**NBA Draft Discussion 2024**

[DayofMourning]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nikola-djurisic-i-would-say-im-like-a-less-athletic-taller-anthony-edwards/

[DayofMourning]

https://www.nbamockdraftdatabase.com/mock-drafts/2024/no-ceilings-2024?date=2024-06-07

The spurs adding Risacher and Topic is crazy

The Spurs might just come out of this tank build with a sweet looking roster.

Wemby
Vassell
Risacher
Topic

Then 2025 they have two 1sts. They could land another blue chipper.

Spurs fans have to be excited.

[greg4012]

Two weeks until draft day. This is where I'm currently at in terms of preferred prospects for the Heat's pick at 15:

1. Ron Holland - WING
Upside: Take a shot on superstar potential.
- Ron is the most athletic and explosive wing prospect in this draft class.
- Youth + elite athleticism & measurables + track record of development is a recipe for success.
- He is the most lethal transition player in this draft and probably the highest upside slasher, as well.
- He is already a STOCKS machine and has all the tools to be a great defender.
- Holland showed improvement over the course of the season across the board (handle, decisionmaking, assists, turnovers, shooting).

It is rare that the most athletic 18 year old wing would ever make it to the middle of the 1st round. Unfortunately, I don't expect him to be around.

Downside: Shooting
- He doesn't have a reliable outside shot at this juncture.
- Questions about his decisionmaking as a lead ballhandler
- If he busts, it's either because he has character issues or he never develops an average 3 pt shot and will be relegated to a Derrick Jones Jr type of game (with a much better handle).

Stat Highlight: Ron put up better scoring stats than any 1st round prospect ever has in the G League, while being featured in a primary creator role that he had never operated in before: 19.5 ppg (46% FG) / 6.7 rpg / 2.9 apg (3.2 to) / 2.3 stl / 0.9 blk

Fit: He would slot in to the wing rotation providing a significant boost to the team's athleticism and transition play. He would be on a full developmental track early on working on fundamental team defense, spot up shooting, and serving as a lower usage connective piece. Spacing would be an issue in year 1 with the current Heat personnel. He would be the developmental piece for a post-Jimmy future.


2. Isaiah Collier - PG
Upside: Take a shot on star guard potential.
- Collier is an elite downhill guard with the athleticism and movement skills of a NFL RB. He was able to get in the paint at will and finish in a variety of ways.
- Collier is one of the best advantage creators in this class & one of the best playmakers in this class
- Isaiah Collier and Rob Dillingham are the only 2 freshmen in this draft with a usage rate over 25% and an assist rate over 30%
- Collier will be 19 on draft night and his freshman season usage and production is along the lines of electric prospects like D'Angelo Russell, Dennis Smith Jr, (cautionary tale), Derrick Rose, John Wall, De'Aaron Fox.

Downside: Outside shooting
- 34% 3pt shooting on 3 attempts per game. His FT shooting is not encouraging (67%). Collier did shoot spot-up 3s at a 37% clip showing signs of hope for development on the next level.
- Collier's defense is mostly theoretical at this point. With his lateral mobility and strength, he has the tools to be a good defender. Encouraging steals numbers (1.5 per game; 2.8% STL%)
- Despite being such an explosive slasher, Collier is pretty ground bound and is a below the rim finisher (6 dunks on season)
- Collier experienced turnover issues--3.3 turnovers per game. Cleaned up the issues as the season went on.

Stat Highlight: Collier got to the rim at an elite rate shooting 51% of his FGA at rim and converting 62% FG. Collier was elite at drawing fouls with a 50% Free Throw Rate.

Fit: Miami has been in need of a lead scoring guard who can tilt the defense by getting in the paint and run the offense. Collier answers the call. Early on, I'd expect he would help run the bench unit while on a developmental track (as all 19 year olds should be). Spacing would be a consideration with his lineup counterparts, as his 3 ball needs to develop.


3. Devin Carter - GUARD
Upside: Defensive menace and a connective finisher on offense
- Devin Carter is more than just a good defender, he's a hair on fire impact defender that can play above his size and tilt games with his defense and effort while doing the small things
- Elite rebounder for the guard position
- Best overall athlete among all guards in this draft
- After 2 years as a subpar shooter for a guard, Carter took a huge leap as a volume 3 pt shooter (38% on nearly 7 attempts per game)
- Strong linear slasher with 40% of FGA at rim (converting at 65% clip)

Downside: Less upside at 22 years old; is his shooting real?
- Carter has the game of a SG and the height/weight of a PG. However, his wingspan + athleticism + strength make up for any height limitation
- More of a secondary playmaker and connective piece--will need to do all the extra stuff to warrant big minutes
- Is his shot real? At 22 years old, he only has one plus shooting season from 3. His form is wonky but proves effective

