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2024 Draft Thread - Part II

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1521 » by DCZards » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:35 pm

Dat2U wrote:Three players have made my 1st annual Jan Vesely 'Do NOT Draft under any circumstances' list:

Stephon Castle ... Wants to play PG but lacks high level PG skill. Plays like an old school PG .... slow and methodical. Doesn't see the floor instinctively and tends to holds the ball. He makes basic reads, decent handle but more of a straight line driver. Has never shot it well from range. 30% on 11 3pfga in HS. I don't see the skill or decision making to put constant pressure on defenses. Will likely be forced to move off-the-ball.

Once again, we have a very different opinion of what makes for a quality NBA PG.

The player Castle says he models his game after, Jrue Holiday, plays like an "old school PG"— methodical, deliberate, crafty. He’s on the verge of winning his second NBA championship. (BTW, Holiday shot 30% from 3 in his one year at UCLA. Very similar to what Castle shot at UConn.)

I liked Jalen Brunson because he was an “old school PG.” I argued that he was at worst an early second round pick. You said Brunson was "too slow" and shouldn’t be drafted.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1522 » by dobrojim » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:37 pm

payitforward wrote:Has anyone gone back to investigate how accurately Kevin's YODA assessments track players' NBA careers?
Not as far as I know.


Have people researched how well YODA works? Maybe not systematically/rigorously.
But I'm sure there have been discussions about it (as above). It's inevitable.

That said, TSW has, in my experience anyway, shown himself to be honest about YODA's hits and misses.

You could ask him.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1523 » by payitforward » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:42 pm

In fairness, Kevin did a later run on the 2020 draft, which isn't quite as insanely bad: https://www.bulletsforever.com/2020/11/18/21571471/wizards-2020-nba-draft-according-to-yoda

Don't get me wrong, however: it's still just awful!

Even here, for example, Tyrese Maxey, Desmond Bane, Cole Anthony & Jaden McDaniels all get DO NOT DRAFT grades.

OTOH, Nate Hinton is the 6th best prospect in the entire draft class, while Malachi Flynn is the 7th best. Waaay better than the lowly Immanuel Quickley all the way down at 32.

Naturally, Hinton & Flynn are both better draft choices than Deni Avdija! But, hey, that's ok, b/c they're also better than Anthony Edwards.

Daniel Otoru ("a lot to like here..."), while not as good as Vernon Carey Jr., is of course much better than... oh forget it.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1524 » by payitforward » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:44 pm

DCZards wrote:
payitforward wrote:Time to put YODA to bed. Here's Kevin's June 2020 YODA analysis of 2020 draft prospects: https://www.bulletsforever.com/2020/6/20/21297357/wizards-nba-draft-2020-preliminary

Some highlights:
at Center:
Isaiah Stewart -- R2
Vernon Carey Jr. -- late lottery, mid-first round.

Wings:
Joel Ayayi -- mid first round
Anthony Edwards -- mid first round

So far so good? :) Here are a few other highlights:

Payton Pritchard -- borderline undraftable (take late R2 ok)
Josh Green -- borderline undraftable (take late R2 ok)
Saddiq Bey -- borderline undraftable (take late R2 ok)

Completely undraftable: Deni Avdija, Tyrese Maxey, Cole Anthony, Jaden McDaniels.

Pretty good, huh?

Looks like a lot of misses to me--Edwards, Deni, Maxey, Anthony, McDaniels, Green.

You think? It's absolutely ridiculous!

I should have put my last sentence in a green font....
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1525 » by Rafael122 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:44 pm

So realistically, the only ones so far with a first round grade in our range are Holland, Sarr, and Clingan. I doubt Knecht is in the convo at 2 for example.

Smith is one that was mocked by one site last week at 26 IIRC.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1526 » by payitforward » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:49 pm

Here's YODA for 2021: https://www.bulletsforever.com/2021/7/29/22598081/2021-nba-draft-the-yoda-big-board-jalen-suggs-evan-mobley-cade-cunningham-alperen-sengun

It's not as insanely off as 2020, but it's still bad enough to be altogether useless!
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1527 » by tontoz » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:58 pm

Long discussion on Cody at the beginning of this vid from February. The finishes they show at the 16 minute mark are sick for a freshman.

Thank God we didn't draft the Fat Matador.

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1528 » by gambitx777 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:10 pm

My ideal draft would be trading kuz, Poole and shammaet for anything we can get. That magical trade gets us #6 and stuff then.

Take Sheppard at #2
Take dilingham at #6
Take eddy at 26
Take bronny at 51force the Lakers to trade for him for a couple of extra seconds
Then take jaylen wells at 55.

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1529 » by payitforward » Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:13 pm

Btw, in his analysis for the 2022 draft, Kevin describes Johnny Davis as an "impressive looking prospect." He's 10 spots above Jalen Duren in Kevin's ranking.

Andrew Nembhard, on the other hand, you might want to "select in the latter part of the second round or pursue as undrafted," while Kennedy Chandler is his 15th highest ranking prospect, & Vince Williams (Memphis' starting pg while Ja was out) was on "don't bother" list.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1530 » by closg00 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:25 pm

I would be interested in how FO’s develop their own metrics, the balance between analytics/fit/talent evaluation and how they arrive at their conclusions, and with-respect to YODA, how did Kevin do compared to who the Wizards drafted.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1531 » by Dat2U » Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:27 pm

DCZards wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Three players have made my 1st annual Jan Vesely 'Do NOT Draft under any circumstances' list:

Stephon Castle ... Wants to play PG but lacks high level PG skill. Plays like an old school PG .... slow and methodical. Doesn't see the floor instinctively and tends to holds the ball. He makes basic reads, decent handle but more of a straight line driver. Has never shot it well from range. 30% on 11 3pfga in HS. I don't see the skill or decision making to put constant pressure on defenses. Will likely be forced to move off-the-ball.

Once again, we have a very different opinion of what makes for a quality NBA PG.

The player Castle says he models his game after, Jrue Holiday, plays like an "old school PG"— methodical, deliberate, crafty. He’s on the verge of winning his second NBA championship. (BTW, Holiday shot 30% from 3 in his one year at UCLA. Very similar to what Castle shot at UConn.)

I liked Jalen Brunson because he was an “old school PG.” I argued that he was at worst an early second round pick. You said Brunson was "too slow" and shouldn’t be drafted.


