Caitlin Clark left off USA Roster

[cdubbz]

Okay, say Clark "makes" the team (definitely not earned it, gifted a spot of course). She rides the bench because she's the worst player on the roster. How do you think all of her cult followers are going to act? The racism, anger, jealousy and ugliness are going to be dumped all over the black players who are playing that none of these people know. You really think her riding the pine and having the camera pan over to her 300 times per game is "good for the game"? It's a lose lose situation. Clark will get her time, it's better this way. They're trying to win gold, not bring in even more casual eyeballs that really don't bring anything positive to the table.

There really is no reasoning with CC fanboys. It's just classic cult behavior. Can't tell them nothing, ever. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

JustBuzzin really did say it best. All of these new eyeballs don't even know who A'Ja Wilson is. It's not helping the game as a whole. It's helping Caitlin Clark and the Fever.

The WNBA players started to recieve charter flights this season (definitely not earned, gifted via Caitlin Clark).

If women who were in charge truly wanted to GROW THE WOMENS game - they would embrace Clark on Team USA. They would embrace the viewership she brings. They would embrace showcasing her in the Olympics in hopes to bring more fans to the failing league. They would also PLAY Caitlin Clark on Team USA and not keep her on the bench.

What does it tell you if most NBA fans don't know who A'Ja Wilson is? She is supposedly the GOAT. Her skillset is unmatched in the WNBA and she is probably going to grab another MVP. How were the WNBA viewership last season? Did she grow the game? No she did not.

If women were supporting their own sport they would have embraced Caitlin Clark. They players can opt out of the current CBA and renegotiate this off season...what leverage do they have? Caitlin Clark brought the fans but they were excluding her.

There really is no reasoning with WNBA fanboys. It's just classic cult behavior. Can't tell them nothing. Keep drinking the Kool-aid. The WNBA will be broke until they realize they need to ride the wave of popular players.

I agree with everything except giving out PT. That's a line that can't be crossed imo. Having her on the team is one thing Nah but you have to earn minutes no matter who you are. She can't become great unless she scraps like everyone else to play.

It's just like people whining about the physical play. If she can't handle it she will never be great.

That's fair. But it's the Olympic team - Team USA kills every opponent. there is no reason to bench Clark. Sure she should 'earn' playing time, but if the squad constantly blows teams out then she should get PT.

The cash cow having to 'earn' minutes for womens hoops which is starving for attention is what is driving most people crazy. She is literally helping the league that's in need of someone like her, but the league is saying 'nah, you need to earn your stripes!'.

[madskillz8]

There are people bitching in this thread over the last 24 hours that couldn't be bothered to even watch last night's game between the Fever and Sun. They don't even care about Caitlin, they just want to use her as a prop for their racism.

These dudes are very transparent.

Hey MrDollarBills, I am an outsider. Not a side of your race and gender wars. I am leftist too, but it seems like we have a very different definitions. Reading your posts and reactions, I think you are extremely conservative, and you are bringing Clark's race into argument way too often. In any part of the world, other than US, you will be labeled at the right end of the spectrum and not even close to center... Middle class is getting poorer, rich getting richer, but who cares - let's fight for our pronouns. IMHO, identity politics is antidote of the original leftist ideas based on class politics, and dividing the oppressed classes of the society even further. But it is not really surprising to see such a manufactured left ideology in the US after their war against leftist ideas for decades. Whatever.

I am repeating. Clark is the most fun to watch women's basketball player, I've ever watched. Skin color has nothing to do with that. You are very sure I am racist. But believe me, not everything is about race. I am actually thinking the opposite, I have seen multiple racist sentences towards her for being white. It is weird and sad at the same time, hating on Clark just because of her skin color. I am a fan of NBA, my favorite players were Bobby Jackson and Chris Webber. I swear I never, not even once, thought about their skin color. Not even once. Because, why should I? You are the ones who constantly think about people's skin color. And you are also the one accusing people for being racist. It is almost like you are saying you're left leaning but acting extremely conservative in accepting new audiences to WNBA.

I'll be honest. I don't like watching women's basketball. For me, it is not fun to watch and it has nothing to do with misogyny. I think the same about men's volleyball. Unwatchable because it is impossible to receive any above average spike, thus there are no rallies at all. Women's volleyball on the other hand, it is always fun to watch unless there is big talent gap between teams. Does that make me a men-hater? I don't think so...

