2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

It would've been nice to retain the lotto pick to pick Cody Williams, fits in nicely:

Quickley
Barrett
Williams
Barnes
Missi

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[OakleyDokely]

Nbadraft.net is a crack pipe of a mock draft. Probably still shows Raps with a late first.

Their mock actually isn't bad, except for Topic, Dillingham sliding so far down.

Topic and Dillingham don’t have green room invitation.

It's possible. Nobody thought Whitmore would slide into the 20s. If a bunch of teams aren't certain about a players health or size or personality, a player could fall.

[Rapsfan07]

Salaun is basically a lottery ticket. Maybe there's something there, maybe he doesn't go beyond one NBA contract like Sekou Doumbouya. I don't see what NBA skills he has currently that would get him on the court. He's probably a guy who needs 1-2 years in the gleague before stepping on a NBA court.

Correct. I've been hurting my head trying to find out what it is that people like about him so much when there really isn't anything he does well enough that would for sure get him on the court.

When I am evaluating, I try see what skill a player possesses that could potentially get him minutes right away. I don't see that with Salaun.

[Rapsfan07]

Does anybody "NOT" like Devin Carter as a prospect? You can question the ceiling, but I see no chance that he busts.

I have him as the most sure thing in this draft. I don't see a star there but I do think we could be looking at a Derrick White type, which is excellent value in any lottery, irrespective of the year.

[TheDunc]

Salaun is basically a lottery ticket. Maybe there's something there, maybe he doesn't go beyond one NBA contract like Sekou Doumbouya. I don't see what NBA skills he has currently that would get him on the court. He's probably a guy who needs 1-2 years in the gleague before stepping on a NBA court.

Correct. I've been hurting my head trying to find out what it is that people like about him so much when there really isn't anything he does well enough that would for sure get him on the court.

When I am evaluating, I try see what skill a player possesses that could potentially get him minutes right away. I don't see that with Salaun.

To me its pretty simple, if he was a better athlete then i would be all over his raw potential but hes not so since hes not à great athlete or have great skills id pass or draft him second round. If he was a freak athlete then i could easily get behind him

[Dalek]

What is it about former George Mason players that used to play for Kim English? We have worked out Tyler Kolek, Josh Oduro and Devonte "Ticket" Gaines. Gaines and Oduro both transferred to Providence to play under English there. He is only a 35 year-old coach and I think he is someone to watch because his players love him and he has talent to develop guys. I would not be surprised if in a couple years he is coaching in the NBA.

I am diving into Ticket Gaines film and background and he is a player that goes beyond numbers. Can be a streaky shooter, but he despite a skinny frame he really scraps hard for boards and defends. Reminds me a lot of Corey Brewer during his Florida time with more shooting. He has had multiple triple doubles, double-doubles in his career despite looking like he is 185 lbs. Just an amazing hustling basketball player who contributes to winning. His brother was shot and severely injured in 2022 and I can only imagine how it impacted Ticket. He just is a tough dude.

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I already am a big fan of Josh Oduro as a two-way candidate - he is at the top of my list for undrafted guys because you want find a better low post passer and scorer. Just a physical beast with some defensive chops.

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Kolek is my top target at 19. Maybe bringing in Oduro and Ticket were to further pick their brains on Kolek. I think Kolek has to be high on our board if we are thinking about a back-up PG.

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[billy_hoyle]

Salaun is basically a lottery ticket. Maybe there's something there, maybe he doesn't go beyond one NBA contract like Sekou Doumbouya. I don't see what NBA skills he has currently that would get him on the court. He's probably a guy who needs 1-2 years in the gleague before stepping on a NBA court.

Correct. I've been hurting my head trying to find out what it is that people like about him so much when there really isn't anything he does well enough that would for sure get him on the court.

When I am evaluating, I try see what skill a player possesses that could potentially get him minutes right away. I don't see that with Salaun.

To me its pretty simple, if he was a better athlete then i would be all over his raw potential but hes not so since hes not à great athlete or have great skills id pass or draft him second round. If he was a freak athlete then i could easily get behind him

When you say freak athlete, you mean bouncy explosion right?