My questions with Brunson were all athletic based. He was the 30th pick of draft - so guess what? Alot of folks had questions too.

My questions with Castle are mostly skill based.

***I can't overstate the difference there and please don't conflate playing slow with being athletically slow.***

Castle sees the floor slowly. He takes time to make reads and he doesn't have great tempo or pace IMO. I don't think a methodical, hold-the-ball PG works unless he's incredibly skilled like a Luka. Castle is decently skilled for a wing... for a PG he's got some catching up to do.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1532 » by closg00 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:29 pm

Didn’t Bilal score highly in YODA?
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1533 » by nate33 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:33 pm

closg00 wrote:Didn’t Bilal score highly in YODA?

Yes. He was the 5th best prospect behind Wemby, Scoot and the Thompson Twins.

He was the highest guy on the YODA board when we picked at #7.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1534 » by Dat2U » Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:55 pm

payitforward wrote:Btw, in his analysis for the 2022 draft, Kevin describes Johnny Davis as an "impressive looking prospect." He's 10 spots above Jalen Duren in Kevin's ranking.

Andrew Nembhard, on the other hand, you might want to "select in the latter part of the second round or pursue as undrafted," while Kennedy Chandler is his 15th highest ranking prospect, & Vince Williams (Memphis' starting pg while Ja was out) was on "don't bother" list.


To be fair ... no one or no stat module had Johnny Davis being this bad especially considering his character & work ethic coming in. He's just a complete flame out.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1535 » by dobrojim » Tue Jun 11, 2024 4:27 pm

I'll defend or you could say let Kev himself defend YODA

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2024/6/11/24175704/nba-draft-2024-wings-shooting-guard-analysis-zaccharie-risacher-washington-wizards

Yeah, the guy who’s apparently one of the very best prospects in the draft has a borderline second round grade in YODA. Is YODA wrong? Very possibly. Maybe probably. But my evaluation process is an attempt to use statistical data in an objective way, and...sometimes the numbers don’t match perceptions.


or he might have also said, the eventual results.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1536 » by 80sballboy » Tue Jun 11, 2024 4:29 pm

ESPN.com 2024 NBA mock draft: Debating 30 Round 1 picks, need, value
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/page/NBADraft24-40306325/nba-draft-2024-debating-need-value-30-round-1-picks

This mock draft isn't what we project each NBA team will do, but it's a useful way to think about the 2024 NBA draft, its eligible players and how front offices might be thinking through it as the two-day event draws closer (June 26-27, on ABC/ESPN/ESPN+).

Givony drafted players for each team prioritizing need, while Woo selected players matched with teams angling for value. Here's what happened:

NBA draft coverage:


First round

1. Atlanta Hawks

Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Donovan Clingan | UConn | C | Age: 20.2

The 36-win Hawks, who have one of the NBA's worst defenses, could surely benefit from adding the draft's best rim-protector in Clingan, who might remind coach Quin Snyder of his Utah Jazz days with Rudy Gobert patrolling the paint. Clingan, ranked No. 3 in ESPN's Top 100, could be an excellent pick-and-roll partner with Trae Young, as he sets bruising screens, has terrific hands, can facilitate out-of-dribble handoffs and zoom actions and is a good passer and finisher.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Zaccharie Risacher | Bourg (France) | SF | 19.1

Risacher possesses an excellent baseline at a young age to become a valuable starting-caliber wing who excels on both ends. He also has a strong developmental floor. The No. 1 pick isn't as clear-cut this year -- and Atlanta might need rim protection more than it explicitly needs another wing -- but Risacher is the top-ranked prospect for both Givony and me, and he comes off the board here.



2. Washington Wizards
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Alex Sarr | Perth (Australia) | PF/C | Age: 19.1

The Wizards are thin in the frontcourt after trading away Daniel Gafford at the February trade deadline. And with the third-worst opposing 2-point percentage, Washington finished last season as one of the league's worst defenses. So Sarr would fill an immediate need with his size, length, defensive versatility and rim protection, leading the Australian NBL in block percentage by a wide margin. He has real upside to tap into in other areas as well, flashing ability as a pick-and-roll finisher, perimeter shooter, ball handler and passer.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Sarr

Most teams we've spoken with around the league have a hard time seeing Sarr, who is ranked No. 2 in ESPN's Top 100, fall past Washington, and for good reason -- his potential high-end outcomes as a top rim-protector who also offers offensive versatility make him a tantalizing swing pick at No. 2. Washington has a long runway to help him develop and would be pleased to see him fall here.


3. Houston Rockets (via Nets)
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Risacher

The Rockets have stockpiled young talent at all positions, but like every NBA team, could stand to add another wing who can make shots off movement, defend point guards through power forwards, get out in transition, and have the feel for the game and unselfishness to operate alongside other good players. Risacher, with a developing frame, has significant upside to tap into with the passing ability he has flashed in other settings; for example, the French Espoirs league, where he posted 4.4 assists per game last season.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Clingan

Many teams view Clingan as one of the draft's best picks because he has the tools, talent and competitive makeup to be a high-end defensive center. Some scouts say he has a valid argument to be drafted at No. 1, and any scenario in which he falls to No. 3 and onward would make for an excellent value play here for the Rockets.


4. San Antonio Spurs
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Reed Sheppard | Kentucky | PG/SG | Age: 19.9

The Spurs (22-60) were starved for outside shooting and playmaking acumen last season, making point guard a major need heading into the draft and free agency. Sheppard, ranked No. 4 in ESPN's Top 100, is one of the best shooters in this draft class. He's unselfish and possesses an outstanding feel for the game. He has the right temperament and mentality to embrace the role of playing off the strengths of a future superstar in Victor Wembanyama.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Sheppard

Sheppard's elite analytical profile makes him a top-five option for many teams in addition to being a clear need for the Spurs. While he doesn't have the typical physical toolbox that portends great upside, at some point one has to take the numbers and film seriously -- if you project him as the draft's best-shooting point guard, there's room for him to build off that skill. Sheppard's promising trajectory gives him a chance to be the first guard off the board, and he goes to a team that would be excited to see him drop.


