Mavs coaching discussion

[Hoopz Afrik]

Think kidd is great at handling egos. Like we got a lot of psychology stuff and educations at work. Kidd basicly using motivational interviewing on thesr guys. He never tells them what to do. He lets them come to the conclusion what needs to be changed to fulfill the goal, but offering up his advice thru saying what he would have done as a player without telling them to do this and do that. And by being kidd, who as a player luka and kai highly regarded, they will listen and dissect it. Thrn both of them is so brilliant that they can use parts of what he is saying, apply what parts would work for the situation and make the best of it.

There is more technically genius coaches out there, but hanfling stars and players Im not sure there is. Just look at soccer. The headcoach isnt even called a coach, he is called the manager. And managing coaches and players is imo his main strength

That's it.

But you know it's more cool write "this thread hasn't aged well"...

Both things can be true. This thread hasn't aged well at all even if you're unwilling to admit it.

Also, Jason Kidd might not be the greatest X's and O's strategist but he sure as heck has the buy-in from everyone on the team which is probably more important as the head coach of a team with one superstar and another high-end star in tow.

At any rate, the Mavs are in the Finals once again and Jason Kidd is a huge reason why. Congrats to you all and I'll be rooting for yall to finish the job.

[Mavrelous]

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[41Dirk41]

Immagine resign a coach sweept in the Finals.

Horrible move, but a lot of people here were happy so you deserved this.

[blueberrysticky]

If it's the same full heliocentric with an out of shape/injured luka we wont make it through 4 playoff rounds. Luka will once again wrap himself up like he is in The Mummy, dominate while he has energy and then complain late in the game when he doesn't. And I admit that I wasn't happy with how the refs called game 3 but Luka has to take some of the onus on him. Be in shape. Your fans are watching you looking at you looking like you're a broken down car at age 25.

And for kidd....what were those lineups out there on the court when the season is on the balance? Why is THJ (b4 luka fouled out) out there? No more slow,heliocentric offense. It can only get so far (credit to luka/kyrie for making it this far with crazy shotmaking), but this is just bad and we won games last 3 rounds b/c luka or kyrie made Dude Perfect shots. That isn't reliable basketball

[arkuo]

Heliocentric basketball can get you:
1. Regular season wins
2. Good stats
3. Youtube highlights

But in the playoffs where teams play a 7 game series, good teams catch on and coaching adjustments make it difficult for players like Luka to just throw lobs like video games. In a 7 game series those get shut down and adjustments come in game to game. If you're not making shots then it's going to be a long night. Dirk probably shot 90% when he got his ring. Let his shot do the talking and not talked to the refs.

[blueberrysticky]

I miss dirk's attitude and work ethic. Could give a **** about luka's talent right now. Dirk sat courtside and had to watch that tonight. I've seen Dirk try to tell Luka to shut up about the refs too. Luka just doesn't listen.

In this series due to the circumstances if you replaced Luka with Prime Dirk the mavs would put up WAYYY more of a fight and be more enjoyable to watch.

edit: and to clarify ..yeah I know talent wise luka is luka. But mentally he just isn't there yet.

[arkuo]

I miss dirk's attitude and work ethic. Could give a **** about luka's talent right now. Dirk sat courtside and had to watch that tonight. I've seen Dirk try to tell Luka to shut up about the refs too. Luka just doesn't listen.

What Dirk lacked in talent versus Luka's circus shots and regular season triple doubles, he made up for in effort by training with Holger.

Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

[41Dirk41]

We can talk all day long but with 0 offensive schemes the heliocentric basket is the only way to play for Luka and Kyrie.

Mazzulla just pulled off our lobs and corner 3s and we are done. Hero ball for 3 games. That's the series.

[arkuo]

We can talk all day long but with 0 offensive schemes the heliocentric basket is the only way to play for Luka and Kyrie.

Mazzulla just pulled off our lobs and corner 3s and we are done. Hero ball for 3 games. That's the series.

It's the chicken vs the egg IMO. Zero offensive schemes is the result of the quality of players brought in. We are who we are because Luka plays a certain way that requires players to stand outside and wait for a pass. And since we are built like that, I think we just have to ride this car until the tires fall off. Harden, Westbrook, Luka all have similar games and all those have a certain ceiling.

[41Dirk41]

We can talk all day long but with 0 offensive schemes the heliocentric basket is the only way to play for Luka and Kyrie.

Mazzulla just pulled off our lobs and corner 3s and we are done. Hero ball for 3 games. That's the series.

