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Post#141 » by Archx » Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:00 pm

Mavrelous wrote:He's clearly injured and barely moving, and the whistle really isn't fair.


Yeah but problem is, outside of Mavs fans, no one really cares :D It's just nature of the sports. He could be playing with only 1 leg and people would still talk **** because he failed.

Unfortunately Luka has a ton of things he has to improve on in order to fix all the weaknesses he's shown during these tough playoffs. Problem is, with all the injuries and national games, i'm not sure how he's going to deal with all of that. Next season will come quickly after that. Next year could be a problem with possible Kyrie regression and Luka having zero time to fully regenerate and train.
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Post#142 » by arkuo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:11 pm

Luka and Kyrie not being able to play defense results in them being hunted down on defense. Mazulla will spam the hell out of scoring on Doncic because he knows he cant defend and doing so tires him a bit more. So there's so much upside in making Luka work on the defensive side. The problem is that for every point they score on the offensive end, Dallas cant match that kind of firepower. Luka seems to play at his own pace while Brown and Tatum try to run Dallas out of the gym. That's the gameplan. If Luka cant set the table, then Dallas cant eat dinner.
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Post#143 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:14 pm

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Mavrelous wrote:He's clearly injured and barely moving, and the whistle really isn't fair.


Yeah but problem is, outside of Mavs fans, no one really cares :D It's just nature of the sports. He could be playing with only 1 leg and people would still talk **** because he failed.

Unfortunately Luka has a ton of things he has to improve on in order to fix all the weaknesses he's shown during these tough playoffs. Problem is, with all the injuries and national games, i'm not sure how he's going to deal with all of that. Next season will come quickly after that. Next year could be a problem with possible Kyrie regression and Luka having zero time to fully regenerate and train.

Is he playing in Olympic qualifiers?
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Post#144 » by HMFFL » Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:36 pm

arkuo wrote:Luka and Kyrie not being able to play defense results in them being hunted down on defense. Mazulla will spam the hell out of scoring on Doncic because he knows he cant defend and doing so tires him a bit more. So there's so much upside in making Luka work on the defensive side. The problem is that for every point they score on the offensive end, Dallas cant match that kind of firepower. Luka seems to play at his own pace while Brown and Tatum try to run Dallas out of the gym. That's the gameplan. If Luka cant set the table, then Dallas cant eat dinner.


You summed it up.
Our FO will continue to evolve the roster this off-season but it's clear that this rosters not ready to be champions. Next season will be a more challenging path to the Finals than this season. For Boston, I expect them in the Finals next year, because the East seems to be much easier. However, their team has been constructed to be champions, and it's taken years to get to this point. It's well deserved!
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Post#145 » by HMFFL » Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:36 pm

Points In The Paint:

Boston 36
Dallas 52

Fastbreak Points:
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Dallas 12
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Re: Finals 2024 - G3 - Mavs Vs Celtics (Wednesday, 8:30 PM EST) 

Post#146 » by Archx » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:01 pm

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Mavrelous wrote:He's clearly injured and barely moving, and the whistle really isn't fair.


Yeah but problem is, outside of Mavs fans, no one really cares :D It's just nature of the sports. He could be playing with only 1 leg and people would still talk **** because he failed.

Unfortunately Luka has a ton of things he has to improve on in order to fix all the weaknesses he's shown during these tough playoffs. Problem is, with all the injuries and national games, i'm not sure how he's going to deal with all of that. Next season will come quickly after that. Next year could be a problem with possible Kyrie regression and Luka having zero time to fully regenerate and train.

Is he playing in Olympic qualifiers?


With the way things are going, probably not. He'll need a lot of time to regenerate and heal. And those games plus the tournament are coming very fast. I would be VERY surprised if he plays in the Olympics, even if our team somehow manages to get there.
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Post#147 » by Bob8 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:08 pm

Archx wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
Archx wrote:
Yeah but problem is, outside of Mavs fans, no one really cares :D It's just nature of the sports. He could be playing with only 1 leg and people would still talk **** because he failed.

Unfortunately Luka has a ton of things he has to improve on in order to fix all the weaknesses he's shown during these tough playoffs. Problem is, with all the injuries and national games, i'm not sure how he's going to deal with all of that. Next season will come quickly after that. Next year could be a problem with possible Kyrie regression and Luka having zero time to fully regenerate and train.

Is he playing in Olympic qualifiers?


With the way things are going, probably not. He'll need a lot of time to regenerate and heal. And those games plus the tournament are coming very fast. I would be VERY surprised if he plays in the Olympics, even if our team somehow manages to get there.


There's 0 worries that Slovenia can make Olympics without him, I doubt very much they can win in Greece against Greece with Giannis with him either. Saying that, I won't be surprised if he plays, if the season finishes on Saturday.
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Post#148 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:12 pm

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Archx wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Is he playing in Olympic qualifiers?