5. Detroit Pistons
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Matas Buzelis | G League Ignite | SF/PF | Age: 19.6

The Pistons have some big decisions ahead regarding roster construction and the fit of the existing players they've assembled on their roster already. Regardless of the direction they take, adding a tall, versatile, explosive wing such as Buzelis, who can do a little bit of everything on both ends of the floor, makes sense. Buzelis, who is ranked No. 5 in ESPN's Top 100, shows flashes of passing creativity, shot-making prowess and defensive playmaking instincts at 6-foot-10.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Buzelis

To some extent, there's no such thing as value in a vacuum -- in order for a player to return it, there has to be basic synergy in terms of fit and opportunity. Buzelis delivers strong situational value to the Pistons because of his versatility at No. 5, offering a good baseline skill set to build on at both forward positions after making tangible strides with his all-around game last season. You can never have enough tall forwards who can play on the perimeter and space the floor, which Buzelis should be able to do in time.


6. Charlotte Hornets
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Stephon Castle | UConn | PG/SG | Age: 19.5

Finding the right player to plug in between LaMelo Ball and Brandon Miller is likely a priority for the Hornets, who could use Castle's defensive versatility, unselfishness and willingness to play a role. Along with his upside at 6-foot-7 and 19 years old, Castle showed he can play winning basketball this season alongside other good players and receives consistently strong reports about his approach. All of Castle's strengths and intangibles would likely be important for Charlotte's new regime.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Castle

In addition to being a strong personnel fit for Charlotte, the No. 6 pick is right around where Castle should come off the board. He's the top perimeter defender in this class, with excellent size and qualities to add value on defense right away as he irons out his skills. You could make an argument for him in the top 5 if you believe he'll make big strides on the offensive end.


7. Portland Trail Blazers
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Ja'Kobe Walter | Baylor | SG/SF | Age: 19.7

The Trail Blazers are flush with shot-creating, offensive-minded backcourt options in Scoot Henderson, Anfernee Simons and Shaedon Sharpe, and might look to balance the roster with a 3-and-D type wing who brings shot-making prowess and versatility like Walter. His 6-foot-10 wingspan should allow him to guard all over the floor, and his ability to shoot running off screens, ducking behind handoffs, and drifting into corner 3s is attractive as a 19-year-old who has elite off-court intangibles.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Cody Williams | Colorado | SG/SF | Age: 19.5

Although he didn't have the freshman season many had hoped for, I'm still optimistic about Williams' long-term upside as a plus-defender and potential auxiliary playmaker, and wouldn't let him fall too far down the draft board working off that theory. Drafting Williams would be an interesting home run swing for Portland with its array of young perimeter talent already in place.


8. San Antonio Spurs
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Dalton Knecht | Tennessee | SF | Age: 23.1

Having hopefully addressed their point guard position long term with their pick at No. 4, it makes sense for the Spurs to add another elite shooter in Knecht, who hit 40% of his 3s while showing dynamic shot-making prowess. Knecht, a consensus first team All-American who is ranked No. 8 in ESPN's Top 100, should be one of the most NBA-ready rookies in this class, which is attractive for a Spurs team that surely wants to turn the page to playoff contention sooner rather than later.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Devin Carter | Providence | PG/SG | Age: 22.2

Count me among those who are quite high on Carter, who in my view is far from a reach inside the top 10 and figures to be immediately impactful. I also think there's a bit more upside with him than your typical 22-year-old college star; he's an elite athlete who has made strides as a scorer and should bring more than great defense (which, of course, is quite nice unto itself). I'd be thrilled to draft Carter in this range of the draft, and at the moment, that seems to be where he's headed.


9. Memphis Grizzlies
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Carter

Pairing Ja Morant with another guard such as Carter, who can defend the other team's best perimeter player, space the floor consistently and do a lot of little things getting on the glass, generating turnovers and bringing nonstop toughness, makes a lot of sense. That was the reason Memphis traded for Marcus Smart, who was limited to 20 games last season because of injuries. Carter, coming off a Big East player of the year season that also earned him All-America honors, can play in a variety of lineup configurations and roles, even alongside Smart, and can help a team ready to return to the playoffs.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Knecht

Not a pick Memphis should overthink if it stays put here at No. 9. Knecht is the draft's most polished perimeter scorer, and our top player who is left on the board after a breakout season at Tennessee. He's a legit lottery-level player because of what he brings to the table on offense, as a threat away from the ball who can attack closeouts and score at all three levels. The question of how high to take him hangs on how much more teams think he can improve, but this feels like the right place for him.


10. Utah Jazz
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Robert Dillingham | Kentucky | PG | Age: 19.4


Having never played point guard prior to this past season, it wasn't surprising to see Keyonte George have an up-and-down rookie campaign from an efficiency standpoint for the Jazz. Adding another dynamic shot creator in Dillingham makes sense, given his electric ballhandling and change of pace, as well as his creativity as a passer, off-the-dribble shooter and finisher. Dillingham, ranked No. 7 in ESPN's Top 100, has arguably more star power than any other player in this draft class.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Tidjane Salaun | Cholet (France) | PF | Age: 18.8

On sheer upside, it would be hard for me to let Salaun, one of the draft's most intriguing long-term prospects, slip out of the top 10. Utah is one of the lottery teams operating on a patient-enough timeline to take a shot on him. He's young and relatively unproven, but the flashes he has shown this season have been bright, and his frame and skill set are pretty fascinating in concert, making him a hot name going into the draft.


11. Chicago Bulls
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Williams

It makes sense for the Bulls to take a swing on talent at No. 11, as there isn't a ton to be excited about regarding long-term upside on Chicago's current roster. Williams has the type of physical ability every NBA team is looking for at 6-8 in shoes with a 7-1 wingspan, and his outstanding early-season play from November through January had some NBA teams wondering if he could make a run at the No. 1 pick prior to being derailed by injuries. He's a late bloomer who has shown playmaking, defensive versatility and perimeter shooting that can hopefully be harnessed into more consistent skills down the road.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Ron Holland | G League Ignite | SF | Age: 18.9

Although Holland might fall out of the top 10 on draft night, it's pretty strong value for Chicago at No. 11 to draft a player who was, a year ago, in the mix at No. 1 overall. If Holland, who is ranked No. 11 in ESPN's Top 100, can improve his shooting and decision-making, he would be a solid addition for the Bulls, who could use a bigger wing defender and scorer long term.


