Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft

[ATLTimekeeper]

Brown + 19 to Sac for Barnes + 13. Sac escapes the Barnes contract and holds onto Brown as an expiring in a big deadline deal swing.

This one could work.

I don’t know why SAC does it? Barnes is a solid starter who defends and hits 3s. He makes around $18m a season. He’s more valuable than Brown so SAC, a team that wants to make the playoffs, trades for a worse player and they move down in the draft? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Brown was a 6th man on a contender just a year ago and had a key role on Indiana before he was traded here. He can play a big role on a competitive team. The Kings do it because of what I outlined. They have an expiring to go fishing at the deadline, if they want, whereas Barnes' deal at his age is more prohibitive.

[God Squad]

Then we practically traded Siakam and Poeltl for the 9th pick loll.

Well you traded Pascal's arm. a portion of Pascal

Let's agree with torso since the 19th pick will probably be the biggest part of the Siakam trade. Still TBD though lol

How? The 2026 pick from the Pacers (top 1-4 protected) looks hella juicy. There is some sneaky potential with that pick to raise this team's ceiling.

But it's all theoretical at this point.

[islandboy53]

This one could work.

I don’t know why SAC does it? Barnes is a solid starter who defends and hits 3s. He makes around $18m a season. He’s more valuable than Brown so SAC, a team that wants to make the playoffs, trades for a worse player and they move down in the draft? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Brown was a 6th man on a contender just a year ago and had a key role on Indiana before he was traded here. He can play a big role on a competitive team. The Kings do it because of what I outlined. They have an expiring to go fishing at the deadline, if they want, whereas Barnes' deal at his age is more prohibitive.

I like Brown to the KIngs for the reasons you've mentioned. However, they have to work with the tax line in mind, so any move has to be at least salary neutral for them, even if Monk leaves. at the same time, I think Barnes is more valuable to them than Huerter, so I see the preferred move being Brown & 19 for Huerter, Vezenkov and 13. This saves them about $2 million under the tax, and creates a $6.5 million TPE. It also folds the cost of moving Vezenkov, which they're virtually certain to do, into acquiring Brown. On Toronto's side, Vezenkov is expiring, and may be more useful than Boucher or McDaniels, and Huerter should be moveable for other assets.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I don’t know why SAC does it? Barnes is a solid starter who defends and hits 3s. He makes around $18m a season. He’s more valuable than Brown so SAC, a team that wants to make the playoffs, trades for a worse player and they move down in the draft? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Brown was a 6th man on a contender just a year ago and had a key role on Indiana before he was traded here. He can play a big role on a competitive team. The Kings do it because of what I outlined. They have an expiring to go fishing at the deadline, if they want, whereas Barnes' deal at his age is more prohibitive.

I like Brown to the KIngs for the reasons you've mentioned. However, they have to work with the tax line in mind, so any move has to be at least salary neutral for them, even if Monk leaves. at the same time, I think Barnes is more valuable to them than Huerter, so I see the preferred move being Brown & 19 for Huerter, Vezenkov and 13. This saves them about $2 million under the tax, and creates a $6.5 million TPE. It also folds the cost of moving Vezenkov, which they're virtually certain to do, into acquiring Brown. On Toronto's side, Vezenkov is expiring, and may be more useful than Boucher or McDaniels, and Huerter should be moveable for other assets.

That makes sense as well (and is better for Toronto).

[WuTang_CMB]

The Kings/Tor deal makes a lot of sense if Toronto's guy is there at 13. I mean, Brown is still a playoff rotation guy and you are getting him to move back 6 spots in a weaker lottery draft. On paper, he will do wonders next to Fox/Sabonis in a high octane offense. You dump Vezenkov which they need to. It's a matter if Toronto has an appetite to just move up rather than getting another pick for Bruce.

[MiamiSPX]

I don’t know why SAC does it? Barnes is a solid starter who defends and hits 3s. He makes around $18m a season. He’s more valuable than Brown so SAC, a team that wants to make the playoffs, trades for a worse player and they move down in the draft? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Brown was a 6th man on a contender just a year ago and had a key role on Indiana before he was traded here. He can play a big role on a competitive team. The Kings do it because of what I outlined. They have an expiring to go fishing at the deadline, if they want, whereas Barnes' deal at his age is more prohibitive.

