Garland for #3, Vleet

[Xman]

With the rumors of CLE now wanting to trade up (seems odd but maybe Mitchell gave a nod and Garland said trade me?). I doubt CLE deals Mitchell/Allen/Mobley so their only trade asset of value is Garland.

HOU gets #20, Garland, filler (LeVert or other - not needed if they do not want Tate).
CLE gets Vleet, Tate, #3
*edited to remove future pick to CLE since comments considered it an over pay*

Houston could forego #20 if that is needed, add 2025 1st (best of HOU/BKN/OKC/LAC depending on year, protected 10/10/6/5/2nds) or even drop protection on BKN pick if there was a bidding war. Could drop the future first going to CLE is people feel that is too much value going the other way.

Not sure who CLE is targeting but getting #3 plus a little for Garland if he is going to ask to be traded might be top value. Vleet is still solid (expensive but team option after the season). Tate would be a good backup providing help where CLE has a hole.

For Houston:
pg - Garland, AmenT
sg - JalenGreen, Whitmore, (LeVert maybe)
sf - DBrooks, Eason
pf - Jabari, JeffGreen
c - Sengun, Adams, Landale
- seems solid depending upon development. Garland would be the clear cut traditional pg. Amen could shift to wing as needed. Would be a playoff team and could figure out who keeps developing.

For CLE:
The big 3 are Mitchell, Allen and Mobley. Vleet would also be key.
Tate, Okoro, and Strus seem like solid role players.
#3 would have to step in as a solid wing. Reed Shephard's shooting would be nice. Buzelis with his defense would be interesting - giving them a sf defensive stud who was 6'10. Other?

[Texas Chuck]

I'm not sold this makes Houston better. FVV is the better player currently. So no real interest in giving up #3 to hope Garland returns to an old form away from Mitchell while having his contract and not great fit with their current roster.

Seems like an amazing result for Cleveland who probably gets a bit better on the court and picks up a great asset to attach to their salary filler to upgrade SF.

[babyjax13]

I like the general idea but I think the 2025 1st needs to be taken out and Cleveland needs to add something of substance. Perhaps this is balanced by sending FVV to a third team and that team sends an asset to Houston (after taking out the future 1st).

[LarsV8]

Yea, this is a massive overpay.

FVV is underrated.

[Hoops23]

Agree, this is over paying for Houston. OP is over valuing Garland.

[esvl]

Would be a smart move for Houston. They got FVV for free, #3 belongs to a *** draft, and to turn it into a young franchise pg? Dream come true to me.

[Xman]

edited - removed the future pick coming from Houston.

I think Garland could be a long term solution whereas Vleet is almost done. His shooting percentages still look good but there were games last year where he looked old. I just feel that he will not be around much after this next year.

[Skybox]

I agree with Chuck that FVV is actually the better 2-way player right now, so #3 is a lot to pile on, based on age (I guess?) and contract length.

I also figure the redundancies between Garland & Mitchell are still there… I don’t really see CLE trading for another smaller, highly compensated PG. perhaps they’d be better off with Thompson, Jalen Green, Whitmore as (questionable) better fits with Mitchell…but why would HOU do that to end up with FVV/Garland?

Doesn’t seem like HOU should be in the Garland discussion…both teams need a top SF. Maybe a 3-way

[Whole Truth]

Logic, the 2 trade chips Cavs have are Allen & Garland.

Allen -

Houston #3 would have zero interest in 2yrs & 20m pay raise of Allen with Sengun & Smith
Spurs #4 same with Wemby & Sochan.

Houston trading #3 for a PG & not SF with their pursued target - (Bridges) lengthy wing
Spurs have no lead guard that can make connecting passes. Garland accelerates Wemby's development & rise into contention at an early stage for a bigger window of contention. The faster your young star makes the PO's the quicker you can build with him at rookie scale & control. Spurs own other teams draft rights, 4 picks in 25 that they can still add adequate young potential on top of the Garland & the 8th pick this year.

[jbk1234]

Hard pass. If people think FVV is better than Garland, they're certainly entitled to their opinion, but he's not, and it's not particularly close in my book. The only possible rationale for a Garland trade is Mitchell is staying and the fact he and Garland are both undersized can be a liability in the playoffs. I don't buy that, but I at least understand it. That doesn't get fixed on Cleveland's end by trading for FVV so there's no point. FVV also isn't a better off ball player than Garland, so that doesn't work either.

[Xman]

Vleet would be a fill in for a year or two for CLE. The #3 pick would be the long term value for CLE.

Seems like there is different valuation on Vleet and Garland. I know from watching Vleet last year that he had good games but he had some bad ones. The rest of the team is athletic and fast - but he is slowing down. Still, a contender could squeeze another year, maybe two out of him. If Houston does not deal him, the odds are his option is not picked up so the Rockets can shop for a free agent in 2025 with cap space (before paying the young guys). CLE would probably pay him and keep him the extra year.

I guess the other part of this is that I see Garland as a good long term starter - where Vleet will be gone.
Plus, #3 does not hold as much value to me this year. Not just the weak draft thing, but the team is loaded with talent that needs minutes. Clingan might be the best option at #3, but why spend that high a pick on a backup center (same if Sarr slides). Is Risacher, Knecht, or Sheppard's defense solid enough to get minutes? Buzelis needs time to develop a shot (and why double the problem we might have with waiting for Amen to develop his shot).

[Chinook]

Van Vleet. His last name just has two words, but it is still one name and shouldn't be broken in half.

[LarsV8]

Cleveland would have to pay the #20 to upgrade to FVV.

All the Houston picks need to come out.

[Colbinii]

I'd rather Houston just draft a PG prospect

[louc1970]

Take the team to a 3-team deal.
Houston trades VanVleet
Houston receives Garland
Younger PG who will flourish again when he controls the offense.

Cleveland trades Garland
Cleveland receives Ingram, #21
Finally getting the SF they need. Strus moves to the 2G. The pick is for the possible walk at the end of the year.

NOP trades Ingram, #21
NOP receives FVV
Pels get a PG

[mcfly1204]

I'll pass for Cleveland. Are FVV and the #3 pick really going to increase Cleveland's chances of contending in the next couple of years?

[toooskies]

This needs another move to be complete for the Cavs. It might look like #3, LeVert, and Niang for Bridges. It might not be #3 but the Nets' future picks moving in that case? It might be Allen and #3 for Murphy and Nance.

But it doesn't make much sense for Houston.

[wemby]

Every time I read SOME Cavs fans valuation on their players, I wonder how come they didn't sweep the Celtics.

[Colbinii]

Every time I read SOME Cavs fans valuation on their players, I wonder how come they didn't sweep the Celtics.

100%

Or how they went to 7 with the Orlando Magic

[mcfly1204]

Every time I read SOME Cavs fans valuation on their players, I wonder how come they didn't sweep the Celtics.

Totally, because production is the sole contributor to value for young players.