12. Oklahoma City Thunder (via Rockets)
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Nikola Topic | Red Star (Serbia) | PG | Age: 18.8

With a roster flush with talent at every position, it might make sense for the Thunder to consider drafting Topic, who was widely considered a top-5 prospect prior to suffering a knee injury. Oklahoma City can afford to redshirt Topic next season, extend Josh Giddey at a palatable number and then slide a healthy Topic (the two share plenty of similarities) into Giddey's place if they eventually need to move the Australian due to luxury tax concerns.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Topic

Not only does Topic suit the Thunder's needs well, but he's a solid value for any team if he falls outside the top 10. Even if his partially torn ACL causes him to miss some or all of next season, drafting him now is a long-term value play. There were scouts who viewed him as a top-pick contender early in the season, and particularly if he does wind up sliding like this on draft night, Topic will be an interesting pro career to track in the years to come.


13. Sacramento Kings
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Jared McCain | Duke | PG | Age: 20.2

Malik Monk, who finished second in the NBA Sixth Man of the Year voting, is entering unrestricted free agency and Sacramento might be priced out of retaining him because of salary cap rules. Enter McCain, one of the best shooter/scorers in this draft, who happens to hail from Sacramento. McCain has an easy niche he can fill in the NBA with his scoring versatility, basketball instincts, competitiveness and smarts, making him an attractive option at No. 13.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: McCain

I personally prefer McCain to the guards left on the board in my scenario such as Walter, Dillingham and Isaiah Collier. McCain might not be quite as flashy or have the same level of upside, but teams should know exactly what they're getting. He's going to make shots and raise the basketball IQ of whoever else is on the floor with him, and there's intangible upside in that.


14. Portland Trail Blazers (via Warriors)
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Salaun

Continuing to add shooting, length, defensive versatility, intensity and winning intangibles will likely be points of emphasis for Portland as it continues to rebuild its roster in the wake of the Damian Lillard trade. Enter Salaun, who brings all those qualities as well as one of the highest ceilings in this draft with his impressive long-term potential. He has the size to eventually play as a small-ball center as his frame fills out, but he also made quite a few 3-pointers this season and was tasked with guarding all over the floor.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Dillingham

Considering the number of scoring guards on the Blazers' roster, I don't expect Portland will go this route. But if you buy Dillingham's upside, his shot-creation skills would be hard to let slip much further than this on the draft board. At a certain point, I'd take a shot on him and hope his offensive talent cures all else.


15. Miami Heat
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Holland

It makes sense here for the Heat to take a flyer on a high-upside prospect such as Holland, who was at one point a candidate for the No. 1 pick. Miami has done a great job of helping players improve their perimeter shooting and decision-making consistency, and Holland's competitiveness and aggressiveness will likely be valued by an organization that places a premium on those attributes.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Walter

Grabbing a reliable 3-and-D wing in the middle of the first round is rarely a bad value play, and Walter's intangibles and shot-making should appeal to the Heat as a useful addition. I think this is the correct part of the draft for him to deliver a solid return.


16. Philadelphia 76ers
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Tristan da Silva | Colorado | SF/PF | Age: 23.0

With Tobias Harris entering unrestricted free agency and coming off making $39 million, it might make sense for the Sixers to draft a player at his position to give them insurance. Da Silva, ranked No. 17 in ESPN's Top 100, has excellent size at 6-foot-10, made 40% of his 3-pointers and brings a strong feel for the game, unselfishness and competitiveness on both ends of the floor. He should be ready to play fairly soon for a team that's not looking to take a step backward.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Carlton Carrington | Pittsburgh | PG/SG | Age: 18.8

The Sixers hit big on Tyrese Maxey in 2020 when he fell to them at No. 21. And in much the same way, Carrington has a chance to deliver pretty exciting value outside the lottery. Whether Philadelphia would go this route is fair to ask -- they could use more immediate help -- but a Carrington-Maxey backcourt pairing would be exciting for the future.


17. Los Angeles Lakers
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Zach Edey | Purdue | C | Age: 22.0

Anthony Davis is coming off his best season in years from a durability standpoint but will likely need to have his minutes managed, and he has always preferred to play alongside another big man. Enter Edey, who can bring the Lakers some of the physicality they've been lacking inside the paint at times, finishing as the NBA's worst offensive-rebounding team last season. Edey, ranked No. 16 in ESPN's Top 100, is an elite screener, foul-drawer and finisher, and he comes ready to help a team as the best player in college basketball the past two years.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Da Silva

This is around the back end of what Da Silva's range appears to be, with most every team in the Nos. 12-18 range showing interest. This pick would marry both need and value for the Lakers, who can draft a useful, multi-positional player with Da Silva here -- that is, if Los Angeles keeps the pick.


18. Orlando Magic
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Johnny Furphy | Kansas | SG/SF | Age: 19.4

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The Magic ranked among the NBA's least prolific teams in both 3-pointers made and attempted last season. Enter Furphy, who has multi-positional versatility operating in different lineup configurations with some outside shooting potential. Furphy, ranked No. 18 in ESPN's Top 100, also brings toughness, activity and youth, with the upside to continue to grow thanks to his steep development trajectory.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Isaiah Collier | USC | PG | Age: 19.6

There's a reason why Collier was once viewed as a top-pick candidate, and it would be hard for me to let him fall further than this. He'll need time to hone his shooting and decision-making, and if those skills don't improve enough, this could be a miss, but his strength, burst and passing skills are appealing. There aren't a ton of teams that need a developmental point guard in the Nos. 10-20 range, which might contribute to a draft night slide for Collier. But I think there's worthwhile upside to take a swing here for Orlando, even if there are higher priority needs elsewhere.


19. Toronto Raptors (via Pacers)
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Kyshawn George | Miami | SG/SF | Age: 20.4

Surrounding primary ball handler Scottie Barnes with ample floor spacing will likely continue to be a priority for Toronto. George hit 41% of his 3-pointers last season and is intriguing to teams as a 6-foot-8 player with guard skills, fluidity-changing speeds and strong instincts on both ends of the floor. George, the No. 19-ranked player in ESPN's Top 100, has significant upside he can tap into with the late-blooming trajectory.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Furphy

The 19-year-old Furphy has a lot of development ahead of him after a surprise one-and-done campaign, but his size and shooting ability give him a good baseline to find an NBA role. Toronto presumably won't go this route in the draft after selecting another wing shooter from Kansas, Gradey Dick, in last year's draft -- but if need were no object, I'd take a chance on him.