Stat Highlight: Carter averaged a massive 8.8 rebounds per game this past season

Fit: Carter would be a plug and play rotation piece for Miami providing much needed POA defense in the guard rotation. The hope would be that he can develop to be something in the vicinity of Derrick White (high end comp), Alex Caruso, Josh Hart as a secondary guard. The cautionary tale is Davion Mitchell


4. Daron Holmes - FRONTCOURT
Upside: Versatile 2-way big that can play inside and out
- One of the most prolific rim-runners and defenders in college basketball for the past 3 seasons, while expanding his offensive game each season (year 1: rim runner/play finisher; year 2: focal point of offense with an added post game; year 3: adding perimeter game, 3 pt shooting; and playmaking). The rate of progress from season to season is a positive indicator.
- Holmes does all of the things you want/need from a big as he is a shotblocker (averaged 2.1 blocks per game over 3 seasons), rebounder, strong screener, and great roll man.
- Shown signs of a NBA PF skillset with an emerging 3 pt shot (39% on 2.5 3PA per game), switchability on the perimeter, functional handle, and developing playmaking (19% assist rate on the season; 12% turnover rate).
- Multi-faceted game provides potential to fit with a number of different frontcourt partners

Downside: Tweener; what if his shot isn't real?
- Holmes didn't shoot 3s until his Jr season and his 2.5 3PA per game and 71% FT shooting do not provide any certainty that his 3 ball will translate
- Unorthodox athlete with his high waist and questionable frame--can he bump with real centers? Can he defend on the perimeter in a full time role?
- The biggest concern with Holmes is that he's 6'9 with a 7'1 wingspan around 230 pounds and his greatest strengths are playing as a Center. He has shown flashes of PF skillset, but it's questionable if it is enough to bank on and project to the next level.

Stat Highlight: Holmes has been top 7 in dunks in college basketball each of his 3 seasons (71+ each season; with a high of 89). Half of the 15 players that have achieved over 85 dunks in a season (since 2008) are NBA starters. Holmes is the best college 3 pt shooter of that group.

Fit: Holmes would earn clear minutes as the backup Center replicating the sets Bam runs and providing some versatility on defense. Miami would likely prioritize continuing to develop Holmes' 3-pt shooting and perimeter defense, opening up possibilities for Holmes to also play alongside Bam (forming a 3-man frontcourt rotation with Holmes' backing up PF and C). The idea is for Holmes to provide a versatile frontcourt piece to solidify the power rotation and upsize the team without sacrificing spacing and switching concepts. If a team doesn't have a top 5 NBA player, they better have a top tier NBA frontcourt if they want to compete.


Honorable Mention/Next on Deck: Kel'el Ware; Tristan Da Silva; Bub Carrington

[DayofMourning]

Bravo greg. Looking forward to your "next on deck" series.

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Damn Detroit and Charlotte. Is this kid sky rocketing up the boards under everyone's noses? All I can remember from Walter is him missing two huge free throws in the tournament costing Baylor a chance to win. With Detroit and Charlotte both having a need for a true shooting two guard with length maybe he could sneak into the top 10.

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[DayofMourning]

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Id rather have 4 and 8. Unless Risacher is something special.

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Id rather have 4 and 8. Unless Risacher is something special.

Sounds like the Spurs want too go with a veteran at PG and get Risacher with the top pick. Looks like they've been scouting Risacher for a long while now.

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[DayofMourning]

Sounds like the Spurs want too go with a veteran at PG and get Risacher with the top pick. Looks like they've been scouting Risacher for a long while now.

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Or maybe they think Sochan is the answer, lol.

If I were them, Id take who falls to 4 and draft Devin Carter at 8, but I dont have the intel on Risacher either. Hope it works for them. I want a Wemby build to look good.

[DayofMourning]

Would be fun if the Spurs drafted Risacher this year and Traore next year. Go all in on that French flavor.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Sounds like the Spurs want too go with a veteran at PG and get Risacher with the top pick. Looks like they've been scouting Risacher for a long while now.

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Or maybe they think Sochan is the answer, lol.

If I were them, Id take who falls to 4 and draft Devin Carter at 8, but I dont have the intel on Risacher either. Hope it works for them. I want a Wemby build to look good.

