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redslastlaugh wrote:Official measurements released a couple days ago from the top Euro prospects:
https://www.leaguehim.com/news/2024-nba-treviso-draft-combine-measurements
Looks like all the major prospects measured pretty well, no downside shockers anyway.
Juan Nunez at 6-4 (no shoes) and weight of 205 is good size for a PGSpoiler:
djFan71 wrote:Spoiler:
I think Klay and Bane are poor low-usage off-ball examples, not sure I'd lead with them, but the rest of the list does have a lot of guys I'd consider that role. It's a good theory and examples backing it up. To me it does kinda prove that most players that have been drafted have been high-usage. But I'm not sure it necessarily proves that a low usage college guy can't translate in a low-usage pro role. Also, I think drafting historically has been overlooking those guys and focusing more on high usage by default. You almost need the opposite list to really prove the point - low usage guys that were drafted and see if they did / didn't pan out.
As you say, some of the guys at the bottom are pretty good exceptions - Duncan, Connaughton, Melton, Murphy. Bridges could be in that exception category due to his teammates this year.
NuckyPowell wrote:If Ainge was still in charge, he'd be all over KJ Simpson. He loved him some small guards, and Simpson is really talented. I don't think Brad wants small guards. Apropos of nothing, I just happened to watch his highlights.
Hal14 wrote:Updated list of guys we have worked out:
This Tristan Enaruna guy is interesting.
-6'8.25", a 7'2" wingspan, 213 lbs. Looking at the measurements, the stats and the film..looks like a guy whose ideal position is the 4. As we know, Brad has tried tinkering and experimenting over the past few yrs with lots of different guys in that "backup PF" spot, giving lots of different guys a shot. Grant grabbed that spot and made it his during the 21-22 season and most of the 22-23 season but he's gone now. Now we have Hauser but he's more of a wing than a true 4. Brissett is a true 4, but he is obviously limited on offense and it doesn't seem he is a long term piece of the puzzle here.
-It seems like the main thing he brings to the table is scoring. Averaged 19 PPG this season. Which is interesting because Brissett is a backup PF who is very limited as a scorer. Who knows, maybe Brad is now thinking that guys like Tillman/Kornet/Springer/Brissett are good reg season minutes eater, end of the bench type of guys, but Mazzulla hasn't really been putting them into the playoff rotation, barely at all. Maybe Joe/Brad are thinking that a guy needs to be more of a threat with the ball in their hands in order to see playoff rotation mins. This Enaruna guy, he has size..and for a guy with that kind of size, appears to be pretty skilled at putting the ball on the floor, handling the ball, getting the ball in the basket, can hit some fadeaways, has good touch in the mid range, has a "bag".
Maybe they're thinking (kind of like with Hauser and Pritchard) that even if he is limited on defense (tbh, I don't even know how Enaruna is on D, am just starting to look at him now), we can coach him up to be playable on D (a lot of D is effort..and plus Enaruna has pretty good mobility and a 7'2" wingspan so they're probably thinking there is decent upside on D) but it's harder to coach guys up to be capable scorers. Idk, that might be what they're thinking here.
Or maybe they just brought him in for a workout to have a look and there's nothing more to it than that. But this guy looks like he can go and get a bucket. And he's got size..and some upside as a defender.
-No, he's not a 3 pt shooter. 32% from 3 this season..26% for his career in college. Not great from the FT line. But there's levels to shooting. I think too often people think of it as black or white, like he's either a shooter or he's not. IMO there's different buckets:
-Elite shooter
-Good shooter
-Poor shooter
-Non-shooter
I'd put Enaruna in the poor shooter bucket. I wouldn't quite call him a non-shooter. Non-shooter would be like literally never takes any 3's..and/or the 3 FG% is like 20% or less. Enaruna does take 3's though..His 1st 2 yrs of college he was over 5 3PA/100 possessions and this past season he was over 4 3PA/100 possessions which are decent numbers - that is decent volume. It's not high volume, but it's also not low volume. It's decent volume. And 32% from 3 this season is not terrible for a college kid, especially one who is 6'8", 7'2" wingspan and played PF/C in college. Over the past couple of yrs, the average 3 FG% of guys eligible for the draft is actually just 31%, so 32% isn't terrible. Especially on decent volume..the FT% isn't good but not terrible either. Like, I'm not saying this guy is gonna come into the NBA and be a great shooter. But I wouldn't just call him a non-shooter either. Looking at this video, he has pretty good touch in the mid range, he's showing feathery touch on like tough, turnaround fadeaways.
-22 yrs old now, turns 23 literally the day before the draft. So he's old but he's not *wicked* old. He's around same age as guys like Pritchard and Hauser were when they were drafted. Further along in his development so won't need tons of development or hand holding when he gets to the league.
I knew basically nothing about this guy an hour ago, but I'm not kind of intrigued, not gonna lie haha.
Oh and he had a usage % of 28.5 this season. Ya'll know I like guys with higher usage
NuckyPowell wrote:I would not be disappointed if we came away with Jalen Bridges out of this draft.
playa-hater wrote:NuckyPowell wrote:I would not be disappointed if we came away with Jalen Bridges out of this draft.
So we Can have another J???
playa-hater wrote:V Messi, Flipowski, Edey, D Holmes, Ware are 5 centers who may be first rd picks.. One or more may slide to us at 30. Or maybe we can trade up a bit to get them.. Might be a few others.. I hope brad looks long and hard at that position. Maybe he will like one and thinks would fit well with this team going forward..