20. Cleveland Cavaliers
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Kyle Filipowski | Duke | C | Age: 20.5

Having another skilled big man to play between Evan Mobley and Jarrett Allen could be interesting from a lineup perspective for the Cavs, since neither player offers much floor spacing. Filipowski's ability to handle, pass and shoot is difficult to come by at 7-foot, and pairing the No. 21 ranked prospect in ESPN's Top 100 alongside another rim-protector could help alleviate concerns around his defensive profile.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Edey

Edey comes off the board first for me here at No. 20 out of a group of three centers, all of whom bring different things to the table but project optimistically at a somewhat similar level. Edey is unique enough to take a chance on him -- I love his toughness and mentality -- and he's more polished than the two centers I slotted after him.


21. New Orleans Pelicans (via Bucks)
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Carrington

The Pelicans have good depth and might be willing to take a swing on a high-upside player such as Carrington, who has one of the highest ceilings of any prospect in this range. With CJ McCollum approaching his mid-30s, backcourt depth will likely be important for the Pelicans, and Carrington has the type of length and shot-making prowess that could certainly fit with the other rostered players.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Kel'el Ware | Indiana | C | Age: 20.1

I've come around a bit on the realistic chance of Ware realizing his potential after a strong second half of the season at Indiana. If he can find it in himself to keep producing at that level, Ware could easily outperform this spot with his level of touch, coordination and physical gifts at his size. This is still a gamble at No. 21, but an interesting one for a New Orleans team that might need to reenvision its minutes at center next season.


22. Phoenix Suns
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Tyler Kolek | Marquette | PG | Age: 23.2

The Suns didn't have a legit point guard last season, a decision that seemed to backfire as they were swept in the first round of the playoffs. Kolek, 23, is more battle-tested than most draft prospects, bringing elite toughness, feel for the game and playmaking acumen operating out of pick-and-rolls. Kolek, ranked No. 26 in ESPN's Top 100, has shown he can play off the ball as well, making 39% of his 3-pointers the past two seasons, which is important considering the high-usage star power already on the roster in Kevin Durant, Devin Booker and Bradley Beal.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: George

George has many of the fundamental elements you want in a perimeter player -- he is a good passer and shooter with excellent size for a guard -- but he is going to have to successfully adjust to the speed and physicality of the NBA, which will take some time. There are safer bets on the board in the top 20, but after a certain point, I love the idea of what George can become.


23. Milwaukee Bucks (via Pelicans)
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Ware

The Bucks will likely want to improve their frontcourt depth this offseason, with 36-year-old Brook Lopez entering the final season of his contract, and Bobby Portis able to opt out next summer. There aren't many 7-footers who can cover ground, score with explosiveness and touch around the basket, space the floor and protect the rim like Ware. The 20-year-old can carve out a coveted stretch-5 niche and has the upside to grow into it in the long term.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Yves Missi | Baylor | C | Age: 20.0

Missi might get drafted ahead of Edey and Ware, and his physical strength and stature make him a different type of center. Missi, ranked No. 23 in ESPN's Top 100, is also probably the furthest off from contributing useful minutes. But he's the last top 20-ish caliber player on the board for me at this point, and would slide into a comfortable spot with the Bucks, who are expected to be in the market for a big here.


24. New York Knicks (via Mavericks)
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Missi

The Knicks ran out of bodies in a grueling playoff run, likely requiring the team to look at adding roster depth this summer, preferably inexpensively as the luxury tax aprons could become a real concern. Missi has had no shortage of explosive moments as a freshman at Baylor, highlighting his elite physical tools as well as the potential he can grow into having only started playing organized basketball at the age of 16.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Filipowski

Filipowski's skill level at his size is a legitimate calling card with NBA-caliber handling, passing and (ideally) shooting ability from outside the arc in time. He is a unique prospect, if not for every team. And while it might take the right fit for him to be optimized on an NBA roster, we are drafting for value here -- the No. 24 pick makes a nice spot for the Knicks to draft him.


25. New York Knicks
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Baylor Scheierman | Creighton | SG/SF | Age: 23.6



Adding a wing who could bring much-needed floor spacing would likely be beneficial for the Knicks, especially one with the type of basketball instincts and competitiveness Scheierman displays. The No. 25-ranked prospect in ESPN's Top 100 should be more ready to contribute than most rookies -- he turns 24 in September -- which might help his cause in getting on the floor under coach Tom Thibodeau despite his defensive shortcomings.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Jaylon Tyson | California | SG/SF | Age: 21.5

Tyson was a popular sleeper around the league during the season, but has since become a little bit divisive, with some teams viewing him as a top-20 caliber prospect while others have him as more of a fringe first-rounder. Tyson, ranked No. 28 in ESPN's Top 100, has the offensive game to deliver on this slot in the right situation. I split the difference here in handing him to the Knicks.


26. Washington Wizards (via Clippers)
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Collier

Collier is one of the most talented guard prospects in this class -- one of the reasons he was considered a candidate at No. 1 early in the season before an uneven freshman campaign derailed him. The Wizards are early in their rebuilding process with plenty of shot-creation possessions to go around, and would likely be thrilled to add a high-upside prospect such as Collier. He could emerge as a major steal at this point in the draft.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Cameron Christie | Minnesota | SG | Age: 18.8

Throwing a dart at Christie in the 20s of the draft, after other young project players such as George and Furphy are off the board, is a good value play in my mind. Had Christie played for a blue-blood program and had the caliber of season he had for Minnesota, we might look at him as someone worthy of drafting 10 spots higher. He'd be a feasible long-term project for the Wizards.


27. Minnesota Timberwolves
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Juan Nunez | Ratiopharm Ulm (Germany) | PG | Age: 20.0

With starting point guard Mike Conley turning 37 in October, finding a successor to pair with Anthony Edwards in the backcourt will likely be a priority for Minnesota. Nunez has dimensions closer to that of an NBA wing than a point guard, but he is one of the best passers in this draft class, an absolute pick-and-roll maestro thanks to his outstanding creativity and feel for the game. The Timberwolves might feel like they could get him with their No. 37 pick rather than drafting him here, but there might not be many great point guard options available in the second round.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Kolek

Although some scouts find it hard to see past Kolek's limited measurables and athleticism, he has the chops to run a team at a high level and a strong college career under his belt at Marquette. Just a handful of experienced, quality point guards are in this class, and at this range, a playoff-caliber team should take a shot on him as a developmental backup.


