Mitchell to the Suns, Collins to the Kings, Utah moves up

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Re: Mitchell to the Suns, Collins to the Kings, Utah moves up 

Post#21 » by Colbinii » Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:17 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:
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LightTheBeam wrote:I like Collins more than Barnes for Sac, so I'm fine with this.

That said do the Jazz really deserve the value here? Alot of the consensus is Barnes>Collins in value.

I'd propose a slight change-

Phoenix Out: #22, Nassir Little, TPE [Cameron Payne]
Phoenix In: Davion Mitchell*, Sasha Vezenkov, #29

Sacramento Out: Davion Mitchell, Harrison Barnes, Sasha Vezenkov, #45, 2025 Portland 2nd
Sacramento In: John Collins, Little, #22

Utah Out: John Collins, #29
Utah In: Harrison Barnes, #45, 2025 Portland 2nd



As a second apron team, Phoenix lost all their TPE’s the day after the regular season ended.


The question then is do they have any matching dead salary that can be sent to keep it even?


Aside from Little, no, because they also can't aggregate their minimums.
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Re: Mitchell to the Suns, Collins to the Kings, Utah moves up 

Post#22 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:31 pm

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Scoot McGroot wrote:

As a second apron team, Phoenix lost all their TPE’s the day after the regular season ended.


The question then is do they have any matching dead salary that can be sent to keep it even?


Can you trade players who opt in to their second year player option?


You can trade a player just as soon as they legally act on their option. You cannot trade them if they have not.

The bigger issue though is that that doesn’t change anything. As a second apron team, Phoenix cannot legally aggregate salary. That means, they cannot combine Nasir Little and a vet minimum to acquire a player that Little couldn’t acquire on their own.
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Re: Mitchell to the Suns, Collins to the Kings, Utah moves up 

Post#23 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:58 pm

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Colbinii wrote:
So essentially it's Post-Game 82 to Trade Deadline.



Essentially. A team can still be treated as a corresponding apron team after game 82, as you put it, but they’re not locked into a hard cap unless they operate by completing a move that would restrict them from crossing an apron level.

If that makes sense.

I'm surprised you are still posting, considering that the Suns should have obviously hired you by now. But seriously, we are so lucky to have you on the board.



Haha!! After reading this complement, I found an interpretation that technically TPE’s aren’t “eliminated” for 2nd apron teams. A team can use their TPE generated in a previous season (again, season defined from end of one regular season to the end of the next regular season), but must be under the second apron at completion of the deal, and would then be hard capped at the 2nd apron as a result of using a TPE generated in a previous season.

The TPE’s remain in the books, but cannot be touched or used unless the team ends the trade under the second apron, and they are hard capped as a result.
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Re: Mitchell to the Suns, Collins to the Kings, Utah moves up 

Post#24 » by Fo-Real » Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:40 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
OGSactownballer wrote:
The question then is do they have any matching dead salary that can be sent to keep it even?


Can you trade players who opt in to their second year player option?


You can trade a player just as soon as they legally act on their option. You cannot trade them if they have not.

The bigger issue though is that that doesn’t change anything. As a second apron team, Phoenix cannot legally aggregate salary. That means, they cannot combine Nasir Little and a vet minimum to acquire a player that Little couldn’t acquire on their own.


Yep, forgot about aggregate salaries!

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