ORL - SAC

[bpcox05]

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ORL Gets: Kevin Huerter & #13
ORL Gives: Jonathan Isaac & #47
Why for ORL? Magic add much needed shooting to help space the floor more. Huerter’s age also allows him to grow with their young core. This also maintains their cap space for the 2024 offseason while at the same time adding a lottery pick to their young core.

PG - Black / Anthony
SG - Suggs/ Huerter
SF - Wagner / Howard / Houston
PF - Banchero / Ingles / Okeke
C - Carter / Wagner
Picks - #13 / #18

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SAC Gets: Jonathan Isaac & #47
SAC Gives: Kevin Huerter & #13
Why for SAC? The Kings lose Huerter but have a few different SGs who can replace Huerter’s production (Ellis & Monk). They do give up a cost controlled lottery pick but do so to get the best fit at PF next to Sabonis in hopes to take the Kings to the next level. They also retain Barnes in case Isaac has some injury issues (allowing them to have Barnes spot start).

PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Ellis / Monk* / Duarte / Jones
SF - Murray / Barnes
PF - Isaac / Lyles / Vezenkov
C - Sabonis
Picks - #45 / #46
* resigned

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[Texas Chuck]

A lotto pick for JI feels like an overpay. Even when "healthy" he hasn't been able to play a lot of minutes and its a real question if he stays healthy.

I do get that you are never getting JI for what his actual value should be because Orlando would rather gamble on a healthy year than swap him for minor value.

But I have this as too much risk for too little reasonably expected return.

[tiderulz]

I cant see Orlando doing this for a bench SG (not that Huerter is bad, but he wont start over Suggs). If they were to move him for anything, it would be for a better PG. Now, possibly they would then look to use #13 on a PG, but they just used #5 on a PG last year, i think they want someone better suited to win now.

[Nyce_1]

Orlando can keep JI and fill the same shooting hole via free agency by signing Monk away from the Kings.

Also, after having 2 rookies that barely got playing time last season, I doubt the team would want to have teo 1st round picks again this summer, with another 2 coming next summer.

[Knightro]

Isaac's value is impossible to peg.

He was on a per minute basis the most impactful defensive player in the entire NBA.

But he also only played 58 games at 16 MPG.

He's very much in the "he means more to us, than we could reasonably get back for him in trade" - at least in my mind.

[Colbinii]

I have Orlando preferring Monk and Isaac themselves to Huerter + 13

[LightTheBeam]

Isaac has long been one of my favorites. Wish the man could stay healthy. He's played about 200 games over 7 years, I just don't see how any team can bank on him. He's heading into the last year of his contract also, so if he manages to stay healthy and you commit a big contract to him you are taking a massive risk. Just really doesn't make sense for Sac.

[bpcox05]

I cant see Orlando doing this for a bench SG (not that Huerter is bad, but he wont start over Suggs). If they were to move him for anything, it would be for a better PG. Now, possibly they would then look to use #13 on a PG, but they just used #5 on a PG last year, i think they want someone better suited to win now.

Orlando can keep JI and fill the same shooting hole via free agency by signing Monk away from the Kings.

Also, after having 2 rookies that barely got playing time last season, I doubt the team would want to have teo 1st round picks again this summer, with another 2 coming next summer.

I have Orlando preferring Monk and Isaac themselves to Huerter + 13

I think the obvious prize is #13 here so if Huerter is going to snag things, I think we can easily get a 3rd team involved here.

[Colbinii]

I cant see Orlando doing this for a bench SG (not that Huerter is bad, but he wont start over Suggs). If they were to move him for anything, it would be for a better PG. Now, possibly they would then look to use #13 on a PG, but they just used #5 on a PG last year, i think they want someone better suited to win now.

Orlando can keep JI and fill the same shooting hole via free agency by signing Monk away from the Kings.

Also, after having 2 rookies that barely got playing time last season, I doubt the team would want to have teo 1st round picks again this summer, with another 2 coming next summer.

I have Orlando preferring Monk and Isaac themselves to Huerter + 13

I think the obvious prize is #13 here so if Huerter is going to snag things, I think we can easily get a 3rd team involved here.

Okay, find a 3rd team--it is harder than you think.

Remember, Orlando could easily sit back, bring back Isaac and offer Monk something like 4/90.

[bpcox05]

I cant see Orlando doing this for a bench SG (not that Huerter is bad, but he wont start over Suggs). If they were to move him for anything, it would be for a better PG. Now, possibly they would then look to use #13 on a PG, but they just used #5 on a PG last year, i think they want someone better suited to win now.

Orlando can keep JI and fill the same shooting hole via free agency by signing Monk away from the Kings.

Also, after having 2 rookies that barely got playing time last season, I doubt the team would want to have teo 1st round picks again this summer, with another 2 coming next summer.

I have Orlando preferring Monk and Isaac themselves to Huerter + 13

I think the obvious prize is #13 here so if Huerter is going to snag things, I think we can easily get a 3rd team involved here.

Okay, find a 3rd team--it is harder than you think.

Remember, Orlando could easily sit back, bring back Isaac and offer Monk something like 4/90.

Are we saying it needs to be for cap space? They can still offer Monk that amount after this trade.