28. Denver Nuggets
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Tyson

The Nuggets don't have a plethora of shot-creating options on their roster and might be enticed to take a swing on one at this stage of the draft. Tyson's positional size, productivity and versatility as a 6-7 guard who can handle the ball, find teammates creatively and shoot from the perimeter stood out in the Pac-12 all season.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Scheierman

Scheierman's ability to play off screens and knock down shots, coupled with good size and basketball acumen, make him more multidimensional than your typical shooter, and has turned him into a first-round-caliber prospect worthy of selection in the 20s. He'd be good value for any of the contenders in this range, and in this case that's Denver.


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29. Utah Jazz (via Thunder)
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Bobi Klintman | Cairns (Australia) | SF/PF | Age: 21.2

Adding wing depth would make sense for Utah. At 6-foot-10, Klintman shows intriguing versatility with his perimeter shooting, transition-finishing prowess and defensive versatility, making him a strong candidate to come off the board at this range. Every team is theoretically looking for players in this mold who can stretch the floor, attack closeouts, get out in the open court and have some playmaking ability getting on the glass and generating turnovers.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Tyler Smith | G League Ignite | SF/PF | Age: 19.6

Although a handful of other teenage prospects have been buzzier names in the pre-draft process, Smith shouldn't be forgotten as an improving stretch-4 with a positive G League season under his belt at a young age. I like him as a long-term investment here, where he could return top-20 value in the right developmental spot.


30. Boston Celtics
Givony's pick that fills the biggest need: Christie

With one of the NBA's priciest rosters, Boston has some luxury tax issues it might eventually need to address, so hitting on this pick and finding a legit contributor could be beneficial. Christie might not be particularly close to helping the Celtics just yet, but his combination of size and shot-making diversity is intriguing at 18 years old and gives him one of the highest upsides of any player in this range.

Woo's pick that gets the best value: Pacome Dadiet | Ratiopharm Ulm | SG/SF | Age: 18.8

Dadiet, ranked No. 29 in ESPN's Top 100, has started to draw late first-round interest coming out of the NBA's Treviso (Italy) camp, with some versatility on the perimeter, good size and scoring flashes that give him a chance to stick with a team. His defense is a concern, but presuming he remains in this year's draft (the deadline for international players is Sunday), he's an interesting upside swing with a lot of development ahead of him.

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1537 » by tontoz » Tue Jun 11, 2024 4:31 pm

dobrojim wrote:I'll defend or you could say let Kev himself defend YODA

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2024/6/11/24175704/nba-draft-2024-wings-shooting-guard-analysis-zaccharie-risacher-washington-wizards

Yeah, the guy who’s apparently one of the very best prospects in the draft has a borderline second round grade in YODA. Is YODA wrong? Very possibly. Maybe probably. But my evaluation process is an attempt to use statistical data in an objective way, and...sometimes the numbers don’t match perceptions.


or he might have also said, the eventual results.



Relying just on stats is going to yield some bad results when evaluating guys that are so young. I think you also have to watch them play to look for high end traits that will translate to the NBA.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1538 » by 80sballboy » Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:08 pm

Thirty teams have spent the past year canvassing the globe to make sense of the 2024 NBA draft class, identifying the top prospects and what makes them intriguing.

Scouting reports are filled with details and descriptors to better distinguish one player from another. Evaluation encompasses myriad factors, of course -- but which prospects have earned superlatives? Which players come to mind as the best playmakers, shooters and defenders?

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As draft night approaches less than three weeks from now (June 26-27 in Brooklyn, New York, on ABC/ESPN/ESPN+), who is truly the best in the class at each individual skill?

ESPN draft analysts Jonathan Givony and Jeremy Woo put together their list of the leading prospects, assessing traits in 20 categories.



Best pick-and-roll finisher: Zach Edey, C, Purdue
Edey, ranked No. 16 in ESPN's Top 100, is a dream target for playmaking guards to pair with in pick-and-roll actions. He sets wide, bruising screens at 7-foot-5, 298 pounds and is an outstanding mark rolling to the paint and catching everything thrown his way with his huge, magnetic hands and 7-foot-11 wingspan. Purdue's small guards would often throw the ball up in the general vicinity of the rim under duress and let Edey go catch it.

He understands the art of rescreening if his initial pick doesn't achieve the desired outcome, and has improved his ability to operate out of zoom actions/dribble-handoffs, catch-and-make decisions out of short rolls, or mix-in slips to keep defenses off-balance. Even if he doesn't catch the ball rolling to the basket (where he is absolutely devastating), the amount of gravity he attracts sucking in off-ball defenders tagging off shooters often creates wide-open corner 3s for teammates -- a big reason the Boilermakers shot 40% for 3 this season, the second-best rate in college basketball. -- Givony



Best pick-and-roll playmaker: Nikola Topic, PG, Red Star Belgrade (Serbia)
Topic ranked as one of the best pick-and-roll players in European basketball already as an 18-year-old, which is scary considering how point guards typically improve in this area with age and experience. His ability to make instantaneous reads mapping out the court and processing the game with precision is a rare and coveted commodity in today's NBA. Pocket passes, skips, lobs, using the strong or weak side -- he sprays the ball all over the floor with incredible timing and accuracy. He is also patient while probing and putting defenders in a hostage dribble by using or rejecting screens and adjusting on the fly to every coverage.

Topic, ranked No. 10 in ESPN's Top 100, uses his unique, unflappable demeanor no matter how defenses try to slow him down. The fact that he's not only an outstanding passer, but also an absolute force as a driver getting into the paint and finishing aggressively through contact (60% 2P% in 23 games this season) at 6-foot-7 should allow him to shoulder significant usage in the fast-paced NBA, especially as his jump shot continues to improve. -- Givony


Best ball handler: Rob Dillingham, PG, Kentucky
Dillingham's jittery handle, burst and explosive change of gear makes it difficult for opponents to stay in front of him. He has a wide array of elusive moves at his disposal, including herky-jerky crossovers, double crossovers, in-and-out dribbles, behind-the-back dribbles and more, which he combines with sharp changes of speed, accelerating from slow to fast with either hand to take the paint and finish with touch around the rim.