It's the chicken vs the egg IMO. Zero offensive schemes is the result of the quality of players brought in. We are who we are because Luka plays a certain way that requires players to stand outside and wait for a pass. And since we are built like that, I think we just have to ride this car until the tires fall off. Harden, Westbrook, Luka all have similar games and all those have a certain ceiling.

We played no post game against a smaller team.
We have no schemes for shooters, THJ and Hardy are both limited but i never saw them coming off a screen.
No variation in the p&r, just basic 14yo minibasket set.
Our offensive is pathetic unless Luka&Kyrie are in God mode.

Mazzulla had a very easy job in this series, maybe the easiest job in his life.

Ok we can put all the blame on Luka and it's ok, he is the superstar of this team.
The L is on him first for sure. No problem.

[arkuo]

We can talk all day long but with 0 offensive schemes the heliocentric basket is the only way to play for Luka and Kyrie.

Mazzulla just pulled off our lobs and corner 3s and we are done. Hero ball for 3 games. That's the series.

It's the chicken vs the egg IMO. Zero offensive schemes is the result of the quality of players brought in. We are who we are because Luka plays a certain way that requires players to stand outside and wait for a pass. And since we are built like that, I think we just have to ride this car until the tires fall off. Harden, Westbrook, Luka all have similar games and all those have a certain ceiling.

We played no post game against a smaller team.
We have no schemes for shooters, THJ and Hardy are both limited but i never saw them coming off a screen.
No variation in the p&r, just basic 14yo minibasket set.
Our offensive is pathetic unless Luka&Kyrie are in God mode.

Mazzulla had a very easy job in this series, maybe the easiest job in his life.

Ok we can put all the blame on Luka and it's ok, he is the superstar of this team.
The L is on him first for sure. No problem.

I agree. But Mavs are a team with no post game to begin with. Remember when KP would complain about havi g some plays called for him. And we would just revert back to just throwing lob passes instead. The team is built differently and is built on Luka quarterbacking for 19 seconds and either he kicks out to a 3 point shooter or throws a lob pass as the opposing center closes out on him. There's not much variation there as the pieces that were brought in was for a specific task. Asking the same pieces to do othet things would be out of their scope of work IMO.

[Mr B]

I like the Nico pride, he want to win a ring without a real coach. That guy has great courage.

Jason Kidd is the new Doc Rivers.

0% coaching skills.
100% (unmotivated) reputation around the league.

Others GM will party all night long.
It's insane how NBA world works.

Goodbye. It's just too much.

If they win a ring and under Kidd does it matter what people think of coaching prowess?

Mr. B, i like a lot your optimism... Just like when you compared our roster in 2021 or 2022 to our championship roster. Funny.
Unfortunately you rarely have right.

We need the better coaching staff in the world to win a ring under Jason Kidd.
For example Kokoskov, Stotts and Casey.


Jason Kidd is not my coach.

Two WCF appearances and 1 NBA Finals appearance in 3 seasons. If Kidd isn’t your coach then maybe the Mavs aren’t your team.

[Mr B]

Mr. B, i like a lot your optimism... Just like when you compared our roster in 2021 or 2022 to our championship roster. Funny.
Unfortunately you rarely have right.

We need the better coaching staff in the world to win a ring under Jason Kidd.
For example Kokoskov, Stotts and Casey.


Jason Kidd is not my coach.

Clearly he’s not your coach because you don’t play for the team. He IS Luka and Kyrie’s coach though and that’s really because they both want him there. What kind of sense does it make to piss if your two best players. Their best bet would be to upgrade the coaches around Kidd. Prior to Frank Vogel signing on to be the Suns HC the Mavs were trying to add him to the being staff. I would not be surprised if they actually do it this time.

Great argument, so they can hire Luka best friend and Kyrie spiritual pastor and it's the same situation.

How he reacted to OKC second half last night was absolutely inexplicable or maybe yes. He was still here, watching the game with his hands in his pockets.

Great work.

If you are comparing friends of players to actual NBA coaches and think they’re the same then maybe you’re not qualified to be in this conversation.

[41Dirk41]

If they win a ring and under Kidd does it matter what people think of coaching prowess?

Mr. B, i like a lot your optimism... Just like when you compared our roster in 2021 or 2022 to our championship roster. Funny.
Unfortunately you rarely have right.

We need the better coaching staff in the world to win a ring under Jason Kidd.
For example Kokoskov, Stotts and Casey.


Jason Kidd is not my coach.

Two WCF appearances and 1 NBA Finals appearance in 3 seasons. If Kidd isn’t your coach then maybe the Mavs aren’t your team.

