The Official 2024 Offseason Thread

[garrick]

Need to really trade one of Booker or Beal. Cannot have 3 jump shooting stars.

The third star should be comfortable playing 3rd fiddle and contributing at an elite level defensively or controlling the offense structure.

Hence I think Beal for Ben Simmons makes sense. Then sign Lowry or CP3 as bench PG. Simmons as the 3rd star who focuses on defense and getting his all round game. Lowry or CP3 as the high IQ player to set the team up.

Trade Nurkic for an athletic big who would challenge shots and catch lobs.

Those moves would fix the Suns jam and improve chemistry.

Delete this.

Ben Simmons doesn't even play basketball.

Addition by subtraction... my man got rid of Brad Beal and 150mil in salary.

Simmons is an expiring but the Nets will need to match salaries and throw in additional players to make it work but no I think they are done taking on overpriced vets who can never stay healthy.

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Need to really trade one of Booker or Beal. Cannot have 3 jump shooting stars.

The third star should be comfortable playing 3rd fiddle and contributing at an elite level defensively or controlling the offense structure.

Hence I think Beal for Ben Simmons makes sense. Then sign Lowry or CP3 as bench PG. Simmons as the 3rd star who focuses on defense and getting his all round game. Lowry or CP3 as the high IQ player to set the team up.

Trade Nurkic for an athletic big who would challenge shots and catch lobs.

Those moves would fix the Suns jam and improve chemistry.

With our ELITE offensive capabilities between the big three already, we may not even need another star-level option to fulfill this role. It's my personal belief that we're now at a stage in our evolution to where we need to seriously be identifying and aggressively targeting the top-level/ elite high-end defenders that we can get our hands on that can support our 3 offensive stars in a low usage capacity that won't require the big three to give up the ball in order for these defensive players to be effective. these defensive specialists will b defensive playmakers and defensive connectors that will more perfectly balance out our roster with their lockdown defensive capabilities. Any additional offensive production would be a bonus to what they'd provide in terms of defensive impact!

And it just so happens that there are two absolutely elite lockdown defensive prospects in this draft at two key positions of critical need for us that'd provide cost-controlled suffocating defensive pressure at their respective positions. They would also simultaneously be adding size and high-end athleticism, energy, and motor to our team due to their unique attributes. These two prospects in this draft are both low-usage utility players with elite defensive attributes/ ceilings that can help our team elevate our competitive trajectory significantly at a controlled cost contractually and without taking the ball out of any of Kds, Bookers, or Beal's hands. The prospects I'm speaking of specifically are:

1- Yves Missi.
2- Ryan Dunn.

Now a lot of concerns are voiced due to their significant lack of offensive ability currently. But what I can tell you with great confidence is that BOTH will very likely offer game-changing 1st team all defensive-level impact on that side of the floor while additionally adding size and explosive athleticism and versatility to our roster as well. In this respect, these prospects can reliably add significant impact right from the jump in a contributory manner. And any additional offensive development during this time will be excess value scalation for us creating significantly desirable cost-controlled trade assets too. Again, This fit with these players despite their offensive limitations is still ideal because our team is uniquely very strong offensively already, and our offensive potency would easily cover for those limitations to a large degree. Allowing these two prospects to fully excel in their elite supplemental roles for us. Now I'm not sure if any team has had two very elite defensive options bolstering three elite offensive weapons, but we could field that IF we choose to acquire Missi and Dunn.

We address multiple weaknesses from adding these two players, and then we can further fill out our last two critical needs for a playmaking floor general point guard and their point shooting socialist from the 2nd to undrafted pools, and in free agency too. Adding high-end table-setting guard options like Ajay Mitchell, Zyon Pullin, Tristan Newton, Jamal Shead, Reece Beekman, and Talon Cooper. 3 point shooting specialists like Blake Hinson, Moses Wood, Ben Humrichous, Chad Baker Mazzaro, etc from the undrafted pool, or Buddy Hield (IF he truly wants to sign here on a minimum, else wise we can look at unsigned vet names like Joe Harris, Reggie Bullock, Alec Burks, Yuta Watanabe, Doug Mcdermott, Daniel house, Joe weiskamp, etc.

[Fo-Real]

Need to really trade one of Booker or Beal. Cannot have 3 jump shooting stars.