With the way things are going, probably not. He'll need a lot of time to regenerate and heal. And those games plus the tournament are coming very fast. I would be VERY surprised if he plays in the Olympics, even if our team somehow manages to get there.


There's 0 worries that Slovenia can make Olympics without him, I doubt very much they can win in Greece against Greece with Giannis with him either. Saying that, I won't be surprised if he plays, if the season finishes on Saturday.

You're not beating Croatia w/o him...
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Post#149 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:13 pm

Archx wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
Archx wrote:
Yeah but problem is, outside of Mavs fans, no one really cares :D It's just nature of the sports. He could be playing with only 1 leg and people would still talk **** because he failed.

Unfortunately Luka has a ton of things he has to improve on in order to fix all the weaknesses he's shown during these tough playoffs. Problem is, with all the injuries and national games, i'm not sure how he's going to deal with all of that. Next season will come quickly after that. Next year could be a problem with possible Kyrie regression and Luka having zero time to fully regenerate and train.

Is he playing in Olympic qualifiers?


With the way things are going, probably not. He'll need a lot of time to regenerate and heal. And those games plus the tournament are coming very fast. I would be VERY surprised if he plays in the Olympics, even if our team somehow manages to get there.


He will play 100%, he already told it.

And no, he is not so injuried and "can barely moving".
He has some injuries like a lot of players in PO and probably he is tired because his condition isn't at the top.

But he played very well in G2 and trash tonight. This.
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Post#150 » by Bob8 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:14 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Archx wrote:
With the way things are going, probably not. He'll need a lot of time to regenerate and heal. And those games plus the tournament are coming very fast. I would be VERY surprised if he plays in the Olympics, even if our team somehow manages to get there.


There's 0 worries that Slovenia can make Olympics without him, I doubt very much they can win in Greece against Greece with Giannis with him either. Saying that, I won't be surprised if he plays, if the season finishes on Saturday.

You're not beating Croatia w/o him...


They don't need to.
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Post#151 » by arkuo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:26 pm

Bob8 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
There's 0 worries that Slovenia can make Olympics without him, I doubt very much they can win in Greece against Greece with Giannis with him either. Saying that, I won't be surprised if he plays, if the season finishes on Saturday.

You're not beating Croatia w/o him...


They don't need to.


Hey Bob, will Gafford get naturalized in time? What's the news in Slovenia?
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Post#153 » by Archx » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:47 pm

arkuo wrote:
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Mavrelous wrote:You're not beating Croatia w/o him...


They don't need to.


Hey Bob, will Gafford get naturalized in time? What's the news in Slovenia?


He won't. There were some discussions behind the scenes but nothing more.
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Post#154 » by Archx » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:54 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
Archx wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Is he playing in Olympic qualifiers?


With the way things are going, probably not. He'll need a lot of time to regenerate and heal. And those games plus the tournament are coming very fast. I would be VERY surprised if he plays in the Olympics, even if our team somehow manages to get there.


He will play 100%, he already told it.

And no, he is not so injuried and "can barely moving".
He has some injuries like a lot of players in PO and probably he is tired because his condition isn't at the top.

But he played very well in G2 and trash tonight. This.


If you need to take injections for the pain, you are injured :D Sprained knee also didn't magically heal through the playoffs. These injuries take time to properly heal. I mean, sure he can play but he's probably more of a hindrance at this point than an asset. I he can't move his feet on defense, there is no point. Slovenia won't win vs Greece anyway, they're simply too strong.
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Post#155 » by Darren » Thu Jun 13, 2024 2:14 pm

I think the Mavs makes the case for a win this game. But unfortunately, it doesn't work out. Some calls are questionable. So is some substitution. I don't really expect Hardaway to play big minutes in Finals unless it is against Miami. Quite conversely, I expect a break out series for Hardy. And Exum will get playing time. Actually, Hardy plays right despite stepping out of bound and get a in-your-face 3. For one, this is a layup had it not been for being ruled stepping out of bound. And for the three pointer, Hardy stay in front and make sure that it is a contested shots. I think it is the right play. But maybe, for players with shorter arm, you have to get closer to contest a shot.

Exum and Green actually play well with some fixable mistakes. I don't think Luka should be blamed for the sixth foul. Taking a charge is not that easy. Make sure that you get it right next time. It's okay. Maybe you ask JJ Barea and Devin Harris for help. However, some turnovers and fouls are avoidable.

I think you can put the made 3 and missed 3 on microscope. 90% of the made 3 from both team is in rhythm. That means under certain situation, the three ball doesn't go down at good dime. You have to make sure that the opponents' threes are out of rhythm and yours is in rhythm. Some of them is caused by good defense. Some is caused by poor fundamentals - not prepared well for a shot.