Why I don't like watching women's basketball? Just because I am a racist, misogynist, mediocre man, and incel chud (labels I got in this thread)? No, I think they are not good enough to produce a very high level basketball. Possibly because of the size of the talent pool: if there are 1,000 girls playing basketball, you will get worse professional players, compared to a case in which 10,000 girls playing basketball - as a result of increased competition. Isn't it very natural? Do you really think Chinese people are 1000x more skilled than US people in table tennis? Do you really think Americans are 1000x more skilled than Germans in hitting balls with a bat? It applies to women's basketball. Increase the talent pool, you will eventually have better player. Hopefully, Clark's popularity will make hundred thousands of young girls to start playing basketball, regardless of their skin color and sexual preferences. Who cares about that? At least not me...

Just one example of why I don't think women's basketball is not really fun to watch. In this thread, old WNBA fans (i.e., CC haters) mentioned A'ja Wilson maybe 50 times, and told us we should watch her before CC. Of course, I did. I love basketball. That's sole reason I watched Caitlin Clark in the first place. Not her skin color. Ok, I went on youtube and clicked the first video which tells she just posted record breaking 35 points -10 rebs - 5 asists. And now look at the very first possession of this "highlight" video of a player who recommended like 50 times, and mentioned with Lebron James and Larry Bird of women's basketball.

Spoiler:

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I am not cherry picking - this is literally the first video's first seconds. And she's the best women's basketball player in the world. That's what I am saying... Well, of course I watched the whole video and I really like her fundamentals. Reminded me Duncan with her size and textbook moves. I like the way she played. But nobody started to watch NBA for Duncan, who was the best player in the NBA during his peak IMO. I am pretty sure there were more Jason Williams fans than Tim Duncan fans. But also nobody accused or told Jason Williams fans to watch Duncan because he is better. I mean, who the hell are you to tell anybody what to watch? Am I wrong? And I don't remember people accusing Jason Williams fans being racist because they were supporting a white player or accusing NBA TV to promote Jason Williams with a racial motive - at that time they were showing his highlights a lot. At least on international broadcasts.

And second example. Again not cherry picking. I think you shared that video to tell the world how a black women is eating Clark's lunch. Now look at that:

Spoiler:

The player you said dominated CC hard is dribbling ball on a fastbreak without any pressure and somehow makes a carry violation by bouncing the ball as high as her head. Weird to see, especially just after the best basketball player in the world missing an wide open layup in the very first possession of the game and barely making the empty tip in. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe I am extremely unlucky today to see worst two possessions that might happen in 10,000 possessions. But it is in line with my previous experience of watching women's basketball with frequent missed layups and airballs.

Again, I hope Clark's hype can be effectively utilized to increase the talent pool, so after a decade or so we could likely see a more talented group that would make the product more fun to watch.

[BigGargamel]

I am not a Caitlin Clark hater. I am a hater of what her extreme, borderline scary popularity has caused. Read any Facebook or Twitter comment section to see what all of these "new, great" WNBA fans that the Clark hype has brought in and what they have to say about Angel Reese for example. You really want that scum of the earth white-bred trash to be the face your league fanbase?

The whole "growing the league" thing is complete hogwash. It's lines that you all have been fed and you believe it. This short term gain will not be sustainable. It's not helping the other players and teams all that much. Yeah, they get a few more fans, but those fans don't care about any of the other 200 players in the league. They aren't all of a sudden coming in to watch anyone other than the golden child. There's going to be a tipping point eventually. It's not sustainable, like when the LeBron hype took over the sports world 20 years ago. The NBA was strong enough to support that. The WNBA and it's new suddenly extremely hateful and racist fanbase is not.

But hey...charter flights.

This is not on Caitlin Clark herself. She's going to be one of the best WNBA players one day, but everything that has been manufactured by ESPN and whatnot is pretty dangerous. It doesn't need to be a freaking national story that she doesn't make the Olympic team as a rookie.

Letting her popularity, game and presence grow naturally would have been a lot better for everyone involved. Instead it's taken on a life of its own and it's a monster that is too big to be slain.