I think the appeal with Salaun is he looks like a powerful build (like Scottie), and has shown flashes of shooting stroke. Once he fills out, and learns how to use his body, he might be a very impactful player.

[Indeed]

In Vecenie's latest mock 4.0 he has Raptors dealing Poetl, 19 and 31 for 9 and Luke Kennard. Then he has Raptors taking Salaun ahead of Cody Williams at 9. Now what makes things interesting is it reverse ratchets the so-called Poetl trade "mistake". Raptors in the end get their lotto pick this year and most certainly next year. They lose one spot in the draft on paper. The Paskal trade ends up netting after thought throw ins Kira Lewis, and Jason Nwora (who may well serves us as roster spot in another rebuild and crash season). The later Paskal first turned into Olynyk and Agbaji. and still one future first remains. So the Siakam trade sees the later 2024 produce two veteran players. The higher 19 goes in with Poetl to get the lotto #9 and shooter Luke Kennard. The conditional and ultimately conveyed number 31 Detroit pick came from the OG deal stirring the entire pot and making all these assets related to one another. Take a deep breath.

What is left of the Siakam trade. Olynyk, Agbaji from the late Pacer's first, I guess Kennard for 19, whatever Brown fetches and a future Pacers first. What is left of the OG trade, IQ and RJ as 31 will not fill a roster spot rather it merges with Poetl for number 9 and theorized Tijane Salaun.

In:
1. Kelly Olynyk, 2. Ochai Agbaji, 3. Luke Kennard, 4. Brown (or trade return), 5. IQ, 6. RJ, 7. Tijane Salaun (or Cody Williams if Salaun is picked before), 8. future Pacers first.

Out:
1. Siakam - A two-time NBA All-Star and two-time All-NBA selection, he won an NBA championship with the Toronto Raptors in 2019.
2. OG Anunoby - Won an NBA championship with the Toronto Raptors in 2019 and led the league in steals while being named to his first NBA All-Defensive Team in 2023.
3. Jakob Poetl - Won the Pete Newell Big Man Award and the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award in college.
4. Otto Porter jr, - Besides being washed up with injuries he was NBA champion (2022), Consensus first-team All-American (2013),Big East Player of the Year (2013), First-team All-Big East (2013). After being traded to the Jazz announced his retirement from basketball.

Masai has to trade up.

Stopped reading Veccenie few years ago due to mock being pretty bad.
The trade isn't good neither.

Why would you diss Vecenie? He has encyclopedia knowledge of the whole league. The only part that's bad is Poetl is worth more than the #9 in this draft. Other than that it is the kind of move we must make. Kennard brings shooting so there's that. Kennard's value marginally offsets an under whelming draft edition of a 9th pick. One would assume we are using this to draft another rare gem or shot at such. An upside wing.

As I said, his mock is not close.
The analyst isn't as good as some others I read online.

[WuTang_CMB]

Ticket Gaines is the best NBA name I've heard in a while

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Edey

I wouldn’t be mad. I just need us to surround him and Scottie with shooters. If Edey pans out I’m not sure how he fits with RJ.

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Edey

I wouldn’t be mad. I just need us to surround him and Scottie with shooters. If Edey pans out I’m not sure how he fits with RJ.

I'll take it too. I think they project him to really improve on both sides of the ball. The focus is there for him

[OAKLEY_2]

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Edey

I wouldn’t be mad. I just need us to surround him and Scottie with shooters. If Edey pans out I’m not sure how he fits with RJ.

Let Team Canada figure that out.

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Edey

I wouldn’t be mad. I just need us to surround him and Scottie with shooters. If Edey pans out I’m not sure how he fits with RJ.

Let Team Canada figure that out.

Yeah, or Canada’s team.

[OAKLEY_2]

Stopped reading Veccenie few years ago due to mock being pretty bad.
The trade isn't good neither.

Why would you diss Vecenie? He has encyclopedia knowledge of the whole league. The only part that's bad is Poetl is worth more than the #9 in this draft. Other than that it is the kind of move we must make. Kennard brings shooting so there's that. Kennard's value marginally offsets an under whelming draft edition of a 9th pick. One would assume we are using this to draft another rare gem or shot at such. An upside wing.

