Trade Ideas

[JonFromVA]

I've been checking out some of the various trade proposals floating around, and I kind of like one proposed by a Wolves fan that would have Garland getting traded for KAT and Allen for Ingram.

Some questioned whether Garland would be any happier being paired with Edwards than Mitchell, and I have my doubts whether we could afford 4 guys all wanting max money ... but it sure would remake the roster in a much more modern, longer, and offensive oriented manner.

Mobley would need to clean up a whole lot on defense and would likely continue to be forgotten on offense beyond dunk & dives, so, that's another potential problem.

But at least the starting 5 makes sense on paper: Mitchell-Strus-Ingram-Towns-Mobley

Garland and Allen are highly unlikely to get KAT and Ingram without other good players or several 1sts.

Coming back to the Cavs?

The trade proposal wasn't from a Cavs fan, but a TWolves fan that realizes KAT likely needs to go for cap reasons and the fact that some nights at a scant fraction of the cost Naz Reid looks like the superior player.

The Pelicans similarly need to make some money choices and Ingram seems to be odd man out. If another team wants to offer the Pels something better than Jarrett Allen for the rights to over pay Ingram, by all means take it.

[JujitsuFlip]

Lol right?

Idk how anyone is talking themselves into thinking the Cavs with a bunch of one way or no way guys stand a chance against a team flush with unselfish 2 way players.

I think you have to be able to outrebound them as we did in our win against them. I think Mobley has to guard Tatum which you can't do without Allen. I also think Allen is the only one on the team who can set a real screen.

It's hard to outrebound them when they can draw Allen and Mobley out to the perimeter and leave our guards trying to protect the rim as the Celts can literally send any of their 5 guys to attack the rim with a height advantage.

Pretty quickly we're playing a junk defense and crossing our fingers they clank open 3's while trying to bury contested shots on our end of the floor unless we really re-work our lineup.

We either need to match them strength to strength, or we need to scheme something up that they just can't stop and exploit that.

I mean I kind of like how Jason Kidd tossed it out recently that he thought Brown was the C's best player. If Tatum takes the bait, maybe he'll try to do too much and choke away some wins. But that's ultimately a junk tactic.

Exactly where I'm at with it. Nuggets had a similar idea last season, Celtics just do it even better.

The NBA should be pissed at the Spurs, Wizards, and Blazers for gifting the Celtics 3 dudes who compliment the Celtics two massive 2 way wings so well. Just having 5 guys who can shoot and defend and 4 of the 5 handle the ball is a lot to overcome.

[KuruptedCav]

Thoughts on the delta between (Max Strus/Caris LeVert & Georges Nieng) and John Collins;

I know he’s polarizing from last year on whether you’d want him at all, but curious on the value.


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I don't mean to sound harsh, but I can't think of a single good reason for the Cavs to execute that trade. The last thing we need is a really expensive backup big who can't defend. He'd be as unplayable as Niang in the playoffs, only he makes three times as much.

I also don't see him as polarizing. I think there are always rumors involving him because he makes too much for his role and whatever team he's on wants to get off his money.

I’m asking for value delta. I liked the Jazz as facilitator. Not necessarily for him to land here.


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[jbk1234]

Thoughts on the delta between (Max Strus/Caris LeVert & Georges Nieng) and John Collins;

I know he’s polarizing from last year on whether you’d want him at all, but curious on the value.


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I don't mean to sound harsh, but I can't think of a single good reason for the Cavs to execute that trade. The last thing we need is a really expensive backup big who can't defend. He'd be as unplayable as Niang in the playoffs, only he makes three times as much.

I also don't see him as polarizing. I think there are always rumors involving him because he makes too much for his role and whatever team he's on wants to get off his money.

I’m asking for value delta. I liked the Jazz as facilitator. Not necessarily for him to land here.


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I really don't think the Cavs should trade Strus, but that aside, I think the Jazz are unlikely to give much value to swap Niang and LeVert for Collins, and the Cavs would want a first. Ainge isn't easy to deal with.

