ones who utilize Clingan’s trade value. I know Memphis wants him but I have no idea what they have except number 9 that we want
nate33 wrote:Thoughts on Adem Bona?
He is currently mocked as the guy we take at #51. He's an athletic freak who is both huge and fast. Height is 6'-8.25 (no shoes) but with a 7'-3.35 wingspan and a 9-0 standing reach. He has an exceptional 35" standing vertical at a weight of 243 pounds. (His max vertical is 40"!). Lane agility and shuttle run are very good for a big man.
He plays with an extremely high motor, but the effect on the court is a mixed bag. 4.1 stocks per 36, but he doesn't rebound well, is way too turnover prone, and fouls a bit much.
Frichuela wrote:
doclinkin wrote:Dat2U wrote:TGW wrote:
I would take Dunn with the late FRP. Dude is a defensive beast.
He is a monster defensively.
He's also the worst offensive non-C prospect I've ever scouted and not playable on that end.
Because Ryan Dunn is mentally broken when it comes to shooting. Which does not seem to be Castle's issue.
dobrojim wrote:Besides Sheppard, are there any other truly elite shooters in this draft?
At the end of the day, you have to be able to make baskets to win.
Obviously defense is critical as well but might more about things like
mindset and effort.
I guess we will see which side of the ball our FO prioritizes in whether
we end up with Castle or Sheppard. Or whether they think a team can't afford
obvious weak links on either side of the ball and they pick a more
all-around player.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/reed-sheppard
on paper, a player rated 4 stars for EF%, TS%, 3PT%, Steals and FG%
and 3 stars for blocks and DEF+/- sounds awfully good.
Will he be the guy a year from now that everyone will say should
have obviously been taken? Or once taken if demonstrated he can't
stay in front of anyone will people say that was obvious?
trwi7 wrote:**** me deep, Giannis. ****. Me. Deep.
closg00 wrote:The beast man
nate33 wrote:
Ridiculous.
Vesely was scared out there; and he he had no skill at all. Buzelis is a pretty good all around player except that his pretty-looking shot hasn't really gone in all that much. Buzelis flaw is mostly that he doesn't have one elite skill to hang his hat on. He is a jack of all trades and master of none at the moment. If the shot comes around, then he'll be a quality NBA player. If not, then he is just a guy. But either way, he's way better than Vesely.
doclinkin wrote:closg00 wrote:The beast man
My guy. He's this year's Curry for me. I know he will go somewhere else and I will be just sick about it his entire career.
machu46 wrote:dobrojim wrote:Besides Sheppard, are there any other truly elite shooters in this draft?
At the end of the day, you have to be able to make baskets to win.
Obviously defense is critical as well but might more about things like
mindset and effort.
I guess we will see which side of the ball our FO prioritizes in whether
we end up with Castle or Sheppard. Or whether they think a team can't afford
obvious weak links on either side of the ball and they pick a more
all-around player.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/reed-sheppard
on paper, a player rated 4 stars for EF%, TS%, 3PT%, Steals and FG%
and 3 stars for blocks and DEF+/- sounds awfully good.
Will he be the guy a year from now that everyone will say should
have obviously been taken? Or once taken if demonstrated he can't
stay in front of anyone will people say that was obvious?
As others have mentioned, Knecht and McCain are two of the great shooters in this class. A few others that are arguably in there in the later part of the draft:
Jaylen Wells
Cam Spencer
Quentin Post
Dat2U wrote:machu46 wrote:dobrojim wrote:Besides Sheppard, are there any other truly elite shooters in this draft?
At the end of the day, you have to be able to make baskets to win.
Obviously defense is critical as well but might more about things like
mindset and effort.
I guess we will see which side of the ball our FO prioritizes in whether
we end up with Castle or Sheppard. Or whether they think a team can't afford
obvious weak links on either side of the ball and they pick a more
all-around player.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/reed-sheppard
on paper, a player rated 4 stars for EF%, TS%, 3PT%, Steals and FG%
and 3 stars for blocks and DEF+/- sounds awfully good.