..and 2 humiliating losing series... when the team needs the coach's intervention it's over for the Mavs.

Kidd is a joke, whether you like it or not.

P.S.
I was right again my friend... I hope Nico will hire some great assistants this summer.

[blueberrysticky]

We need a strong offensive-mind assistant at the very least.

Kidd does do a good enough job defensively (we struggle versus 5-out teams with true shooters). But our offensive scheme of luka carry the ball up-court and pray didn't work all 4 rounds. End heliocentric. We will have all regular season with our new players to instill new offensive mindset so lets hope he does it.

[Mr B]

Mr. B, i like a lot your optimism... Just like when you compared our roster in 2021 or 2022 to our championship roster. Funny.
Unfortunately you rarely have right.

We need the better coaching staff in the world to win a ring under Jason Kidd.
For example Kokoskov, Stotts and Casey.


Jason Kidd is not my coach.

Two WCF appearances and 1 NBA Finals appearance in 3 seasons. If Kidd isn’t your coach then maybe the Mavs aren’t your team.

..and 2 humiliating losing series... when the team needs the coach's intervention it's over for the Mavs.

Kidd is a joke, whether you like it or not.

P.S.
I was right again my friend... I hope Nico will hire some great assistants this summer.

Well you’re wrong. Kidd is a good young coach. I still would prefer that they upgrade his assistants but overall he’s a good coach. He’s proved that over last 3 years. I understand you don’t like him but that doesn’t matter because the team and players do.

[41Dirk41]

Two WCF appearances and 1 NBA Finals appearance in 3 seasons. If Kidd isn’t your coach then maybe the Mavs aren’t your team.

..and 2 humiliating losing series... when the team needs the coach's intervention it's over for the Mavs.

Kidd is a joke, whether you like it or not.

P.S.
I was right again my friend... I hope Nico will hire some great assistants this summer.

Well you’re wrong. Kidd is a good young coach. I still would prefer that they upgrade his assistants but overall he’s a good coach. He’s proved that over last 3 years. I understand you don’t like him but that doesn’t matter because the team and players do.

Say "good young coach" is just an admission that he's not ready for win a title... So ok we agree, he is wrong for the Mavs.

Unfortunately he is not even a young coach

[Mavrelous]

Pistons got permission to interview Sean Sweeney.

[Mr B]

..and 2 humiliating losing series... when the team needs the coach's intervention it's over for the Mavs.

Kidd is a joke, whether you like it or not.

P.S.
I was right again my friend... I hope Nico will hire some great assistants this summer.

Well you’re wrong. Kidd is a good young coach. I still would prefer that they upgrade his assistants but overall he’s a good coach. He’s proved that over last 3 years. I understand you don’t like him but that doesn’t matter because the team and players do.

Say "good young coach" is just an admission that he's not ready for win a title... So ok we agree, he is wrong for the Mavs.

Unfortunately he is not even a young coach

You could say that about every coach in the NBA that hasn’t won a title yet. You also could have said that about Rick Carlisle in 2010 and you would have been correct. Of course he wasn’t ready yet, every coach that hasn’t won’t it yet means they weren’t ready. Does that mean he won’t be good enough to win it next year or the year after that? Who knows, but again that can be said about every coach.

[41Dirk41]

Well you’re wrong. Kidd is a good young coach. I still would prefer that they upgrade his assistants but overall he’s a good coach. He’s proved that over last 3 years. I understand you don’t like him but that doesn’t matter because the team and players do.

Say "good young coach" is just an admission that he's not ready for win a title... So ok we agree, he is wrong for the Mavs.

Unfortunately he is not even a young coach

You could say that about every coach in the NBA that hasn’t won a title yet. You also could have said that about Rick Carlisle in 2010 and you would have been correct. Of course he wasn’t ready yet, every coach that hasn’t won’t it yet means they weren’t ready. Does that mean he won’t be good enough to win it next year or the year after that? Who knows, but again that can be said about every coach.

Kidd is a 51yo with 11years exp as a coach... If he is not ready now I doubt it will ever be ready... Mostly because his past exp as a coach were very bad different to Carlisle.

You can live in hope or hope that Nico will build a strong enough roster to win on his own but the reality is that he is just mediocre and when the team needed his help because the opponents were better all its shortcomings were seen ( humiliating series loss against GS and Celtics).

Yes even Doc Rivers won a title so there is hope but miracles happens one in a lifetime

We need at least a very good offensive assistant coach (like Kokoskov but probably is a shame for him that role under Kidd. I can understand it.).

Back to back Finals in this west is pretty impossible... Stop dreaming my friend.