[JonFromVA]

I think you have to be able to outrebound them as we did in our win against them. I think Mobley has to guard Tatum which you can't do without Allen. I also think Allen is the only one on the team who can set a real screen.

It's hard to outrebound them when they can draw Allen and Mobley out to the perimeter and leave our guards trying to protect the rim as the Celts can literally send any of their 5 guys to attack the rim with a height advantage.

Pretty quickly we're playing a junk defense and crossing our fingers they clank open 3's while trying to bury contested shots on our end of the floor unless we really re-work our lineup.

We either need to match them strength to strength, or we need to scheme something up that they just can't stop and exploit that.

I mean I kind of like how Jason Kidd tossed it out recently that he thought Brown was the C's best player. If Tatum takes the bait, maybe he'll try to do too much and choke away some wins. But that's ultimately a junk tactic.

Exactly where I'm at with it. Nuggets had a similar idea last season, Celtics just do it even better.

The NBA should be pissed at the Spurs, Wizards, and Blazers for gifting the Celtics 3 dudes who compliment the Celtics two massive 2 way wings so well. Just having 5 guys who can shoot and defend and 4 of the 5 handle the ball is a lot to overcome.

Sometimes being in the right place at the right time is what it's all about. Back in the day we would have loved to had beaten the Lakers offer for Pau Gasol, but the Grizzlies were dead set on freeing up cap space, and we didn't have the room or the expiring contracts to match. That's why in the future we went out of the way to have some expiring or non-guaranteed contracts on hand just in case.

We're of course free to blame the Mitchell trade for eliminating our flexibility and JBB for devaluing our players.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-attempting-major-trade-before-nba-draft

Move up in a "weak" draft seems odd. Idk what plus assets they even have to make a move. Maybe Merrill since he can shoot, the new CBA probably stipulates he would have to be guaranteed, right? Maybe CPJ or TJ as young depth PGs? I think the other half of CPJs deal would have to be guaranteed under the current CBA, right?

Other than that, maybe the draft rights to some of the stash guys? Not really sure.

[jbk1234]

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-attempting-major-trade-before-nba-draft

Move up in a "weak" draft seems odd. Idk what plus assets they even have to make a move. Maybe Merrill since he can shoot, the new CBA probably stipulates he would have to be guaranteed, right? Maybe CPJ or TJ as young depth PGs? I think the other half of CPJs deal would have to be guaranteed under the current CBA, right?

Other than that, maybe the draft rights to some of the stash guys? Not really sure.

I mean getting into the lottery could mean anything from 11-15 and we're picking at 20. I'm not sure that has to be some kind of major trade, but I hope they're really, really sure about whoever they're targeting.

I have LeVert and Strus as positive especially if we're will to take back a questionable deal.

[JonFromVA]

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-attempting-major-trade-before-nba-draft

Move up in a "weak" draft seems odd. Idk what plus assets they even have to make a move. Maybe Merrill since he can shoot, the new CBA probably stipulates he would have to be guaranteed, right? Maybe CPJ or TJ as young depth PGs? I think the other half of CPJs deal would have to be guaranteed under the current CBA, right?

Other than that, maybe the draft rights to some of the stash guys? Not really sure.

A weak draft does present some opportunities because of how the salaries are slotted. Some teams may wish to move down or even out of the first round to get a player in the same tier for less money, while other teams may be happy to spend more to get a specific player.

It could cost us as little as nothing to swap spots. Maybe we throw in some cash, a second rounder, a draft & stash, etc, etc.

It may be a sign we're willing to let Okoro walk and spend his salary on the draft pick and hope for some instant contribution. The #10 pick for instance is going to make $4.5M, not an insignificant amount. The 20th pick will make $3M.

We might even be leaking it so we can convince players who would normally blow us off to come in and work out. It's a typical problem when a player falls in the draft. The guys on TV may insist he's falling and should have gone earlier, but how sure is a GM going to be if he's had little contact? Well, unless you're Chris Grant and you implicitly trust Dion Waiter's coaches.

