New York Trading Up

[JayTWill]

If the Knicks attempted to trade up in this year's draft for whatever reason how high could they possibly move? They have picks 24,25, and 38.

Are there any teams that may be looking to move back in the draft? What pick would you be willing to offer for any combination of those 3 picks?

[Mamba4Goat]

If the Lakers aren’t really sold on anyone at 17, moving back to the Knicks picks could make sense. Add extra youth and it wouldn’t be as much of a reach to grab more of the high floor guys like Kolek, Dunn, Holmes, etc.that could potentially contribute right away.

[Colbinii]

It depends who is on the board.

[R-DAWG]

It depends who is on the board.

And the cost to move up as well.

If I can move up to the mid teens to grab Ja'Kobe Walter at the cost of Pick #39 and retain pick #25 in the process, that's exciting.

[Colbinii]

It depends who is on the board.

And the cost to move up as well.

If I can move up to the mid teens to grab Ja'Kobe Walter at the cost of Pick #39 and retain pick #25 in the process, that's exciting.

What?

You aren't moving up more than 1 spot with just #38.

#24 + #25 gets to like #16-19

[tacos]

It depends who is on the board.

And the cost to move up as well.

If I can move up to the mid teens to grab Ja'Kobe Walter at the cost of Pick #39 and retain pick #25 in the process, that's exciting.

What?

You aren't moving up more than 1 spot with just #38.

#24 + #25 gets to like #16-19

Exactly... the difference in value between a mid-teen prospect and a mid-20s prospect is a lot more than the almost nothing that end of the 30s draft pick is worth

[R-DAWG]

And the cost to move up as well.

If I can move up to the mid teens to grab Ja'Kobe Walter at the cost of Pick #39 and retain pick #25 in the process, that's exciting.

What?

You aren't moving up more than 1 spot with just #38.

#24 + #25 gets to like #16-19

Exactly... the difference in value between a mid-teen prospect and a mid-20s prospect is a lot more than the almost nothing that end of the 30s draft pick is worth

IDK - all I hear is how bad this draft is.

[orlando_joe]

if da silva gone as magic fan would not mind trade back for holmes and furphy ? and would give pick 47 back to ny..so 24,25 for 18 and 47...would take ny having player on the board
magic just send them to g league 2 swings for 1 hope 1 will stick on the cheap future backups for paolo and franz

[supertruck97]

What?

You aren't moving up more than 1 spot with just #38.

#24 + #25 gets to like #16-19

Exactly... the difference in value between a mid-teen prospect and a mid-20s prospect is a lot more than the almost nothing that end of the 30s draft pick is worth

IDK - all I hear is how bad this draft is.

It's a bad draft because the top few players would likely be 5-10 picks in a better draft. But the guys between 12-30 are all roughly the same as you'd find in any other draft....

[Xman]

Draft pick chart show pick value to up around #10. But, that seems too high. POR at #14 would be first attempt - hoping they want more bodies at this point.

[Xman]

Seems like there are groupings:
In top 5 - Risacher, Sarr
In top 8 - Clingan, Sheppard
In top 10 - Castle, Dillingham, Buzelis
Rounds out the top12: Saluan, Topic, Knecht, Holland, CWilliams
Maybe pops up: JWalter, DCarter, McCain or one of the bigs (Edey, Ware, Filipowski, Missi all in next tier).

[ejftw]

It depends who is on the board.

And the cost to move up as well.

If I can move up to the mid teens to grab Ja'Kobe Walter at the cost of Pick #39 and retain pick #25 in the process, that's exciting.

I mean, if Clips can turn 46 and a FSRP into the 20s for, say, Isaiah Collier, that'd be exciting too.

It just...isn't going to happen.

24/25/38 for 17/57/FSRP (or two) is more likely.

[R-DAWG]

It depends who is on the board.

And the cost to move up as well.

If I can move up to the mid teens to grab Ja'Kobe Walter at the cost of Pick #39 and retain pick #25 in the process, that's exciting.

I mean, if Clips can turn 46 and a FSRP into the 20s for, say, Isaiah Collier, that'd be exciting too.

It just...isn't going to happen.

24/25/38 for 17/57/FSRP (or two) is more likely.

1) I have seen mocks showing Walter falling to the late teens
2) 24 + 39 is much more valuable than 46 + future 2nd rd pick
3) NY has a protected WAS 1st that will likely convey as a high 2nd that should be included in these discussions as well.

[ejftw]

And the cost to move up as well.

If I can move up to the mid teens to grab Ja'Kobe Walter at the cost of Pick #39 and retain pick #25 in the process, that's exciting.

I mean, if Clips can turn 46 and a FSRP into the 20s for, say, Isaiah Collier, that'd be exciting too.