[Residual-Heat]

Id pass on this as well. The Magic already have #18 pick and two lottery picks from last year that need playing time. They don't need more youth. They need players that can help them win as much as they can, and Isaac is a high impact player.

[Colbinii]

I think the obvious prize is #13 here so if Huerter is going to snag things, I think we can easily get a 3rd team involved here.

Okay, find a 3rd team--it is harder than you think.

Remember, Orlando could easily sit back, bring back Isaac and offer Monk something like 4/90.

Are we saying it needs to be for cap space? They can still offer Monk that amount after this trade.

Why would Orlando trade a SF/PF whose value is a modern-day Bill Russell in limited minutes for a 3P Bomber in Huerter only to then sign an offensively-slanted PG/SG in Monk?

Orlando already has a slew of back-court bodies, they need depth in the front-court, which is where Isaac is a great fit.

[Magic_Johnny12]

No need for any more rookies, especially from this draft.

In a vacuum #13 may be more valuable than Isaac with all things considered, but Orlando much rather have Isaac as currently constructed.

Huerter doesn’t add value here. Jett or Caleb could possibly be as productive as Kevin with a similar role/minutes next season.

[orlando_joe]

No need for any more rookies, especially from this draft.

In a vacuum #13 may be more valuable than Isaac with all things considered, but Orlando much rather have Isaac as currently constructed.

Huerter doesn’t add value here. Jett or Caleb could possibly be as productive as Kevin with a similar role/minutes next season.

yea i would argue huerter 2 yrs of 18 mill is neg value to magic

[Skybox]

Maybe in a strong draft, but #13 doesn't do it for ORL...Availability isn't everything if the trade (for Huerter) doesn't move the needle. Isaac could go down in a heap day 1 or he could, just as easily, be DPOY...Huerter doesn't change much - especially for a team that has a ton of cap space to find shooters and more.

Certainly Isaac's injury history makes him a bet for any teams discussing him, but it's still a better bet than this. Perhaps if somebody ORL REALLY liked dropped (Castle?) - they take that swing...but would have to be something special.

On the flip side, Isaac will be expiring and I don't expect him, if healthy, to take a pay cut from his present $17m. In fact, he probably went from "possible forced retirement" to "time for my raise"...ORL has THREE big rookie extensions coming over the next couple of summers and, likely, a big free agent deal (maybe 2) coming in this summer...ORL could consider selling high on an injury risk rather than face getting way over the cap so quickly. I don't expect that but...the second apron stuff is no joke. Also, don't count on Isaac's agent being so grateful to ORL for paying him to rehab, for years, that he wants to take a pay cut out of appreciation...that just doesn't happen.

[Texas Chuck]

Okay, find a 3rd team--it is harder than you think.

Dallas says hi and offers THJ for Huerter. We then already have godaddycurse willing to take THJ for a couple 2nds. Fight over which team gives them. Now Orlando has added to their cap space and still walks away with 13.

Again doesn't solve what I personally think is the bigger issue which is the Kings shouldn't give up 13 for Isaac, but I think washing out Huerter is doable and I'm offering up the little Mavs to help.

[Texas Chuck]

Isaac could go down in a heap day 1 or he could, just as easily, be DPOY...

I would have the probability of the former like 100x the latter. And that's being conservative honestly. The odds of him getting enough minutes to be considered the best defender in the Association next year feels extremely low. Sadly, him being hurt again and unable to play, feels very likely.

[bpcox05]

Okay, find a 3rd team--it is harder than you think.

Remember, Orlando could easily sit back, bring back Isaac and offer Monk something like 4/90.

Are we saying it needs to be for cap space? They can still offer Monk that amount after this trade.

Why would Orlando trade a SF/PF whose value is a modern-day Bill Russell in limited minutes for a 3P Bomber in Huerter only to then sign an offensively-slanted PG/SG in Monk?

Orlando already has a slew of back-court bodies, they need depth in the front-court, which is where Isaac is a great fit.

No I’m asking if ORL would prefer cap space when rerouted to a 3rd team or a better fitting piece at a similar salary?

[Skybox]

Isaac could go down in a heap day 1 or he could, just as easily, be DPOY...

I would have the probability of the former like 100x the latter. And that's being conservative honestly. The odds of him getting enough minutes to be considered the best defender in the Association next year feels extremely low. Sadly, him being hurt again and unable to play, feels very likely.

Ridiculous - then followed by more ridiculous, honestly...odds are there but you're way off. ORL has been EXTREMELY patient through their rebuild with guys like Isaac and Fultz...they have had zero reservations about letting them sit and heal while collecting checks for years. This season, Isaac looked phenomenal and they resisted upping his minutes for short-term gratification (with no real huge upside). Every interview with him reinforced the idea that the medical staff and FO were limiting him and he felt ready for more...it's entirely likely that his minutes will continue to increase methodically and carefully. He'll likely always be an injury risk (or considered to be one) but he didn't have ANY setbacks this year, only missed time for ultra-conservative self-preservation. His defense is off the charts.

You have reason to doubt him...but the hyperbole is silly.

I'd trade him to remove the risk, but not for spare parts

[Texas Chuck]

I see not hyperbole to say he's just as likely to be DPOY as to get hurt again. Hyperbole to say that is actually not very likely.

Okay, just checking in. My apologies. I'll work on sticking to more realistic scenarios in the future.