Hawks shop #1

[tbhawksfan1]

Let's say the Hawks choose to put it on the block. What would your team offer. Anything goes so don't hesitate to include players / other picks

[zimpy27]

Who do we think wants #1?

Surely just other tanking teams? Any teams looking to throw it in for #1?

[OxAndFox]

Think you could draw interest from a team that either hasn't quite decided to rebuild, or sees the opportunity.
Outside of the obvious trade up teams.

Brooklyn - Mikal Bridges for #1/Bufkin/Griffin/Gueye (could they open up enough for 2 max FAs to join the young core)? Atlanta gets a great compliment to their roster.
Memphis - Bane for #1/Capela - Trae and Bane at the guard spots is lethal.
Sacramento - Sabonis for #1/Capela - Could Trae and Sabonis co exist with playmaking?
Utah - Lauri/Kessler for #1/Okongwu
Miami - Bam for #1/Capela (then Jimmy to Houston for #3/Jabari/Salary) Future core of Topic/JJJ/Sarr/Jabari and whoever falls to them @ 15.

[jayjaysee]

I was first thinking Portland. Yea, it’s quarters but they have some players Atlanta should want and two lottery picks. Feels like there is a deal there if Atlanta doesn’t love Sarr/Zacc.

[Whole Truth]

Why do I feel like you are toying with me OP

NO's have a gaping hole at C after letting Jonas walk. They let him walk because they only have the MLE with extensions a foot. Leaving trade the most viable avenue short of shedding salary.

NO's have opted to build around Zion but he's not a typical build. His offensive game is efficient but predictable where it affects his teammates as much or more. His defense is on/off depending on shape, fatigue & motivation. NO's can't afford a team of one way options. So in choosing to move on from BI to build around Zion in fit, it's a shaky foundation with upside as he's a candidate every year to not play a full season as history says is almost a certainty.

Sarr's camp wants him starting & NO's have no viable starter. I believe his defense will translate from day 1 where he's a 7' switch defender where Green wants to switch defend, not in drop coverage, big reason Jonas efficiency & rebounding was let go. Though his offense is potential based, his 3pt shooting indicators show he could be the spacing opting needed in time.

Zion is still only 24. Murphy 24, Hawk 23, Daniels 20 & Sarr 19. Where if trading BI fails & Zion falls to injury, NO's can pivot into development & a quick rebuild with 2 potential lotto picks owned in the 25 draft.

Basically opting to build around an unstable foundation has it's risk so I'm valuing trading BI's proven value for Sarr's fit, potential & control. Figured in a weaker draft than normal a lotto team that wants to make some noise that's not enamored with more potential would value BI's proven value. What or any additional value negotiated to meet demands.

[bkohler]

Think you could draw interest from a team that either hasn't quite decided to rebuild, or sees the opportunity.
Outside of the obvious trade up teams.

Brooklyn - Mikal Bridges for #1/Bufkin/Griffin/Gueye (could they open up enough for 2 max FAs to join the young core)? Atlanta gets a great compliment to their roster.
Memphis - Bane for #1/Capela - Trae and Bane at the guard spots is lethal.
Sacramento - Sabonis for #1/Capela - Could Trae and Sabonis co exist with playmaking?
Utah - Lauri/Kessler for #1/Okongwu
Miami - Bam for #1/Capela (then Jimmy to Houston for #3/Jabari/Salary) Future core of Topic/JJJ/Sarr/Jabari and whoever falls to them @ 15.

I might be in the minority but I wouldn’t do any of those deals if I were those teams. I just don’t value the #1 in this draft anywhere near that valuable.

[wemby]

Before it's suggested, I'd say I'd hate for the Spurs to trade either 4+8 or all of the Hawks picks back for the 1st pick.

[Whole Truth]

All of Houston, Spurs & Detroit have been linked to Clingan at 3/4/5 respectively. None need a starting C so with Givony's news that Atlanta/Quinn like Clingan & are exploring trade down options, these 3 picks/teams could potentially trade up.

Not sure who Houston would trade up for with Sengun & Smith
Spurs seem to not want Sarr but Risarcher, neither prospect will fall past 2
Detroit, I could see them wanting to move on from Duren & or make a play for a proven talent.