I like Brown to the KIngs for the reasons you've mentioned. However, they have to work with the tax line in mind, so any move has to be at least salary neutral for them, even if Monk leaves. at the same time, I think Barnes is more valuable to them than Huerter, so I see the preferred move being Brown & 19 for Huerter, Vezenkov and 13. This saves them about $2 million under the tax, and creates a $6.5 million TPE. It also folds the cost of moving Vezenkov, which they're virtually certain to do, into acquiring Brown. On Toronto's side, Vezenkov is expiring, and may be more useful than Boucher or McDaniels, and Huerter should be moveable for other assets.

I've suggested this as well (w/o Vezenkov). I could see the Raps being interested in Huerter to see if he can get back to what he was. His age fits the timeline too, and his salary isn't that bad to eventually trade if they decide to move off of him. I also know SAC is down on him (with good reason), while they love Barnes, who is a solid pro.

[ConSarnit]

This one could work.

I don’t know why SAC does it? Barnes is a solid starter who defends and hits 3s. He makes around $18m a season. He’s more valuable than Brown so SAC, a team that wants to make the playoffs, trades for a worse player and they move down in the draft? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Brown was a 6th man on a contender just a year ago and had a key role on Indiana before he was traded here. He can play a big role on a competitive team. The Kings do it because of what I outlined. They have an expiring to go fishing at the deadline, if they want, whereas Barnes' deal at his age is more prohibitive.

But Barnes can also play a big role on a competitive team. He’s as good of a defender as Brown and a better shooter. He also fills a more needed role on SAC than Brown would as Sabonis benefits from Barnes shooting. I’d wager most teams would rather have Barnes over Brown. If SAC needs to save money they can get rid of Vezenkov (or Duerte) and still have room to re-sign Monk. That keeps them under the tax, retains the 13th pick, and allows them to keep the better fitting player in Barnes. I don’t know why SAC is using Barnes (a solid player) to get off money or downgrade their draft pick when they have other easier avenues to do so.

[Dyehardrapsfan]

Dream scenario: raps move up and keep 19th pick.

Draft McCain , 19th pick Eddy or Ware.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Dream scenario: raps move up and keep 19th pick.

Draft McCain , 19th pick Eddy or Ware.

your dream.. my nightmare

[Landomar]

I like Brown to the KIngs for the reasons you've mentioned. However, they have to work with the tax line in mind, so any move has to be at least salary neutral for them, even if Monk leaves. at the same time, I think Barnes is more valuable to them than Huerter, so I see the preferred move being Brown & 19 for Huerter, Vezenkov and 13. This saves them about $2 million under the tax, and creates a $6.5 million TPE. It also folds the cost of moving Vezenkov, which they're virtually certain to do, into acquiring Brown. On Toronto's side, Vezenkov is expiring, and may be more useful than Boucher or McDaniels, and Huerter should be moveable for other assets.

This is a really good trade I think. I would rather have Huerter than Brown. I don't mind trying out Vezenkov for a year. It also is very enticing to move up enough spots in the draft that we might get Jared McCain or someone else who wouldn't be there at 19. Sacramento does this for salary cap reasons, and because they might prefer Brown to Huerter. We can also take Chris Duarte as a salary dump in this trade if they want him gone too, which I think they would.

Quickley / *McCain / Freeman-Liberty
Huerter / Dick / Duarte
Barrett / Agbaji / McDaniels
Barnes / *Mogbo / Vezenkov
Poeltl / Olynyk / Boucher

Example Draft: McCain (13), Mogbo (31)

[mtcan]

Dream scenario: raps move up and keep 19th pick.

Draft McCain , 19th pick Eddy or Ware.

I'm in for the call: "McCain feeds Dick...ooohh so deep and delicious!"

[Tor_Raps]

Well you traded Pascal's arm. a portion of Pascal

Let's agree with torso since the 19th pick will probably be the biggest part of the Siakam trade. Still TBD though lol

How? The 2026 pick from the Pacers (top 1-4 protected) looks hella juicy. There is some sneaky potential with that pick to raise this team's ceiling.

But it's all theoretical at this point.

Because the Pacers have a bunch of young talent that's only getting better. Somehow people think only the Raptors will have young talent that improves while a deep ass team filled with young talent will go backwards lol. They are where we hope to be in 2/3 years.

[agkagk]

Spoiler warning:

Masai’s annual fishing for information trip has begun!

[youreachiteach]

The trade with the Kings is a financial trade--Barnes is 32 already and declining rapidly. Yes, he'd help as a defender but they've been trying to trade him for an upgrade for years and there are 2 more years left in his contract. With Grady in tow, why would we take Huerter? We don't need more poor defenders just because we might lose Gary--Huerter is worse than Gary because of his defensive weaknesses (at least Gary tries). The Lakers have been trying to trade for him for years (we may do a sign and trade with them).