Edit: I am not calling one person in this thread or this forum racist. I'm not that kind of person. I don't know any of you all and wouldn't throw around serious accusations like that. But..the general social media public. Her hype is absolutely race initiated. The things her fans say about Brittney Griner, Angel Reese and others...I would never repeat to my worst enemy. People are vile.

[madskillz8]

:lol: I am not a Caitlin Clark hater. I am a hater of what her extreme, borderline scary popularity has caused. Read any Facebook or Twitter comment section to see what all of these "new, great" WNBA fans that the Clark hype has brought in and what they have to say about Angel Reese for example.

Fair enough, and I totally understand that. I've been on your position at different occasions. (I also wasn't referring you when I mentioned the racist remarks in this thread)

But I think it is always better to not read Facebook or Twitter comments sections. The best part of social media is it is giving people a chance to voice their opinions. The worst part? It is giving people a chance to voice their opinions. It seems like majority of people's opinions are trash - uninformed and extremely irrational, and they are parroting what the mainstream outlets they follow say.

Yeah, they get a few more fans, but those fans don't care about any of the other 200 players in the league.

Go to the GB which is full of basketball fans and ask them how they started watching NBA. You'll hear about Jordan, Iverson, Kobe, before anything else. People will come because of Clark but will stay and start supporting their local teams, as long as the product is good. And check the tweet on the big jump in attendance and viewership of WNBA this year. This is not just about Fever games, but all games. How can one see these numbers and claim it does not help any other players? That's almost impossible not to see what she's bringing with her hype. NBA is NBA today, because like it or not it's capitalizing every opportunity, from Yao Ming to Zion to Wemby to expand the audience. Do you remember how many NOP games scheduled in national tv games, in his rookie season? Did you hear negative comments like "Zion's hype is a disrespect to say Embiid", or any anger towards Zion or Wemby from fellow NBA players?

[MrDollarBills]

It's crazy how opinionated and passionate you guys are about this topic when you don't even watch her play. Or the WNBA for that matter utterly hilarious how transparent you all are. You do not give a f*ck about her or the league. Just stop already.

It's almost as if...as if...it's not about CC playing hoops at all. Or "growing the game", because clearly none of that means much if the same loud and wrong people crying about her not being gifted an Olympic roster spot DON'T EVEN WATCH HER PLAY.

Stop pretending like this is some travesty.

Stop pretending like you care about women's hoops.

Stop pretending like you care about Caitlin Clark.

You don't. She's just a prop for your agenda, either it be culture war politics BS or otherwise. Whatever your intent is, it is a load of garbage and it's painfully obvious.

[MrDollarBills]

I'll be honest. I don't like watching women's basketball.

Yeah we know chief

Crazy how you feel so strongly about this and you don't even like watching women play. Interesting.

Anyone else wanna tell on themselves or can we close this garbage ass thread already? Because the intent has now been made clear.

[MrDollarBills]

The WNBA players started to recieve charter flights this season (definitely not earned, gifted via Caitlin Clark).

If women who were in charge truly wanted to GROW THE WOMENS game - they would embrace Clark on Team USA. They would embrace the viewership she brings. They would embrace showcasing her in the Olympics in hopes to bring more fans to the failing league. They would also PLAY Caitlin Clark on Team USA and not keep her on the bench.

What does it tell you if most NBA fans don't know who A'Ja Wilson is? She is supposedly the GOAT. Her skillset is unmatched in the WNBA and she is probably going to grab another MVP. How were the WNBA viewership last season? Did she grow the game? No she did not.

If women were supporting their own sport they would have embraced Caitlin Clark. They players can opt out of the current CBA and renegotiate this off season...what leverage do they have? Caitlin Clark brought the fans but they were excluding her.

There really is no reasoning with WNBA fanboys. It's just classic cult behavior. Can't tell them nothing. Keep drinking the Kool-aid. The WNBA will be broke until they realize they need to ride the wave of popular players.

I agree with everything except giving out PT. That's a line that can't be crossed imo. Having her on the team is one thing Nah but you have to earn minutes no matter who you are. She can't become great unless she scraps like everyone else to play.

It's just like people whining about the physical play. If she can't handle it she will never be great.