[jbk1234]

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-attempting-major-trade-before-nba-draft

Move up in a "weak" draft seems odd. Idk what plus assets they even have to make a move. Maybe Merrill since he can shoot, the new CBA probably stipulates he would have to be guaranteed, right? Maybe CPJ or TJ as young depth PGs? I think the other half of CPJs deal would have to be guaranteed under the current CBA, right?

Other than that, maybe the draft rights to some of the stash guys? Not really sure.

A weak draft does present some opportunities because of how the salaries are slotted. Some teams may wish to move down or even out of the first round to get a player in the same tier for less money, while other teams may be happy to spend more to get a specific player.

It could cost us as little as nothing to swap spots. Maybe we throw in some cash, a second rounder, a draft & stash, etc, etc.

It may be a sign we're willing to let Okoro walk and spend his salary on the draft pick and hope for some instant contribution. The #10 pick for instance is going to make $4.5M, not an insignificant amount. The 20th pick will make $3M.

We might even be leaking it so we can convince players who would normally blow us off to come in and work out. It's a typical problem when a player falls in the draft. The guys on TV may insist he's falling and should have gone earlier, but how sure is a GM going to be if he's had little contact? Well, unless you're Chris Grant and you implicitly trust Dion Waiter's coaches.

All we need to do is trade for Barnes and we'll have had all three of Drummond, Waiters, Barnes, none of whom ended up being very good.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-attempting-major-trade-before-nba-draft

Move up in a "weak" draft seems odd. Idk what plus assets they even have to make a move. Maybe Merrill since he can shoot, the new CBA probably stipulates he would have to be guaranteed, right? Maybe CPJ or TJ as young depth PGs? I think the other half of CPJs deal would have to be guaranteed under the current CBA, right?

Other than that, maybe the draft rights to some of the stash guys? Not really sure.

I mean getting into the lottery could mean anything from 11-15 and we're picking at 20. I'm not sure that has to be some kind of major trade, but I hope they're really, really sure about whoever they're targeting.

I have LeVert and Strus as positive especially if we're will to take back a questionable deal.

I don't wanna trade Strus. Maybe LeVert but would have to see the deal.

[JonFromVA]

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-attempting-major-trade-before-nba-draft

Move up in a "weak" draft seems odd. Idk what plus assets they even have to make a move. Maybe Merrill since he can shoot, the new CBA probably stipulates he would have to be guaranteed, right? Maybe CPJ or TJ as young depth PGs? I think the other half of CPJs deal would have to be guaranteed under the current CBA, right?

Other than that, maybe the draft rights to some of the stash guys? Not really sure.

A weak draft does present some opportunities because of how the salaries are slotted. Some teams may wish to move down or even out of the first round to get a player in the same tier for less money, while other teams may be happy to spend more to get a specific player.

It could cost us as little as nothing to swap spots. Maybe we throw in some cash, a second rounder, a draft & stash, etc, etc.

It may be a sign we're willing to let Okoro walk and spend his salary on the draft pick and hope for some instant contribution. The #10 pick for instance is going to make $4.5M, not an insignificant amount. The 20th pick will make $3M.

We might even be leaking it so we can convince players who would normally blow us off to come in and work out. It's a typical problem when a player falls in the draft. The guys on TV may insist he's falling and should have gone earlier, but how sure is a GM going to be if he's had little contact? Well, unless you're Chris Grant and you implicitly trust Dion Waiter's coaches.

All we need to do is trade for Barnes and we'll have had all three of Drummond, Waiters, Barnes, none of whom ended up being very good.

Sadly, either of those guys would have been infinitely more useful/valuable than Dion.

Dion is closer to the Thomas Robinson and Michael Kidd Gilchrest level. :puke:

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-attempting-major-trade-before-nba-draft

Move up in a "weak" draft seems odd. Idk what plus assets they even have to make a move. Maybe Merrill since he can shoot, the new CBA probably stipulates he would have to be guaranteed, right? Maybe CPJ or TJ as young depth PGs? I think the other half of CPJs deal would have to be guaranteed under the current CBA, right?