Will he be the guy a year from now that everyone will say should
have obviously been taken? Or once taken if demonstrated he can't
stay in front of anyone will people say that was obvious?
As others have mentioned, Knecht and McCain are two of the great shooters in this class. A few others that are arguably in there in the later part of the draft:
Jaylen Wells
Cam Spencer
Quentin Post
I think you got to put Rob Dillingham in there as well as one of the elite shooters in the draft.
trwi7 wrote:**** me deep, Giannis. ****. Me. Deep.
payitforward wrote:doclinkin wrote:My guy. He's this year's Curry for me. I know he will go somewhere else and I will be just sick about it his entire career.
Yeah... it's just really hard to get past what this guy brings. He's one reason I want to trade down.
doclinkin wrote:payitforward wrote:doclinkin wrote:My guy. He's this year's Curry for me. I know he will go somewhere else and I will be just sick about it his entire career.
Yeah... it's just really hard to get past what this guy brings. He's one reason I want to trade down.
He's the captain of the 'don't overthink it' team. Only Ralph Sampson, Bill Walton, and Zack Edey have been back to back winners of the NCAA Naismith award. What part of "Best Player in Basketball" are we missing here. Do the baskets move around at the next level? Do you play it on roller skates?
I think people will understand when they see Zack Edey on court next to Embiid and Joel's face is armpit level to Edey. When Joker looks kinda small.
To put it in perspective Edey is 7'4", 300lbs and not fat. Embiid is 7' even and for all his 280lbs bulk, he still weighs 20lbs less than Edey. It's like if you stood 6'8" Kevin Love next to 7' Embiid. He's just a significantly smaller guy, even at 255lbs. Well, same way, with Edey and Embiid. Edey "Kevins" Embiid. He will look like someone just pinched the phone screen a little smaller.
Only Wemby can look Edey eye to eye, and Edey has 100lbs on the French kid. He's going to go right through that block attempt, and quite possibly break him.
And he can play. He can put the ball in the basket at an unstoppable rate, he can rebound at both ends, he can defend the lane with size and positioning, makes few mistakes ,no stupid fouls or bad passes, can use either hand on a hook shot or off glass on either side of the basket, catches easy with one hand or both, and gets better every year. Doesn't get tired, stayed healthy with high usage. Wins and wants to compete. Plays better when he is challenged. And will enter a league where he is not triple teamed on every play and can feel free to unload on opponents without worrying about accidentally crushing a dwarf underfoot. When he is able to defend and not conserve all his fouls.
People get stuck on what he doesn't do, and miss entirely the point. If you have 'unstoppable' you play 'unstoppable'. Let someone else worry about chasing around the perimeter. If the Mavs had Edey then Porzingis would be feeling those leg injuries again and we'd be back to arguing if Tatum lacks the heart to be a superstar since he's scared to go inside against the monster. Experts would be wondering if any team in the NBA has the size to counter a Doncic-to-Edey pick and roll.
I dunno. It's dumb. The Wizards are going to pass over him at #2. In favor of a french kid who will never have the resumé that this beast enters the league with. Despite all the talk about Postional Size (best in the NBA), BBIQ (among the top in college basketball), Work Ethic (clearly demonstrated) and even positional need (Mike Muscala and Danilo Galinari started at Center this year for the Wizards).
Sigh.
nate33 wrote:
Ridiculous.
Vesely was scared out there; and he he had no skill at all. Buzelis is a pretty good all around player except that his pretty-looking shot hasn't really gone in all that much. Buzelis flaw is mostly that he doesn't have one elite skill to hang his hat on. He is a jack of all trades and master of none at the moment. If the shot comes around, then he'll be a quality NBA player. If not, then he is just a guy. But either way, he's way better than Vesely.