That's fair. But it's the Olympic team - Team USA kills every opponent. there is no reason to bench Clark. Sure she should 'earn' playing time, but if the squad constantly blows teams out then she should get PT.

The cash cow having to 'earn' minutes for womens hoops which is starving for attention is what is driving most people crazy. She is literally helping the league that's in need of someone like her, but the league is saying 'nah, you need to earn your stripes!'.

The league and Team USA Basketball are two separate, independent organizations. The W has nothing to do with this.

But you knew that, right?

Right????

[MrDollarBills]

Watch on YouTube

Here is a video of all 12 players being told that their hard work paid off, and that they made the Olympic team. Having the honor of representing our country. Kelsey Plum cried when she received her jersey. To the folks that don't watch these women play, it's not about you. Or Caitlin Clark.

They earned this by their participation and efforts as apart of the Team USA program. And we have people who want to kick one of these 12 women aside to feed their fake outrage boners. No sir.

You weren't gonna watch anyway, so nothing will be missed. The fans who enjoy watching women play basketball at a high level will be there regardless to support them.

Stay mad fellas.

[madskillz8]

I'll be honest. I don't like watching women's basketball.

Yeah we know chief

Crazy how you feel so strongly about this and you don't even like watching women play. Interesting.

Anyone else wanna tell on themselves or can we close this garbage ass thread already? Because the intent has now been made clear.

But they told me this is a discussion board. Maybe they were wrong.

You are trying too hard to ignore my main argument: it is a missed opportunity to make the game grow and increase the talent pool. That's all. I don't need to have an agenda to defend this argument especially against a poster who is insistently bringing her skin color into a discussion and accusing people with racism at the same time.

But I am sorry. Next time, I'll grant your permission to discuss the hottest basketball topics.

BTW I was pretty sure you were going to ignore my one page explanations and cherry pick one sentence for personal attack. And now you are backseat moderating by asking to close the thread, since you are having hard time to provide actual answers, again throwing racism accusations. Thanks for proving me right.

And I am kindly asking you to stop calling me and other posters racist every time you start failing to reply them with counter arguments. It is not cool in real life, not cool in a message board. You can do better than that.

[KembaWalker]

Watch on YouTube

Here is a video of all 12 players being told that their hard work paid off, and that they made the Olympic team. Having the honor of representing our country. Kelsey Plum cried when she received her jersey. To the folks that don't watch these women play, it's not about you. Or Caitlin Clark.

They earned this by their participation and efforts as apart of the Team USA program. And we have people who want to kick one of these 12 women aside to feed their fake outrage boners. No sir.

You weren't gonna watch anyway, so nothing will be missed. The fans who enjoy watching women play basketball at a high level will be there regardless to support them.

Stay mad fellas.

I think the point is totally missing you. Nobody is mad, but you. Not watching the WNBA is the default, they’re the ones that need the eyes. We’re just laughing at their continued ineptness. But like I said, when you’re dealing with chronically stupid organizations you shouldn’t expect anything else. In a way, the ineptness becomes it’s own entertainment and you’re seeing that here

[sikma42]

Watch on YouTube

Here is a video of all 12 players being told that their hard work paid off, and that they made the Olympic team. Having the honor of representing our country. Kelsey Plum cried when she received her jersey. To the folks that don't watch these women play, it's not about you. Or Caitlin Clark.

They earned this by their participation and efforts as apart of the Team USA program. And we have people who want to kick one of these 12 women aside to feed their fake outrage boners. No sir.

You weren't gonna watch anyway, so nothing will be missed. The fans who enjoy watching women play basketball at a high level will be there regardless to support them.

Stay mad fellas.

I think the point is totally missing you. Nobody is mad, but you. Not watching the WNBA is the default, they’re the ones that need the eyes. We’re just laughing at their continued ineptness. But like I said, when you’re dealing with chronically stupid organizations you shouldn’t expect anything else. In a way, the ineptness becomes it’s own entertainment and you’re seeing that here

So you think the WNBA didn’t select CC for the Olympic team?


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[Wingy]

I think the point is totally missing you. Nobody is mad, but you. Not watching the WNBA is the default, they’re the ones that need the eyes. We’re just laughing at their continued ineptness. But like I said, when you’re dealing with chronically stupid organizations you shouldn’t expect anything else. In a way, the ineptness becomes it’s own entertainment and you’re seeing that here

Like anyone and anything, you’re entitled to your take.