It just...isn't going to happen.

24/25/38 for 17/57/FSRP (or two) is more likely.

1) I have seen mocks showing Walter falling to the late teens
2) 24 + 39 is much more valuable than 46 + future 2nd rd pick
3) NY has a protected WAS 1st that will likely convey as a high 2nd that should be included in these discussions as well.

1) I said nothing in relation to the stock of JaKobe. In fact, last board I did, I think I had him around 23.
2) Sure, and a mid teens pick is more valuable than a mid 20s pick, if not late as I just said 20s with no specification.
3) A second in 2027 doesn't hold much value, at least not nearly enough to turn 24, along with 39, into a mid teens pick. Value of the Wiz pick would be if they somehow ended up in the early teens next year, but that's not a worthy gamble for any team trading for it imo..

[Colbinii]

What?

You aren't moving up more than 1 spot with just #38.

#24 + #25 gets to like #16-19

Exactly... the difference in value between a mid-teen prospect and a mid-20s prospect is a lot more than the almost nothing that end of the 30s draft pick is worth

IDK - all I hear is how bad this draft is.

Okay, why does that matter here though?

Do you think #1 and #60 have the same value?

[Colbinii]

Exactly... the difference in value between a mid-teen prospect and a mid-20s prospect is a lot more than the almost nothing that end of the 30s draft pick is worth

IDK - all I hear is how bad this draft is.

It's a bad draft because the top few players would likely be 5-10 picks in a better draft. But the guys between 12-30 are all roughly the same as you'd find in any other draft....

Ding ding ding

[theBigLip]

Detroit will give you #5 for #24,#25 and the future first that may never convey.

Details of that pick:

2025 first round draft pick to New York
Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

[babyjax13]

Detroit will give you #5 for #24,#25 and the future first that may never convey.

Details of that pick:

2025 first round draft pick to New York
Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

You are all over the place on the value of this pick Detroit could do a lot better than this. Even something like 5 for 12 + a future first from OKC would be better.

[R-DAWG]

I mean, if Clips can turn 46 and a FSRP into the 20s for, say, Isaiah Collier, that'd be exciting too.

It just...isn't going to happen.

24/25/38 for 17/57/FSRP (or two) is more likely.

1) I have seen mocks showing Walter falling to the late teens
2) 24 + 39 is much more valuable than 46 + future 2nd rd pick
3) NY has a protected WAS 1st that will likely convey as a high 2nd that should be included in these discussions as well.

1) I said nothing in relation to the stock of JaKobe. In fact, last board I did, I think I had him around 23.
2) Sure, and a mid teens pick is more valuable than a mid 20s pick, if not late as I just said 20s with no specification.
3) A second in 2027 doesn't hold much value, at least not nearly enough to turn 24, along with 39, into a mid teens pick. Value of the Wiz pick would be if they somehow ended up in the early teens next year, but that's not a worthy gamble for any team trading for it imo..

Number 2 is not necessarily true. The salary slot in the mid to late teens is higher than that of a mid 20's pick. So a team with payroll concerns as it relates to apon's, ect who isn't in love with a player at their slot might prioritize a lower salary slot

Remember, in 2021, the Knicks traded the 19th pick in the draft for a heavily protected future 1st (that will convey as 2 2nds) because they didn't love what was available at that slot and needed the use of the salary cap space elsewhere.

[JayTWill]

Detroit will give you #5 for #24,#25 and the future first that may never convey.

Details of that pick:

2025 first round draft pick to New York
Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

I have actually been trying to figure out ways for the Knicks to move up to the #5 pick using the future protected first from Detroit.
The Pistons are basically in the same position the Rockets have been in adding a ton of youth but not developing in the way they were expected to. The Rockets added some veteran talent last off-season along with a new coach to turn things around but in the process they forfeited the #12 pick to OKC this year since it fell outside of the protections.

I feel Detroit should start to add some veteran talent around these young players and hopefully in the process get out of the basement of the league. I could see the protected pick falling in the 10-16 range in the next 3 years unless the Pistons plan to be in the bottom 9 teams all the way through 2027 which may be a terrible idea for how long the team has been bad.

I like the idea of adding some size and defense to the Knicks backcourt. If Castle is there at 5 I would love to move up and gamble on his development on the offensive end with the hope that he could be a positive defender at the 1 and 2 next to Brunson and the Knicks' other small guards until then.

Edit - I also like the idea of the Knick's possibly moving off of Robinson's contract and replacing him with someone cheaper and hopefully healthier like Goga if they believe they can re-sign iHart for the starting center role. I would be willing to add him with some combination of other assets to move up and free up some money and create some financial flexibility this year.