All 3 are potential trade in targets

Houston has big interest in Bridges if they like someone in this draft
Spurs have interest in Garland & want to come out this draft with 2 starters
Detroit I've seen posts suggesting they tanking so IDK. They might just want to upgrade Duren.

[Whole Truth]

Assuming Mitchell resigns & Garland/Klutch want out -

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, FRP/Hawks 25 rights) for (Garland, NO's 25)

Hawks trade - (#1) for (#4 Clingan, Spurs/Hawks FRP, NOs/Bucks FRP 27)

NO's trade - (BI, #21, NO's/Lakers 25, NO's/Bucks 27) for (Keldon, Collins, #1)


In trading down for Clingan, Hawks get their draft rights back in 25 to control their direction with Young, with NO's giving Spurs a equally projected lotto pick in 25 with luck protection to compensate, in the Lakers pick. NO's also give the Bucks 27 pick with luck protection, so Hawks get back a pick, all the years they traded away for Murray, outside the 26 swap.

[donato]

Ingram and 4 first rounders sounds a bit rich to me.

[YayBasketball]

Assuming Mitchell resigns & Garland/Klutch want out -

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, FRP/Hawks 25 rights) for (Garland, NO's 25)

Hawks trade - (#1) for (#4 Clingan, Spurs/Hawks FRP, NOs/Bucks FRP 27)

NO's trade - (BI, #21, NO's/Lakers 25, NO's/Bucks 27) for (Keldon, Collins, #1)


In trading down for Clingan, Hawks get their draft rights back in 25 to control their direction with Young, with NO's giving Spurs a equally projected lotto pick in 25 with luck protection to compensate, in the Lakers pick. NO's also give the Bucks 27 pick with luck protection, so Hawks get back a pick, all the years they traded away for Murray, outside the 26 swap.

I like your big picture thinking, and yea Sarr would be a cool, fun fit for a rebuild path for the Pels. A few observations--

1) I think Clingan could be gone in the top 3, foiling the Hawks' plans to get him in trade down.

2) While it's fun to imagine go young/potential rebuild scenarios, I think it's important to remember the current decision maker David Griffin has never made rebuild style moves, instead making playoff contending style trades. And I doubt he changes that pattern now. I highly doubt he would attach multiple future 1sts to Ingram, who he values highly, for the chance to draft a 19 year old.

3. I do think Z. Collins is a nice fit on the Pels, in the same mold of the WCJ and Stewart stopgap all-around OK, semi-stretch 5. (Would like to send out CJ with one of those C's coming back). I don't think Keldon would be a good fit at all, though with Herb, Trey, Dyson, Hawkins as wings in the fold. Keldon not a great spacer, and would he block the minutes and development of Dyson and Hawkins?

[jayjaysee]

something ugly like..

1st, expirings to Portland
7th and Murray to Houston
Grant, 3rd, 14th, 2027 Houston first to Atlanta

Portland gets Sarr and cap relief.
Houston gets a long term answer at guard and only moves back four spots. Say a Holland or Castle?
Atlanta drafts Reed or Clingan, gets another lottery pick, and a future pick while Grant can start with Jalen/Trae through the pick debt years.

Don’t know about that really.

[Skybox]

#1 is a much more exciting "concept" than any of the actual players in this draft, imo.

[Chinook]

Assuming Mitchell resigns & Garland/Klutch want out -

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, FRP/Hawks 25 rights) for (Garland, NO's 25)

Hawks trade - (#1) for (#4 Clingan, Spurs/Hawks FRP, NOs/Bucks FRP 27)

NO's trade - (BI, #21, NO's/Lakers 25, NO's/Bucks 27) for (Keldon, Collins, #1)


In trading down for Clingan, Hawks get their draft rights back in 25 to control their direction with Young, with NO's giving Spurs a equally projected lotto pick in 25 with luck protection to compensate, in the Lakers pick. NO's also give the Bucks 27 pick with luck protection, so Hawks get back a pick, all the years they traded away for Murray, outside the 26 swap.

This is a better trade value-wise for the Spurs than the previous attempt, but it's still a dog that's not hunting. I think the Pelicans should focus on getting the first pick using their own assets. Especially if they end up trading McCollum elsewhere, I still like the idea of them bringing in Garland. He fits their timeline and direction. I understand the on-paper appeal of Sarr, but he's not the only means to solve the Pelicans' problem. Especially if you bring in a PnR guard like Garland, having a vertical spacer might be a better fit at the five anyway.