Yet if it’s worth so little, and not watching is the default, then why spend so much energy reiterating and repeating again and again and again?

[KembaWalker]

I think the point is totally missing you. Nobody is mad, but you. Not watching the WNBA is the default, they’re the ones that need the eyes. We’re just laughing at their continued ineptness. But like I said, when you’re dealing with chronically stupid organizations you shouldn’t expect anything else. In a way, the ineptness becomes it’s own entertainment and you’re seeing that here

Like anyone and anything, you’re entitled to your take.

Yet if it’s worth so little, and not watching is the default, then why spend so much energy reiterating and repeating again and again and again?

I wasn’t aware that posting on a discussion forum was a significant source of energy expenditure for some of you guys. Maybe you should get some cardio in. Instead you’re burning your precious energy trying to derail by attacking me personally. Be better

[MrDollarBills]

Watch on YouTube

Here is a video of all 12 players being told that their hard work paid off, and that they made the Olympic team. Having the honor of representing our country. Kelsey Plum cried when she received her jersey. To the folks that don't watch these women play, it's not about you. Or Caitlin Clark.

They earned this by their participation and efforts as apart of the Team USA program. And we have people who want to kick one of these 12 women aside to feed their fake outrage boners. No sir.

You weren't gonna watch anyway, so nothing will be missed. The fans who enjoy watching women play basketball at a high level will be there regardless to support them.

Stay mad fellas.

I think the point is totally missing you. Nobody is mad, but you. Not watching the WNBA is the default, they’re the ones that need the eyes. We’re just laughing at their continued ineptness. But like I said, when you’re dealing with chronically stupid organizations you shouldn’t expect anything else. In a way, the ineptness becomes it’s own entertainment and you’re seeing that here

So you think the WNBA didn’t select CC for the Olympic team?


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Too funny.

Dudes don't watch games, don't know that the WNBA has nothing to do with Team USA Basketball...but sure. Tell us why your opinions matter guys

[MrDollarBills]

I'll be honest. I don't like watching women's basketball.

Yeah we know chief

Crazy how you feel so strongly about this and you don't even like watching women play. Interesting.

Anyone else wanna tell on themselves or can we close this garbage ass thread already? Because the intent has now been made clear.

But they told me this is a discussion board. Maybe they were wrong.

You are trying too hard to ignore my main argument: it is a missed opportunity to make the game grow and increase the talent pool. That's all. I don't need to have an agenda to defend this argument especially against a poster who is insistently bringing her skin color into a discussion and accusing people with racism at the same time.

But I am sorry. Next time, I'll grant your permission to discuss the hottest basketball topics.

BTW I was pretty sure you were going to ignore my one page explanations and cherry pick one sentence for personal attack. And now you are backseat moderating by asking to close the thread, since you are having hard time to provide actual answers, again throwing racism accusations. Thanks for proving me right.

And I am kindly asking you to stop calling me and other posters racist every time you start failing to reply them with counter arguments. It is not cool in real life, not cool in a message board. You can do better than that.

You said you don't watch or like women's basketball. What else is there to discuss with you? Your 'outrage' is hilarious bullsh*t.

[madskillz8]

Yeah we know chief

Crazy how you feel so strongly about this and you don't even like watching women play. Interesting.

Anyone else wanna tell on themselves or can we close this garbage ass thread already? Because the intent has now been made clear.

But they told me this is a discussion board. Maybe they were wrong.

You are trying too hard to ignore my main argument: it is a missed opportunity to make the game grow and increase the talent pool. That's all. I don't need to have an agenda to defend this argument especially against a poster who is insistently bringing her skin color into a discussion and accusing people with racism at the same time.

But I am sorry. Next time, I'll grant your permission to discuss the hottest basketball topics.

BTW I was pretty sure you were going to ignore my one page explanations and cherry pick one sentence for personal attack. And now you are backseat moderating by asking to close the thread, since you are having hard time to provide actual answers, again throwing racism accusations. Thanks for proving me right.