Other than that, maybe the draft rights to some of the stash guys? Not really sure.

A weak draft does present some opportunities because of how the salaries are slotted. Some teams may wish to move down or even out of the first round to get a player in the same tier for less money, while other teams may be happy to spend more to get a specific player.

It could cost us as little as nothing to swap spots. Maybe we throw in some cash, a second rounder, a draft & stash, etc, etc.

It may be a sign we're willing to let Okoro walk and spend his salary on the draft pick and hope for some instant contribution. The #10 pick for instance is going to make $4.5M, not an insignificant amount. The 20th pick will make $3M.

We might even be leaking it so we can convince players who would normally blow us off to come in and work out. It's a typical problem when a player falls in the draft. The guys on TV may insist he's falling and should have gone earlier, but how sure is a GM going to be if he's had little contact? Well, unless you're Chris Grant and you implicitly trust Dion Waiter's coaches.

All of that is true, i guess we'll see how it plays out. Idk how reliable the source is either.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://clutchpoints.com/players-cavs-target-trade-2024-nba-draft?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0uPqnzz1udH6U8V9KvCxtCNPY1c5bdTcUps0P8KilLs5PBmGMGN2_bO68_aem_AZGWGg2nMKeFuH74-H4Tk1CqocS_wfYeNy3xMn1W89Au22C7J99bnamV0oFbD2-EPzojRyiw4zXobqz4I1emzxhN

This article did not do a good job of convincing me that trading up is the right move lol

[jbk1234]

https://clutchpoints.com/players-cavs-target-trade-2024-nba-draft?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0uPqnzz1udH6U8V9KvCxtCNPY1c5bdTcUps0P8KilLs5PBmGMGN2_bO68_aem_AZGWGg2nMKeFuH74-H4Tk1CqocS_wfYeNy3xMn1W89Au22C7J99bnamV0oFbD2-EPzojRyiw4zXobqz4I1emzxhN

This article did not do a good job of convincing me that trading up is the right move lol

The difference between moving LeVert and moving Allen is really stark IMO. Those are completely different trades.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://clutchpoints.com/players-cavs-target-trade-2024-nba-draft?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0uPqnzz1udH6U8V9KvCxtCNPY1c5bdTcUps0P8KilLs5PBmGMGN2_bO68_aem_AZGWGg2nMKeFuH74-H4Tk1CqocS_wfYeNy3xMn1W89Au22C7J99bnamV0oFbD2-EPzojRyiw4zXobqz4I1emzxhN

This article did not do a good job of convincing me that trading up is the right move lol

The difference between moving LeVert and moving Allen is really stark IMO. Those are completely different trades.

100% agree, when i read that i already knew i probably wasn't gonna like the article.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-urged-major-nba-draft-trade-sacramento-kings

I don't love the trade, maybe the Kings can throw in Ellis?

[jbk1234]

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-urged-major-nba-draft-trade-sacramento-kings

I don't love the trade, maybe the Kings can throw in Ellis?

I'm fine with it. I suspect that the Kings only do it if Monk isn't coming back.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-urged-major-nba-draft-trade-sacramento-kings

I don't love the trade, maybe the Kings can throw in Ellis?

I'm fine with it. I suspect that the Kings only do it if Monk isn't coming back.

I'd wanna try to move Niang in a seperate move, if the Cavs go through with this one.

[jbk1234]

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-urged-major-nba-draft-trade-sacramento-kings

I don't love the trade, maybe the Kings can throw in Ellis?

I'm fine with it. I suspect that the Kings only do it if Monk isn't coming back.

I'd wanna try to move Niang in a seperate move, if the Cavs go through with this one.

I want to try to move Niang regardless.

[JujitsuFlip]

I'm fine with it. I suspect that the Kings only do it if Monk isn't coming back.

I'd wanna try to move Niang in a seperate move, if the Cavs go through with this one.

I want to try to move Niang regardless.

Easier said than done lol