As I said, his mock is not close.
The analyst isn't as good as some others I read online.

Ya mean like Thorpe? Sam Vecinie is very fan-like but he is one of the few that explains who works with Barnes and who doesn't.

[PhilBlackson]

Nbadraft.net is a crack pipe of a mock draft. Probably still shows Raps with a late first.

Their mock actually isn't bad, except for Topic, Dillingham sliding so far down.

Topic and Dillingham don’t have green room invitation.

I would LOVE Dillingham as a backup PG, personally I'm not that high on Topic. Firstly it's a pretty bad sign that he hasn't even reached the league and he's already struggling with injuries with his knees and the pace of play and length of season is only going to become strenuous on his joints. The other part is he doesn't have a jumper and actually seems scared to take perimeter shots, you just can't have that from the guard position but especially on a roster like ours with RJ, Scottie & Yak that would be God awful for spacing. To me he's like another Rubio or Rondo who ofc were really solid players but nothing special or franchise altering.

Rob would be perfect because he can not only be backup PG but act as that 6th man spark plug off the bench to keep the offence going at all times and tbt it wouldn't shock me if he actually became better than IQ long term as Rob is actually a better ballhandler and shoots better off the dribble and off balance, IQ really has to plant his feet and usually has quite a wide stance that he requires to get the lift he wants which all effects how long it takes for him to get his shot off.

Now ofc the only way we could draft either is to make the SAC trade to 13 and truth is, if any of the SF/PF prospects (Holland, Saluan or Williams) fall to that pick, I would take them first. If not I would easily take Dillingham or McCain before Topic personally. I'm ok with being wrong about him but I'm just not feeling him as a prospect as much as some.

[OAKLEY_2]

Edey

I wouldn’t be mad. I just need us to surround him and Scottie with shooters. If Edey pans out I’m not sure how he fits with RJ.

Let Team Canada figure that out.

Yeah, or Canada’s team.

Great idea for a jersey front and back.

[OAKLEY_2]

Their mock actually isn't bad, except for Topic, Dillingham sliding so far down.

Topic and Dillingham don’t have green room invitation.

I would LOVE Dillingham as a backup PG, personally I'm not that high on Topic. Firstly it's a pretty bad sign that he hasn't even reached the league and he's already struggling with injuries with his knees and the pace of play and length of season is only going to become strenuous on his joints. The other part is he doesn't have a jumper and actually seems scared to take perimeter shots, you just can't have that from the guard position but especially on a roster like ours with RJ, Scottie & Yak that would be God awful for spacing. To me he's like another Rubio or Rondo who ofc were really solid players but nothing special or franchise altering.

Rob would be perfect because he can not only be backup PG but act as that 6th man spark plug off the bench to keep the offence going at all times and tbt it wouldn't shock me if he actually became better than IQ long term as Rob is actually a better ballhandler and shoots better off the dribble and off balance, IQ really has to plant his feet and usually has quite a wide stance that he requires to get the lift he wants which all effects how long it takes for him to get his shot off.

Now ofc the only way we could draft either is to make the SAC trade to 13 and truth is, if any of the SF/PF prospects (Holland, Saluan or Williams) fall to that pick, I would take them first. If not I would easily take Dillingham or McCain before Topic personally. I'm ok with being wrong about him but I'm just not feeling him as a prospect as much as some.

Carter I would at 9 but only if convinced was better idea than Tijane, Cody or Zaczilla.

[Indeed]

Why would you diss Vecenie? He has encyclopedia knowledge of the whole league. The only part that's bad is Poetl is worth more than the #9 in this draft. Other than that it is the kind of move we must make. Kennard brings shooting so there's that. Kennard's value marginally offsets an under whelming draft edition of a 9th pick. One would assume we are using this to draft another rare gem or shot at such. An upside wing.

As I said, his mock is not close.
The analyst isn't as good as some others I read online.

Ya mean like Thorpe? Sam Vecinie is very fan-like but he is one of the few that explains who works with Barnes and who doesn't.

No, but the scouting report isn't right to me.
For example, he mentioned Salaum is a good defender and can switch, but from eye test and other reports, he is not quick enough to guard guards, also over rotating and ended by being beat.

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