And I am kindly asking you to stop calling me and other posters racist every time you start failing to reply them with counter arguments. It is not cool in real life, not cool in a message board. You can do better than that.

You said you don't watch or like women's basketball. What else is there to discuss with you? Your 'outrage' is hilarious bullsh*t.

I never told I don't watch women's basketball - I actually showed you the WNBA stars that is playing for my favorite team, Galatasaray. You know what the women's basketball is not all about WNBA. But whatever. Good luck with your hate on one young well-spoken and very likeable young lady just because of her skin color, while accusing people you don't know other than they like to watch Clark as racists Pathetic...

[MrDollarBills]

But they told me this is a discussion board. Maybe they were wrong.

You are trying too hard to ignore my main argument: it is a missed opportunity to make the game grow and increase the talent pool. That's all. I don't need to have an agenda to defend this argument especially against a poster who is insistently bringing her skin color into a discussion and accusing people with racism at the same time.

But I am sorry. Next time, I'll grant your permission to discuss the hottest basketball topics.

BTW I was pretty sure you were going to ignore my one page explanations and cherry pick one sentence for personal attack. And now you are backseat moderating by asking to close the thread, since you are having hard time to provide actual answers, again throwing racism accusations. Thanks for proving me right.

And I am kindly asking you to stop calling me and other posters racist every time you start failing to reply them with counter arguments. It is not cool in real life, not cool in a message board. You can do better than that.

You said you don't watch or like women's basketball. What else is there to discuss with you? Your 'outrage' is hilarious bullsh*t.

I never told I don't watch women's basketball - I actually showed you the WNBA stars that is playing for my favorite team, Galatasaray. You know what the women's basketball is not all about WNBA. But whatever. Good luck with your hate on one young well-spoken and very likeable young lady just because of her skin color, while accusing people you don't know other than they like to watch Clark as racists Pathetic...

Dude

I'll be honest. I don't like watching women's basketball.

No one is taking you seriously after this. Just stop

Also, you keep bringing up racism. I love watching CC play (something that you don't do). I don't care that she's white. Her favorite player is a Black woman for ffs. I support her 100%.

What I don't support is culture warrior lames who admittedly DO NOT WATCH women's hoop trying to co opt her unwillingly into their white grievance garbage. You are as transparent as a sheet of glass.

Lol "well spoken young lady". Jesus christ. Dog whistling ass

[DOT]

DT needs to go full John Cena on her

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[madskillz8]

You said you don't watch or like women's basketball. What else is there to discuss with you? Your 'outrage' is hilarious bullsh*t.

I never told I don't watch women's basketball - I actually showed you the WNBA stars that is playing for my favorite team, Galatasaray. You know what the women's basketball is not all about WNBA. But whatever. Good luck with your hate on one young well-spoken and very likeable young lady just because of her skin color, while accusing people you don't know other than they like to watch Clark as racists Pathetic...

Dude

I'll be honest. I don't like watching women's basketball.

No one is taking you seriously after this. Just stop

Also, you keep bringing up racism. I love watching CC play (something that you don't do). I don't care that she's white. Her favorite player is a Black woman for ffs. I support her 100%.

What I don't support is culture warrior lames who admittedly DO NOT WATCH women's hoop trying to co opt her unwillingly into their white grievance garbage. You are as transparent as a sheet of glass.

Lol "well spoken young lady". Jesus christ. Dog whistling ass

Hey, please watch your mouth. That's enough sh*t talk.

Reading comprehension is an important skill for anyone. There is a difference between I don't watch women's basketball and I don't like watching women's basketball at all. If you are a big fan of a club like Galatasaray, you watch their games whether you like the product or not, especially in international completion.

[cdubbz]

The league and Team USA Basketball are two separate, independent organizations. The W has nothing to do with this.

But you knew that, right?

Right????

Yeah of course. They are still part of women's basketball as a whole. They're different organizations yes.

Team USA committee is full of women who are part of the WNBA or NCAA. They're either former WNBA players, former NCAA players, current women's coach in NCAA, WNBA president or GM of some sort. All part of women's basketball.

You would think they would want to increase the popularity of the sport they love. The WNBA isn't going go downhill because of this decision, but what i'm arguing and a lot of other people is that women's hoops is fumbling the bag, they were given a layup and they air balled it.