The threat of his pull-up jumper, as well as his ability to probe, use or reject ball screens gives the ESPN Top 100 No. 7 Dillingham great potential manipulating opposing defenses. He will be even more of a threat with the plethora of space he'll enjoy in the NBA. -- Givony


Best pull-up shooter: Cam Spencer, SG, UConn


Spencer is one of the overall best shooters among prospects in the draft, hitting 44% of his 3-point attempts (43% the season before) and 91% of his free throws, but the fact that he's so dynamic in getting his jumper off is worth noting. Spencer, ranked No. 59 in ESPN's Top 100, hit a scorching 47% of his pull-up 3s this season, while also converting more 3s running off screens than anyone in the class. He aggressively hunts pull-up 3s dribbling up the floor in transition, loves pulling up off escape dribbles after sidestepping hard closeouts with his pump fake and regularly punishes defenses for going under ball screens.

Also, Kentucky's Reed Sheppard deserves mention in this category. He hit 51% of his pull-up 3s, but did so on nearly half the sample size of Spencer's, being more judicious with his attempts. -- Givony


Best spot-up shooter: Reed Sheppard, PG/SG, Kentucky
Sheppard gave defenses headaches at Kentucky with absurdly consistent shot-making prowess, hitting 56 of his 109 catch-and-shoot attempts (per Synergy) and shooting 51.4% on the season from long range. His release is compact and consistent, with minimal dip and wasted motion, and his lower-body balance and shot-prep habits are excellent, giving him a high-level skill that should translate to NBA range.

Sheppard, ranked No. 4 in ESPN's Top 100, looks comfortable from all over the arc, and has a great baseline to keep improving, with room to hone his shot even more off the bounce if he can gain separation at a higher level. His ability to space the floor away from the ball simplifies his path into a role quite a bit, with his ceiling tied to how much he can expand his game as a handler. But there's a very legitimate shooting profile here that could also see him become more of an off-ball threat if needed. -- Woo


Best movement shooter: Dalton Knecht, SF, Tennessee
Tennessee gave Knecht all the work he could handle as a scorer this season, and he proved quite dangerous working away from the ball, making 39.7% of his total shots off screens and 36.8% of 3s. He has developed a good understanding of how to set defenders up and can knock down jumpers cleanly on the move or off one dribble. Knecht has excellent directional footwork and never works in too much of a hurry, helping him save time and create space setting up his jumper. The key for Knecht, who is ranked No. 8 in ESPN's Top 100, isn't just consistency of release, but also knowing how to receive the ball, stay balanced and work quickly with defenders in pursuit.

There's also an argument here for Creighton's Baylor Scheierman, who has transformed himself into a dangerous off-ball scorer since transferring from South Dakota State. He hit 40.6% of 3s off screens, with a quick left-handed release that will make him dangerous out of the gate. -- Woo


Best offensive rebounder: Ariel Hukporti, C, Melbourne (Australia)
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On a per-minute basis, Hukporti is the top rebounder among draft prospects, averaging an impressive 16 boards per-40 in 36 NBL games. Having returned to better health after a series of lower-body injuries, the 22-year-old 7-footer brings a solid motor on the glass and the sheer size to hold his position and rebound missed opportunities. With a 7-2 wingspan and 9-3 standing reach, the ESPN Top 100 No. 64 prospect takes up quite a bit of room on the interior.

Though his prospect status diminished to an extent after last season's torn Achilles, and then his inability to participate in the draft combine or conduct workouts because of a minor knee injury, his offensive rebounding numbers are on par with Edey in this draft, giving NBA teams something to think about as they search for second-round value. Hukporti's limitations will land him in the second round at best, but his prowess on the glass offers sleeper appeal. -- Woo


Best leaper/dunker: Matas Buzelis, SF/PF, G League Ignite
Buzelis had 38 dunks this season, showing off his 38-inch vertical leap in a variety of ways off cuts, in the open court, as a pick-and-roll finisher, with put-backs and getting downhill with either hand out of isolation. Not many 19-year olds at 6-10 have the audacity to pull off in-game windmills like Buzelis did in the G League this season, but that combination of explosiveness and bravado is a big part of his appeal.

As Buzelis' frame continues to fill out and his ballhandling improves, it would not be surprising at all to see him poster many more highlight-reel finishes, as it appears that he is still at an early stage of development physically and athletically. Do not be surprised to see Buzelis, who is ranked No. 5 in ESPN's Top 100, try his luck in the NBA dunk contest next February. -- Givony


Best defensive playmaker: Ryan Dunn, SF/PF, Virginia
Dunn's strongest selling point is his phenomenal block and steal rates, using his 7-1 wingspan, quick hands and instincts to shrink the floor as a disruptive perimeter presence. Averaging 2.3 blocks and 1.3 steals per game on the wing last season, despite Virginia's low-possession style, was quite an achievement, giving him a pathway to an NBA niche as a defensive specialist.

It's the type of outlier production that makes you consider best-case scenarios for the No. 34 prospect in ESPN's Top 100, even though there's a good amount of risk if he doesn't develop as a shooter. His offensive game remains a major work in progress, but Dunn's knack for blowing up plays and winning the ball back sets him apart from his peers and makes him a real consideration as a development pick. -- Woo



Best shot-blocker: Donovan Clingan, C, UConn
Clingan's combination of elite size (7-3, 7-6¾ wingspan, 9-7 standing reach), coordinated footwork and feel for positioning and timing makes him the draft's top rim-protector, having drawn Rudy Gobert comparisons from his more optimistic fans in NBA front offices. Once he worked back into better conditioning and health, his season turned around in a major way, as he walled off the paint in the NCAA tournament and showed the defensive impact he can make.

The area the No. 3 prospect in ESPN's Top 100 covers and the visual impact he has on the floor can make scoring a daunting task for opposing offenses. While not a vertically explosive help-side rim-protector, Clingan has the length and hand speed to contest everything in his area and make bigs and drivers alike uncomfortable. He's well-suited to drop coverage and has the potential to be one of the NBA's premier defensive bigs if all goes well for him. -- Woo


Best off-ball defender: Zaccharie Risacher, SF, Bourg (France)
Off-ball defense is a skill that takes most players years to learn because of the intricacies of simultaneously tracking the ball as well as their man, being aware of low-man rotation responsibilities, knowing when to deny, when to fill gaps, when to gamble for steals and how to best effectively communicate with teammates on the fly, etc. In Risacher, ESPN's Top 100 No. 1 prospect, an NBA team will be getting a player who is well ahead of his years on the defensive end, particularly regarding his ability to navigate screens.

