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[douggood]

I’m down with letting Precious, Burks, and Bogs walk while being in Oubre with part of the mle and drafting three rookies for the bench. Bringing OG and IHart back obviously and running it back with the great depth.

Can we resign iHart ($17M/yr) and OG ($35M/per) and still bring back Precious, Burks, and Bojan?

yes absolutely, they could sign all of them to $100 mil deals if they want, there is nothing in the cba stopping it.

the issue is what happens if you bring everyone back at a reasonable number, and the restrictions after that.
pay tax? be above the 1st apron? be above the 2nd apron?

there are 6 signed players making 103, add in 52 for ihart + og, thats $155 for 8 players.
155+ bogs (19) = $174 for 9 players (note tax line is $172, already exceeding that for 9 players)
add in 5 minimum players and you are above the first apron (178$),
and instead if you want to keep precious($6), burks($6), add in the 2 picks($5)etc, you are above the 2nd apron (which is $188).

[HarthorneWingo]

I’m down with letting Precious, Burks, and Bogs walk while being in Oubre with part of the mle and drafting three rookies for the bench. Bringing OG and IHart back obviously and running it back with the great depth.

Can we resign iHart ($17M/yr) and OG ($35M/per) and still bring back Precious, Burks, and Bojan?

yes absolutely, they could sign all of them to $100 mil deals if they want, there is nothing in the cba stopping it.

the issue is what happens if you bring everyone back at a reasonable number, and the restrictions after that.
pay tax? be above the 1st apron? be above the 2nd apron?

there are 6 signed players making 103, add in 52 for ihart + og, thats $155 for 8 players.
155+ bogs (19) = $174 for 9 players (note tax line is $172, already exceeding that for 9 players)
add in 5 minimum players and you are above the first apron (178$),
and instead if you want to keep precious($6), burks($6), add in the 2 picks($5)etc, you are above the 2nd apron (which is $188).

Thanks for that breakdown.

I don't pretend to know all of the repercussions of us being over the 1st or 2nd aprons under the cap rules. I assume that there is an onerous financial tax extracted by the NBA. I could care less about it because Dolan has the money. My only concern is the loss of draft picks ... though with Thibs, who cares?

[thebuzzardman]

Can we resign iHart ($17M/yr) and OG ($35M/per) and still bring back Precious, Burks, and Bojan?

yes absolutely, they could sign all of them to $100 mil deals if they want, there is nothing in the cba stopping it.

the issue is what happens if you bring everyone back at a reasonable number, and the restrictions after that.
pay tax? be above the 1st apron? be above the 2nd apron?

there are 6 signed players making 103, add in 52 for ihart + og, thats $155 for 8 players.
155+ bogs (19) = $174 for 9 players (note tax line is $172, already exceeding that for 9 players)
add in 5 minimum players and you are above the first apron (178$),
and instead if you want to keep precious($6), burks($6), add in the 2 picks($5)etc, you are above the 2nd apron (which is $188).

Thanks for that breakdown.

I don't pretend to know all of the repercussions of us being over the 1st or 2nd aprons under the cap rules. I assume that there is an onerous financial tax extracted by the NBA. I could care less about it because Dolan has the money. My only concern is the loss of draft picks ... though with Thibs, who cares?

Some of this seems somewhat easy to solve:

See you later Burks
Nice knowing you Precious
MAYBE trade one 1st round pick
Be careful how much OG etc get paid and how the contracts are structured.

Then it's stuff around Bogs - trade him alone or with X player (like Mitch) for some higher paid player OR
Let Bogs go and just take the 2 million cap hit or whatever.
Convert a lot of that salary space of Bogs into Oubre and someone else, and so on.


This will be where Aller earns his pay.

I doubt they traded for OG without considering all the ramifications.

[3toheadmelo]

Kelly arguably played the best D on JB this entire playoffs.

brunson dropped 40+ the last 3 games to finish them off. he didnt do anything to him.

the suns made it to the finals as soon as they got rid of him. dude is a chucker that doesnt play defense.

That's like saying John Starks was an awful defender because he couldn't stop Jordan. Dunno how anyone can come to the conclusion he's a bad defender and chucker. To each their own.

I watched tons of games when he was in Phoenix. I said it back then once they get rid of him Phoenix will take off and that’s exactly what happened. I actually don’t know how anyone can watch him and think he’s a 2 way player.

[moocow007]

Would you do Randle, Bojan, Deuce and 7 1st round picks for Giannis?

[WargamesX]

brunson dropped 40+ the last 3 games to finish them off. he didnt do anything to him.

the suns made it to the finals as soon as they got rid of him. dude is a chucker that doesnt play defense.

That's like saying John Starks was an awful defender because he couldn't stop Jordan. Dunno how anyone can come to the conclusion he's a bad defender and chucker. To each their own.