.. But there is enough talent there to be worthy.of pick 30 imo.
Parliament10 wrote:playa-hater wrote:V Messi, Flipowski, Edey, D Holmes, Ware are 5 centers who may be first rd picks.. One or more may slide to us at 30. Or maybe we can trade up a bit to get them.. Might be a few others.. I hope brad looks long and hard at that position. Maybe he will like one and thinks would fit well with this team going forward..
.. But there is enough talent there to be worthy.of pick 30 imo.
After the latest Porzingis Injury, I think that Celtics may want to consider moving up?
Hal14 wrote:Parliament10 wrote:playa-hater wrote:V Messi, Flipowski, Edey, D Holmes, Ware are 5 centers who may be first rd picks.. One or more may slide to us at 30. Or maybe we can trade up a bit to get them.. Might be a few others.. I hope brad looks long and hard at that position. Maybe he will like one and thinks would fit well with this team going forward..
.. But there is enough talent there to be worthy.of pick 30 imo.
After the latest Porzingis Injury, I think that Celtics may want to consider moving up?
Eh. We had the most injury prone center in the league before (Time Lord) who was injury prone for his entire career in Boston, yet Brad still chose to trade out of the 1st round in each of the 3 drafts since he moved into the front office.
Yes, Al is older now than he was before. But Al is still playing at a high level..plus we have 3 other capable backup bigs (Tillman, Kornet, Queta).
With KP's continued injury struggles, I think Brad is now more likely to make a move for a big this summer..if he does though, I think he'll try to add a big who's proven at the NBA level (via trade or free agency) and more likely to contribute for a contender than a kid in the draft.
I think Brad might look at a big (either with a draft pick this year or an UDFA) but I doubt he trades up..that is simply the opposite of the strategy he has used since taking the job 3 yrs ago..and I'd say his roster-building strategy over the past 3 yrs has been nearly perfect.
djFan71 wrote:Hal14 wrote:Parliament10 wrote:After the latest Porzingis Injury, I think that Celtics may want to consider moving up?
Eh. We had the most injury prone center in the league before (Time Lord) who was injury prone for his entire career in Boston, yet Brad still chose to trade out of the 1st round in each of the 3 drafts since he moved into the front office.
Yes, Al is older now than he was before. But Al is still playing at a high level..plus we have 3 other capable backup bigs (Tillman, Kornet, Queta).
With KP's continued injury struggles, I think Brad is now more likely to make a move for a big this summer..if he does though, I think he'll try to add a big who's proven at the NBA level (via trade or free agency) and more likely to contribute for a contender than a kid in the draft.
I think Brad might look at a big (either with a draft pick this year or an UDFA) but I doubt he trades up..that is simply the opposite of the strategy he has used since taking the job 3 yrs ago..and I'd say his roster-building strategy over the past 3 yrs has been nearly perfect.
What do you think of Chomche? I would love to roll the dice at 54, but think he's gone. I might not even hate it at 30 even, if we could stash him and not start the clock. Or the infamous trade down with POR and grab all the 2nd rounders, lol.
playa-hater wrote:V Messi, Flipowski, Edey, D Holmes, Ware are 5 centers who may be first rd picks.. One or more may slide to us at 30. Or maybe we can trade up a bit to get them.. Might be a few others.. I hope Brad looks long and hard at that position. Maybe he will like one and thinks they would fit well with this team going forward..
.. But there is enough talent there to be worthy.of pick 30 imo.
Hal14 wrote:Parliament10 wrote:playa-hater wrote:V Messi, Flipowski, Edey, D Holmes, Ware are 5 centers who may be first rd picks.. One or more may slide to us at 30. Or maybe we can trade up a bit to get them.. Might be a few others.. I hope brad looks long and hard at that position. Maybe he will like one and thinks would fit well with this team going forward..
.. But there is enough talent there to be worthy.of pick 30 imo.
After the latest Porzingis Injury, I think that Celtics may want to consider moving up?
Eh. We had the most injury prone center in the league before (Time Lord) who was injury prone for his entire career in Boston, yet Brad still chose to trade out of the 1st round in each of the 3 drafts since he moved into the front office.
Yes, Al is older now than he was before. But Al is still playing at a high level..plus we have 3 other capable backup bigs (Tillman, Kornet, Queta).
With KP's continued injury struggles, I think Brad is now more likely to make a move for a big this summer..if he does though, I think he'll try to add a big who's proven at the NBA level (via trade or free agency) and more likely to contribute for a contender than a kid in the draft.
I think Brad might look at a big (either with a draft pick this year or an UDFA) but I doubt he trades up..that is simply the opposite of the strategy he has used since taking the job 3 yrs ago..and I'd say his roster-building strategy over the past 3 yrs has been nearly perfect.
Kalela wrote:playa-hater wrote:V Messi, Flipowski, Edey, D Holmes, Ware are 5 centers who may be first rd picks.. One or more may slide to us at 30. Or maybe we can trade up a bit to get them.. Might be a few others.. I hope Brad looks long and hard at that position. Maybe he will like one and thinks they would fit well with this team going forward..
.. But there is enough talent there to be worthy.of pick 30 imo.
I hope they draft a center. I like Missi. He already has a Siakam-like spin he uses from time to time. Bona is another player who may work for the Celtics. You don't need to trade up for him as well if we are to believe the mock drafts. He has similar measurements to Adebayo. Ware is a boom/bust type. I would take a chance on his. He has good size and athleticism and he can somewhat shoot threes too.
deal!!