Bourg, the No. 1-ranked defense in both the French League and EuroCup, often tasked Risacher with guarding the other team's best scorer, even diminutive point guards, which you rarely see from a 6-10 teenager at this level. Risacher's activity staying connected to opponents off the ball, fluidity "getting skinny" fighting through or over the top of screens, and quickness covering ground to get back into plays to contest shots with his 8-11 standing reach (on par with most NBA power forwards) made him uniquely effective with his high-level awareness, instincts and intensity level. As he fills out his 195-pound frame, he should continue to improve. -- Givony



Best on-ball defender: Stephon Castle, PG/SG, UConn
Castle, ranked No. 6 in ESPN's Top 100, combines excellent size, at 6-7 and 210 pounds with a 6-9 wingspan, with great agility and quickness in pursuit, allowing him to stay close to ball handlers, take away space and create problems at the point of attack. He can sit low in a stance, get beaten and still recover in time to get a quality contest. He also does an excellent job navigating ball screens and staying involved in the play when at a disadvantage.

Castle's ability to stay attached, switch and match up with guards of all sizes creates a major advantage for defensive scheming, something UConn utilized to great effect during its title run. Having a defender of that quality who can adequately slow down both guards and wings is a luxury for NBA teams. -- Woo


Best full-court defender: Jamal Shead, PG, Houston
A notorious pest for ball handlers to deal with, Shead is fearless and disruptive picking up the ball and applying pressure up and down the floor. A huge part of Houston's success, Shead's ability to slow down guards, shave time off the clock and disrupt the flow of opposing offenses proved special by the end of his college career.

Physical and highly active in spite of his smaller stature, Shead can even give taller guards problems by taking away angles, deflecting passes and covering ground with sheer effort and anticipation. It's difficult to bully him or move him due to his low center of gravity and his toughness in embracing that role while applying pressure. Shead, ranked No. 51 in ESPN's Top 100, will be challenged by bigger NBA players, but his combination of motor and defensive chops will help him carve a niche. -- Woo


Best clutch player: Devin Carter, PG/SG, Providence
Carter has vaulted up the draft board this season for a range of reasons; his defense, improved scoring and strong intangibles are among them. The No. 13 prospect in ESPN's Top 100 has built that reputation with strong play when it matters, helping to carry a Providence team that wasn't the deepest or most talented to 21 wins and an NIT berth.

He has a knack for showing up on both ends of the floor when it counts, with a steely, focused approach -- his 10 overtime points in a win over Butler on Dec. 23 was a signature moment. The success he and Providence had, despite the Friars arguably over-relying on Carter at times -- was a testament to the way he showed up when it mattered. -- Woo


Best motor: Adem Bona, C, UCLA


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No player in this draft plays harder than Bona, who flies up and down the court with incredible purpose, hedging screens well beyond the 3-point line and chasing down blocks in transition with track-star-type speed. He and Dunn are the only players in our Top 100 to average over 1.5 steals and 2.5 blocks per 40 minutes, a testament to his ability to flip his hips, cover ground and get off his feet with superb quickness, aided by his 7-4 wingspan and 40-inch vertical leap.

Bona, ranked No. 37 in ESPN's Top 100, has a combination of power, explosiveness and intensity that is difficult to come by. Pairing those skills with his sheer hustle is something he can hang his hat on in the NBA as his offensive skills and feel for the game hopefully improve over time. -- Givony


Best backstory: Enrique Freeman, PF/C, Akron
Coming out of St. Martin De Porres High, a small Catholic school in Cleveland, Freeman had zero offers to play college basketball at any level of the sport. So he enrolled at Akron on an academic scholarship, and then an opportunity to try out as a walk-on emerged, which led to a spot on the Zips' scout team. Freeman played 13 total minutes in his first season of college basketball but developed into a three-time all-conference player and MAC Player of the Year in his final season of eligibility.

Freeman worked his way up from the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament to the G League Elite Camp to the NBA draft combine with his tenacious play on both ends of the floor, while hitting a strong 8-for-16 on 3-pointers through seven games -- a welcome sign for NBA scouts. While undersized at 6-8½ in shoes, he has a 7-2 wingspan that helped him lead all of Division I in rebounding. Ranked No. 59 in ESPN's Top 100, he's firmly on teams' radars to hear his name called on draft night. -- Givony


Best unicorn potential: Alex Sarr, PF/C, Perth (Australia)
Every team in the NBA is looking for a unicorn -- loosely defined as a big man with guard skills -- such as current players Kristaps Porzingis, Chet Holmgren, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Anthony Davis, Joel Embiid, Nikola Jokic, Karl-Anthony Towns and Victor Wembanyama. They warp the court with their ballhandling, passing and floor-spacing ability on one end, and anchor a team's defense on the other, allowing a coach to play them in double-big men lineups alongside more traditional centers.

This year's best unicorn candidate among prospects is Sarr, who led the Australian NBL in block percentage, hit 22 3-pointers in 35 games and had some enticing moments pushing off the defensive glass, passing on the move and attacking slower-footed opponents off the dribble in small doses. Scouts have some questions about his toughness and feel for the game, but the physical tools and flashes of two-way versatility give the No. 2 prospect in ESPN's Top 100 a high upside to tap into long-term. -- Givony
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1539 » by Wiz99 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:14 pm

Rafael122 wrote:So realistically, the only ones so far with a first round grade in our range are Holland, Sarr, and Clingan.


Ugh… I don’t feel great about taking any of these 3 guys at #2. If Hawks take Risacher at 1 I’d want to trade down.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1540 » by tontoz » Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:31 pm

Rafael122 wrote:So realistically, the only ones so far with a first round grade in our range are Holland, Sarr, and Clingan. I doubt Knecht is in the convo at 2 for example.

Smith is one that was mocked by one site last week at 26 IIRC.


Keep in mind he hasn't done grades for guards yet.
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