I watched tons of games when he was in Phoenix. I said it back then once they get rid of him Phoenix will take off and that’s exactly what happened. I actually don’t know how anyone can watch him and think he’s a 2 way player.

https://youtu.be/G5DwU2wj_hY?si=kLNalbw8Bo3TW_NO

He played decent man defense and help defense in the series. The issue is Brunson is one of the most multifaceted scorers in the league.

[dukeknicksirish]

Would you do Randle, Bojan, Deuce and 7 1st round picks for Giannis?

For a 5 of Brunson/DDV/OG/Giannis/IHart ?

Uhmmm… yes

Does MIL want that package? No (unless they can guarantee a flip of Ju for young player and more picks)

[3toheadmelo]

That's like saying John Starks was an awful defender because he couldn't stop Jordan. Dunno how anyone can come to the conclusion he's a bad defender and chucker. To each their own.

I watched tons of games when he was in Phoenix. I said it back then once they get rid of him Phoenix will take off and that’s exactly what happened. I actually don’t know how anyone can watch him and think he’s a 2 way player.

https://youtu.be/G5DwU2wj_hY?si=kLNalbw8Bo3TW_NO

He played decent man defense and help defense in the series. The issue is Brunson is one of the most multifaceted scorers in the league.

that's just game 1 and it's showing what maxey did against brunson too.

for the whole series Brunson shot 53.8% against oubre. 21/39. oubre is a cone. he'll have a good play or two but he gets cooked majority of the time. there's a reason why no one even wanted to give him a multi year contract in the off season. even the hornets got rid of him.

[KOA]

Would you do Randle, Bojan, Deuce and 7 1st round picks for Giannis?

For a 5 of Brunson/DDV/OG/Giannis/IHart ?

Uhmmm… yes

Does MIL want that package? No (unless they can guarantee a flip of Ju for young player and more picks)

Don’t think that team would do all that well. IHart and Mitch are terrible fits next to Giannis. You’d need a stretch 5 otherwise we’d probably be worse than we are today

[WargamesX]

I watched tons of games when he was in Phoenix. I said it back then once they get rid of him Phoenix will take off and that’s exactly what happened. I actually don’t know how anyone can watch him and think he’s a 2 way player.

https://youtu.be/G5DwU2wj_hY?si=kLNalbw8Bo3TW_NO

He played decent man defense and help defense in the series. The issue is Brunson is one of the most multifaceted scorers in the league.

that's just game 1 and it's showing what maxey did against brunson too.

for the whole series Brunson shot 53.8% against oubre. 21/39. oubre is a cone. he'll have a good play or two but he gets cooked majority of the time. there's a reason why no one even wanted to give him a multi year contract in the off season. even the hornets got rid of him.

You underestimating Brunson ability to adjust after the first few games he gave Philly credit and said he was going to have to figure it out. Philly’s approach was swipe at the ball, and challenge at the hoop hard. Plus Oubre would be our 8-9 man, we had problems with Orlando because we needed more wing depth and could use some more scoring off the bench. And Maybe he keeps Thibs from playing OG for more than 30 minutes a night.

[3toheadmelo]

https://youtu.be/G5DwU2wj_hY?si=kLNalbw8Bo3TW_NO

He played decent man defense and help defense in the series. The issue is Brunson is one of the most multifaceted scorers in the league.

that's just game 1 and it's showing what maxey did against brunson too.

for the whole series Brunson shot 53.8% against oubre. 21/39. oubre is a cone. he'll have a good play or two but he gets cooked majority of the time. there's a reason why no one even wanted to give him a multi year contract in the off season. even the hornets got rid of him.

You underestimating Brunson ability to adjust after the first few games he gave Philly credit and said he was going to have to figure it out. Philly’s approach was swipe at the ball, and challenge at the hoop hard. Plus Oubre would be our 8-9 man, we had problems with Orlando because we needed more wing depth and could use some more scoring off the bench. And Maybe he keeps Thibs from playing OG for more than 30 minutes a night.

i'll pass on oubre. his defense sucks and he doesn't pass the ball ever. he's like a younger alec burks.

[WargamesX]

that's just game 1 and it's showing what maxey did against brunson too.

for the whole series Brunson shot 53.8% against oubre. 21/39. oubre is a cone. he'll have a good play or two but he gets cooked majority of the time. there's a reason why no one even wanted to give him a multi year contract in the off season. even the hornets got rid of him.

You underestimating Brunson ability to adjust after the first few games he gave Philly credit and said he was going to have to figure it out. Philly’s approach was swipe at the ball, and challenge at the hoop hard. Plus Oubre would be our 8-9 man, we had problems with Orlando because we needed more wing depth and could use some more scoring off the bench. And Maybe he keeps Thibs from playing OG for more than 30 minutes a night.

i'll pass on oubre. his defense sucks and he doesn't pass the ball ever. he's like a younger alec burks.

You keep saying that and I keep trying to tell you he’s actually got better. Maybe having to accept a minimum salary flipped the switch but he started playing better team ball & the 3 ball became a lot more consistent. He’s not a 3&D player, he’s a microwave scorer who isn’t a defensive liability. Yeah there are a lot better players out there but he might be an upgrade to Bojan on a MLE contract.