My trade is:
Barnes
Vezenkov
#13
for

Bruce Brown
#31

We are helping them get off a lot of money for one pick (this is why I am not giving them 19). Barnes is a starter but on the grade of Jakob at best (ie., I don't know what his trade value is, but it's low). This draft is flat anyway, further devaluing their pick anyway.

[islandboy53]

The trade with the Kings is a financial trade--Barnes is 32 already and declining rapidly. Yes, he'd help as a defender but they've been trying to trade him for an upgrade for years and there are 2 more years left in his contract. With Grady in tow, why would we take Huerter? We don't need more poor defenders just because we might lose Gary--Huerter is worse than Gary because of his defensive weaknesses (at least Gary tries). The Lakers have been trying to trade for him for years (we may do a sign and trade with them).

My trade is:
Barnes
Vezenkov
#13
for

Bruce Brown
#31

We are helping them get off a lot of money for one pick (this is why I am not giving them 19). Barnes is a starter but on the grade of Jakob at best (ie., I don't know what his trade value is, but it's low). This draft is flat anyway, further devaluing their pick anyway.

I have no objection to replacing Barnes for Huerter. I don't see either one staying beyond the trade deadline anyway, with their main value lying in what they can bring back. Replacing 19 with 31 also works for me, and saves the Kings another couple million in room. If they're happy with this, that's great.

Brown for Vezenkov, a jump up in the draft, and whatever we get back for Barnes or Huerter keeps adding value to the Siakam trade.

[ItsDanger]

Only time I recall this franchise maneuvering on draft day was moving down 1 spot to take VC instead of Jamison. Even including Denver days, don't think Masai has done this type of move before. Kind of surprising.

[OakleyDokely]

In general, most teams typically just make their own picks. Very rarely are top picks traded. There are always a lot of rumours for every team, but most of it amounts to very little because teams typically overvalue what they have. Might see some teams move up or down a spot or two, but I don't expect anything dramatic.

[agkagk]

Only time I recall this franchise maneuvering on draft day was moving down 1 spot to take VC instead of Jamison. Even including Denver days, don't think Masai has done this type of move before. Kind of surprising.

He seemingly pretends to try to trade up every other year.

Hes fishing for information and planting seeds.

[youreachiteach]

I think the price of picks is much lower than in other drafts--and we have fairly strong flexibility and contracts that many others don't. Generally, in looking at the league, teams are often built in three ways:

Expensive high end talent+ overpaid depth
Expensive high end/level players on very expensive contracts+ Cheap filler and or minimum contracts
Very cheap high end young talent with no way to match salary with a lot of picks

In essence, there are either cheap contracts that are insanely valuable or high end talent which rarely moves. None of these are getting traded.

Neither of those building models allow much for trades, despite their value in other ways. BC was not a great GM, but one thing he did teach Masai was that contracts on stable value (as the cap rises) assist you in trading with other franchises and keeping a clean cap. On a team that doesn't get much in free agency, this is really almost a necessity.

[Dalek]

Darko emphasized the drafts after 2024 as the ones Toronto has interest in. So, at some point we need to consider bottoming out without alienating the entire fanbase. Zach Edey could provide enough interest for average fans to watch the Raptors during a down year. It will be rough but worth giving him the opportunity to play to see if he can .

The best way to position us for one of Cooper Flagg or Ace Bailey or Nolan Traore is to part ways with Jakob Poeltl. He doesn't make Toronto contenders, but he does make us a stronger defensive team that equates to unnecessary wins. I'd be afraid of us threatening for a play-in spot.

Now, Toronto could roll the dice and hope Edey falls to them at 19 or they can make a trade to move up and package Poeltl with 19 and 31 like Vecenie proposed. Now it may seem like a reach, but we know that Portland, Utah and LA all have had him in and have some level of interest and all have higher picks than Toronto.

Is Poeltl worth more than a 9 pick? If you want to win now, probably yes, but no one can see him as a long-term option in Toronto given his age and offensive limitations. Does it look bad when we gave up so much to acquire him? Absolutely, but now is the time to undue past mistakes.

Toronto saves money long-term, you stay bottom five bad and you develop a young Canadian player. A guy like Kennard coming back is good because he has a team option for next season so we can just walk away from the money like Bruce Brown if we wanted to. Both guys could be tradeable even right before the start of the 2024 offseason. You keep them, they are both good vets that have zero impact on winning but are good culture guys.