I think Lively plays very well and provide the team a big boost, except the missed dunks and losing rebounding battles against their guards. Rebounding is mostly about positioning and blocking out. Boston guards do very well, especially Holiday. I hope Lively can get in the right position early and grab more boards. Some of those missed rebound turns into fast breaks opportunities for Boston. However, in terms of guarding the perimeter, Lively is getting significantly better compared with last couple of series. Gafford is matching up well against Boston. Without KP, Boston has no answer to Gafford. The Mavs should take more advantages of that.

Is PJ hurt? In a situation like that, the Mavs need PJ to contribute more to the plus-minus. And in the offseason, go find a taller frontcourt piece to help things out. When the big is out, the paint is still somewhat miserable. Learning to take a charge is also work. Back in the day with Rick Carlisie, the Mavs play amazing defense with Blair, Harris and Barea together in a super small lineup. The difference is made up by taking charge.

One thing I think it is right - if you can dunk, don't attempt a layup. If defenders come, make sure that they get a foul. Overall, it's a competitive game. Should there be a made 3 by PJ or missed 3 by Write, the result is way different. I think Kyrie should look for 3 foul shots against Horford instead of taking a tough 3. Horford likely won't get another opportunity to win all. So Horford should be desperate. Kyrie should be able to take advantage of that in Bargnani or Reggie Miller manner.
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Post#156 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 2:20 pm

Archx wrote:
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With the way things are going, probably not. He'll need a lot of time to regenerate and heal. And those games plus the tournament are coming very fast. I would be VERY surprised if he plays in the Olympics, even if our team somehow manages to get there.


He will play 100%, he already told it.

And no, he is not so injuried and "can barely moving".
He has some injuries like a lot of players in PO and probably he is tired because his condition isn't at the top.

But he played very well in G2 and trash tonight. This.


If you need to take injections for the pain, you are injured :D Sprained knee also didn't magically heal through the playoffs. These injuries take time to properly heal. I mean, sure he can play but he's probably more of a hindrance at this point than an asset. I he can't move his feet on defense, there is no point. Slovenia won't win vs Greece anyway, they're simply too strong.


Yes of course but it's from first round of PO that he is injuried or fat in one game and the best player in the world the day after... I'm sick and tired about that narrative honestly :lol:
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Post#157 » by Darren » Thu Jun 13, 2024 2:24 pm

In a long run, you need two shotblockers on court at the same time. If PJ is playing 3, the Mavs has better chances of defending well. In the upcoming season with Webayama, Chet, KP...you has better be able to space the floor and put the ball on the floor. Otherwise, it is difficult to execute some kinds of game plans.
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Post#158 » by tleikheen » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:02 pm

Luka has been pounding the air out of the ball hunting for his own shots and in 3 Finals games has 18 assists and 15 Turnovers from your primary ball handler and yet his supporting cast gets blamed for not being good enough.
How do you get rhythm watching Luka bounce the ball while they stand stationary at the 3 pt line .There's no ball movement or player movement in the Mavs offense ,possession after possession.
Defending Luka and giving him all the credit for even being in the playoffs ,then defending him when he plays one man basketball in the Finals and getting trashed by the media who sees him half assing it on defense and making his team mates play 4 on 5 down court can't be unseen.
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Post#159 » by Bob8 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:22 pm

tleikheen wrote:Luka has been pounding the air out of the ball hunting for his own shots and in 3 Finals games has 18 assists and 15 Turnovers from your primary ball handler and yet his supporting cast gets blamed for not being good enough.
How do you get rhythm watching Luka bounce the ball while they stand stationary at the 3 pt line .There's no ball movement or player movement in the Mavs offense ,possession after possession.
Defending Luka and giving him all the credit for even being in the playoffs ,then defending him when he plays one man basketball in the Finals and getting trashed by the media who sees him half assing it on defense and making his team mates play 4 on 5 down court can't be unseen.


It will be very difficult for you to watch him next 5 years in Dallas, I recommend you to change the team, because Mavs are not trading him in near future and they for sure won't change much the way they play. Maybe you can become Celtics fan before Saturday, enjoy the title and trash Luka in GB. ;)
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Post#160 » by tleikheen » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:27 pm

It will be very difficult for you to watch him next 5 years in Dallas, I recommend you to change the team, because Mavs are not trading him in near future and they for sure won't change much the way they play.


Your ignorance is overwhelming ,.... i have not seen anyone talking about trading him ,but when you have a bad Finals and are getting trashed by the media then you got to go back to the drawing board to see why when you're the best player in the Finals but didn't play like it.

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