He’s a misfit and the Knicks do very well with those.

[KnixinSix]

Would you do Randle, Bojan, Deuce and 7 1st round picks for Giannis?

For a 5 of Brunson/DDV/OG/Giannis/IHart ?

Uhmmm… yes

Does MIL want that package? No (unless they can guarantee a flip of Ju for young player and more picks)

Our biggest weakness is perimeter shooting but almost everything else of that lineup is dominant/borderline dominant.

In the paint Defense, Perimeter defense, pure scoring, rebounding, front court size.

3 ball isn't elite but it is pretty good between the 1,2, and 3 spots. We could probably add a 3 guy on the cheap that will want a ring to complete the picture.

It's hard not to think with a Brunson that played anywhere near the one we saw in these playoffs and then adding a Giannis and then OG as your defensive chess piece that this team wouldn't be an absolute finals favorite.

[Wildcat]

brunson dropped 40+ the last 3 games to finish them off. he didnt do anything to him.

the suns made it to the finals as soon as they got rid of him. dude is a chucker that doesnt play defense.

That's like saying John Starks was an awful defender because he couldn't stop Jordan. Dunno how anyone can come to the conclusion he's a bad defender and chucker. To each their own.

I watched tons of games when he was in Phoenix. I said it back then once they get rid of him Phoenix will take off and that’s exactly what happened. I actually don’t know how anyone can watch him and think he’s a 2 way player.

Your data is old, mate. He looked pretty good to me this season, more so in the playoffs. Nurse seemed to figure out the best way to utilize him. I'm sure as hell not looking at Phoenix as the gold standard, either. I'm not calling him a stopper, but a piece off the bench? I'd take him.

[KnixinSix]

The finals potentially finishing quickly is a benefit because we will see the Knicks plans quickly come to light after the finals are over.

So expect things to heat up very quickly or at least get a much better sense of the potential for a big move between the finals finishing and early July. Why? Because a bunch of CBA stuff kicks in as well as the draft and other key times to consummate trades will be happening by then.

[dukeknicksirish]

I have a feeling, well I bet we all do, that we’re going to stay with the same team as before. I don’t have an issue with it, but I would love to see us draft 2 players to the roster.

I am not sure the logistics on needing to stay put or trade up, but if we can land a combo or Edey/Kel’el & McCain/Dunn, I’d be a happy camper

[3toheadmelo]

That's like saying John Starks was an awful defender because he couldn't stop Jordan. Dunno how anyone can come to the conclusion he's a bad defender and chucker. To each their own.

I watched tons of games when he was in Phoenix. I said it back then once they get rid of him Phoenix will take off and that’s exactly what happened. I actually don’t know how anyone can watch him and think he’s a 2 way player.

Your data is old, mate. He looked pretty good to me this season, more so in the playoffs. Nurse seemed to figure out the best way to utilize him. I'm sure as hell not looking at Phoenix as the gold standard, either. I'm not calling him a stopper, but a piece off the bench? I'd take him.

all i saw him was get cooked in the post season by brunson and take a bunch of ill advised shots. didn't look any different from when he was in phoenix. i'll pass.

[KnixinSix]

The guy we've not talked about enough is KD I think.

There is a chance (albeit not huge perhaps) Phoenix will move him . He's 35 and they recognize the chemistry wasn't good between him Booker and Beal. Booker they probably hold on to bc the window with him is so much longer due to his age.

They are dealing with the cap now under the new CBA. I could definitely see them move Durant.

According to Berman, Durants handler LOVES the Knicks and still wants him to go there.

Would you be OK with Durant for Randle + some other stuff?

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[sol537]

1) use all 3 draft picks on 3&D types
2) let Precious, Burks, Bogs walk ($2m guaranteed on Bogs)
3) sign Patrick Williams or Isaac Okoro to full MLE to see if their teams match
4) extend iHart and OG
5) extend Thibs for 3 more seasons
6) run it back and evaluate team before Feb '25 trade deadline

Roster:

iHart / Mitch / Draftee
Randle / Oubre / Draftee
OG / Hart
DDV / Draftee
Brunson / McBride

Perfectly solid off-season and keeps us under the aprons.

[DaGawd]

The guy we've not talked about enough is KD I think.

There is a chance (albeit not huge perhaps) Phoenix will move him . He's 35 and they recognize the chemistry wasn't good between him Booker and Beal. Booker they probably hold on to bc the window with him is so much longer due to his age.

They are dealing with the cap now under the new CBA. I could definitely see them move Durant.

According to Berman, Durants handler LOVES the Knicks and still wants him to go there.

Would you be OK with Durant for Randle + some other stuff?

Watch on YouTube

if we go by everything the suns have been saying they’re aren’t planning on moving any of their big 3 guys.. of course things can always change but it won’t be the suns who decide to break things up