[theBigLip]

Pistons have #5 and a bunch of rookies that need a little more time to develop. Tempting but w this draft, almost any could be drafted #1 or #5, so I wouldn’t want to pay too much to move up. No reason to give away assets.

Stewart and #5 for Hunter and #1? There’s some cap relief in there for Atlanta and they still get a good pick.

[Skybox]

Assuming Mitchell resigns & Garland/Klutch want out -

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, FRP/Hawks 25 rights) for (Garland, NO's 25)

Hawks trade - (#1) for (#4 Clingan, Spurs/Hawks FRP, NOs/Bucks FRP 27)

NO's trade - (BI, #21, NO's/Lakers 25, NO's/Bucks 27) for (Keldon, Collins, #1)


In trading down for Clingan, Hawks get their draft rights back in 25 to control their direction with Young, with NO's giving Spurs a equally projected lotto pick in 25 with luck protection to compensate, in the Lakers pick. NO's also give the Bucks 27 pick with luck protection, so Hawks get back a pick, all the years they traded away for Murray, outside the 26 swap.

This is a better trade value-wise for the Spurs than the previous attempt, but it's still a dog that's not hunting. I think the Pelicans should focus on getting the first pick using their own assets. Especially if they end up trading McCollum elsewhere, I still like the idea of them bringing in Garland. He fits their timeline and direction. I understand the on-paper appeal of Sarr, but he's not the only means to solve the Pelicans' problem. Especially if you bring in a PnR guard like Garland, having a vertical spacer might be a better fit at the five anyway.

Missi at a much later pick might do the job for NOLA and cost a whole lot less...probably greater bust potential, but maybe a better move than any kind of big offering for Sarr, imo.

Would SAC at #13 or PHI at #16 give up their pick and a LOT more for Ingram?

[K_chile22]

Noise (which yes I know, could just be noise but if we give it some credence) they're big on Clingan and looking at trade down options.

I don't think it's worthwhile but rockets fans talking about moving up for sarr so here's my shot at it

Landale, 3, 2025 top 10 protected first (10-8-4-unp declining protections) to ATL

Capela, 1 to Houston


With Tate to third team for a guy that fits in Houston's TPE like Troy Brown or Seth Curry to make money work


ATL saves $16.2M and creates a TPE for all of Capela's salary by taking Landale into Collins TPE, moves down for a guy they really like and get a future pick

Houston goes ceiling play

[Godaddycurse]

Noise (which yes I know, could just be noise but if we give it some credence) they're big on Clingan and looking at trade down options.

I don't think it's worthwhile but rockets fans talking about moving up for sarr so here's my shot at it

Landale, 3, 2025 top 10 protected first (10-8-4-unp declining protections) to ATL

Capela, 1 to Houston


With Tate to third team for a guy that fits in Houston's TPE like Troy Brown or Seth Curry to make money work


ATL saves $14.2M and creates a TPE for all of Capela's salary by taking Landale into Collins TPE, moves down for a guy they really like and get a future pick

Houston goes ceiling play

how can you have that kind of protection if you owe 2026 1st to OKC?

[drosestruts]

Scottie Barnes for 2024 #1 and the 2025 Sacramento 1st round pick

Enough or would Atlanta need to include an additional future 1st?

[K_chile22]

Noise (which yes I know, could just be noise but if we give it some credence) they're big on Clingan and looking at trade down options.

I don't think it's worthwhile but rockets fans talking about moving up for sarr so here's my shot at it

Landale, 3, 2025 top 10 protected first (10-8-4-unp declining protections) to ATL

Capela, 1 to Houston


With Tate to third team for a guy that fits in Houston's TPE like Troy Brown or Seth Curry to make money work


ATL saves $14.2M and creates a TPE for all of Capela's salary by taking Landale into Collins TPE, moves down for a guy they really like and get a future pick

Houston goes ceiling play

how can you have that kind of protection if you owe 2026 1st to OKC?

It would be Brooklyns pick

EDIT for clarity
2025 best of BKN OR (Houston if top 10 or later than LAC, if not worst of HOU and OKC) top 10 protected
2026 BKN pick top 8 protected
2027 best of BKN and Hou top 4 protected
2028 Hou unp