I don't think Carter is the pure PG they are looking for too team up with Wemby. I don't think they have much interest in Dillingham either even though he's been pushing himself on the Spurs. They have a ton of money to spend and will probably be looking into the free agent market for a PG. Heard the floor is someone like Tyus Jones and the ceiling Garland if he gets free.

https://athlonsports.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/inside-spurs/news/san-antonio-spurs-free-agency-tyus-jones-rumors-appease-fans

[DayofMourning]

I don't think Carter is the pure PG they are looking for too team up with Wemby. I don't think they have much interest in Dillingham either even though he's been pushing himself on the Spurs. They have a ton of money to spend and will probably be looking into the free agent market for a PG. Heard the floor is someone like Tyus Jones and the ceiling Garland if he gets free.

https://athlonsports.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/inside-spurs/news/san-antonio-spurs-free-agency-tyus-jones-rumors-appease-fans

I Would go BPA for the Spurs. Too early IMO to start looking for specific positions one year into the Wemby build. Guess thats why theyre going Risacher over adding Topic and whomever lasts till 8.

What would it take from them to get Garland? Not a price Id be willing to pay.

[IceColdCubano]

I don't think Carter is the pure PG they are looking for too team up with Wemby. I don't think they have much interest in Dillingham either even though he's been pushing himself on the Spurs. They have a ton of money to spend and will probably be looking into the free agent market for a PG. Heard the floor is someone like Tyus Jones and the ceiling Garland if he gets free.

https://athlonsports.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/inside-spurs/news/san-antonio-spurs-free-agency-tyus-jones-rumors-appease-fans

I Would go BPA for the Spurs. Too early IMO to start looking for specific positions one year into the Wemby build. Guess thats why theyre going Risacher over adding Topic and whomever lasts till 8.

What would it take from them to get Garland? Not a price Id be willing to pay.

Wemby is young enough, that you have a couple years to get the right fits, and not overpay right now. Invest in the draft whos to say you can't find the perfect duo or trio to bring up into a GSW type franchise run or better taking multiple chips in a 10-15 year span.

[DayofMourning]

I don't think Carter is the pure PG they are looking for too team up with Wemby. I don't think they have much interest in Dillingham either even though he's been pushing himself on the Spurs. They have a ton of money to spend and will probably be looking into the free agent market for a PG. Heard the floor is someone like Tyus Jones and the ceiling Garland if he gets free.

https://athlonsports.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/inside-spurs/news/san-antonio-spurs-free-agency-tyus-jones-rumors-appease-fans

I Would go BPA for the Spurs. Too early IMO to start looking for specific positions one year into the Wemby build. Guess thats why theyre going Risacher over adding Topic and whomever lasts till 8.

What would it take from them to get Garland? Not a price Id be willing to pay.

Wemby is young enough, that you have a couple years to get the right fits, and not overpay right now. Invest in the draft whos to say you can't find the perfect duo or trio to bring up into a GSW type franchise run or better taking multiple chips in a 10-15 year span.

I hope the Spurs stay at 4 and 8 and get 2 good pieces. Gives them more chances at netting a solid player.

It takes a bit of luck for things to come together. Having more tickets in a draft like this increases your chances at long term success.

Id be all on the tank brigade this coming season too. Two potential lottery picks AGAIN and a shot at real blue chippers.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Would be fun if the Spurs drafted Risacher this year and Traore next year. Go all in on that French flavor.

That's probably 100% their intended goal lol

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Should we be paying more attention to Tyler Smith who we actually brought in here for a workout? Feel like we haven't talked about him enough and all I see is one of the sweetest shooting lefty strokes from a 6'11 player I haven't seen in a minute. I mean that 3 point shot is silky smooth. Probably one of the truest shooting stretch 4/5's in this draft in terms of pureness on that shot. I understand the Blazers like him a lot and he's had discussions with Scoot from the Ignite connections.

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Should we be paying more attention to Tyler Smith who we actually brought in here for a workout? Feel like we haven't talked about him enough and all I see is one of the sweetest shooting lefty strokes from a 6'11 player I haven't seen in a minute. I mean that 3 point shot is silky smooth. Probably one of the truest shooting stretch 4/5's in this draft in terms of pureness on that shot. I understand the Blazers like him a lot and he's had discussions with Scoot from the Ignite connections.

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If Smith was 6'11 he would be more intriguing but he is smaller than Bam. He needs to prove he can defend the perimeter. I rather have Bobi Klintman

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[DayofMourning]

Should we be paying more attention to Tyler Smith who we actually brought in here for a workout? Feel like we haven't talked about him enough and all I see is one of the sweetest shooting lefty strokes from a 6'11 player I haven't seen in a minute. I mean that 3 point shot is silky smooth. Probably one of the truest shooting stretch 4/5's in this draft in terms of pureness on that shot. I understand the Blazers like him a lot and he's had discussions with Scoot from the Ignite connections.

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Im trying to recall his limitations. Was it his handles? Like zero handles, resulting in either distance shooting or low post options.

I believe in our org to draft the right guy. Whenever theyve tried to finesse the draft ( Precious, Napier) theyve **** up. Whenever they kept it real theyve done well the majority of the time.