The third star should be comfortable playing 3rd fiddle and contributing at an elite level defensively or controlling the offense structure.

Hence I think Beal for Ben Simmons makes sense. Then sign Lowry or CP3 as bench PG. Simmons as the 3rd star who focuses on defense and getting his all round game. Lowry or CP3 as the high IQ player to set the team up.

Trade Nurkic for an athletic big who would challenge shots and catch lobs.

Those moves would fix the Suns jam and improve chemistry.

They wouldn't.

[Saberestar]

Need to really trade one of Booker or Beal. Cannot have 3 jump shooting stars.

The third star should be comfortable playing 3rd fiddle and contributing at an elite level defensively or controlling the offense structure.

Hence I think Beal for Ben Simmons makes sense. Then sign Lowry or CP3 as bench PG. Simmons as the 3rd star who focuses on defense and getting his all round game. Lowry or CP3 as the high IQ player to set the team up.

Trade Nurkic for an athletic big who would challenge shots and catch lobs.

Those moves would fix the Suns jam and improve chemistry.

Delete this.

Ben Simmons doesn't even play basketball.

Exactly.

Ben Simmons is basically retired from basketball.

[RaisingArizona]

Mavs about to get swept in the Finals.

Beal and the Suns 2024 1st round pick (and maybe even the 2031 1st) for Kyrie Irving and Dante Exum. Boom, PG and backup PG issues solved.

Kyrie / Exum
Booker / EG / Okogie
G.Allen / Little
KD / Royce / Ish
Nurkic / Bol

The best I can do is just for '31.

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[bwgood77]

What ever happened after Game 2 of the Mavericks series derailed the entire culture and team. Someone probably slept with someone's wife or said some real personal things that wrecked the chemistry... because the team looked like they stopped liking each other after that game.

With all the "should of could of" threads about past pick misses and mistake we made they are all hypotheticals of what could have been. I am more interested in what actually happened in the past and we never received a satisfying answer. We did seem to be clicking as a team in that playoff run. As with all teams, there was infighting in the heat of the game but something big must have happened to DERAIL the team. I have never heard what really happened to DERAIL the team. Ever since that event we have not had a TEAM, We have had a collection of individual players and the others that defer to those individual players.

What really Happened?

I am not satisfied hearing that Ayton was a cry baby, we choked, not mature, bad coaching, etc. All that is true to some degree, but that was a massively embarrassing 180. Something big must have happened and I kept expecting an explanation/accountability and have never received it.

Something obviously happened with Paul, who was his great normal self in game 2 and then suddenly lost his midrange game and couldn't move the same way. His frustration with it resulted in him having more turnovers than assists in one of the next two games and fouling out in the other, and he hung out at the 3 pt line...then they attacked him defensively. I think something happened to his hip. They still played well in game 5 with the "Luka special" win and all that but just lost something after game 2. I think it mostly had to do with Paul's health....but I think a lot of blame may have gotten thrown around and frustration boiled too once that happened and things suddenly were not running so smoothly as they had all season.

[bwgood77]

When you are asking yourself in 2024 if Andre Drummond is the answer, you've got problems.

[sunsbg]

What happened to Suns in '22 happened to Mavs in '24. Their PG, engine of the team, got injured/old/fat and the other team took advantage.

[Calvin Klein]

When you are asking yourself in 2024 if Andre Drummond is the answer, you've got problems.

Or Iasiah Thomas, Dwight Howard, Kemba Walker, etc....

[BobbieL]

When you are asking yourself in 2024 if Andre Drummond is the answer, you've got problems.

The Suns are not in a good position. I saw some trade ideas from Kellan Olson involving Little and pick 22 - I truly do not know if any of thsoe trades made the team better. Same as the Gerald B trades with Allen. Just making a move to make a move

I think the best thing they can - -well if they are keeping Beal, Book and KD is

keep the draft pick
if you can make a deal with Nurk - thats fin
keep Allen

try to get a vet PG on the cheap
and hope Bud can do something with it

[Ghost of Kleine]

When you are asking yourself in 2024 if Andre Drummond is the answer, you've got problems.

[bwgood77]

When you are asking yourself in 2024 if Andre Drummond is the answer, you've got problems.

The aftermath of Ishbia buying the team is kinda like..

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[bullsaficianado]

The Durant trade was fine it's just that Suns gave up way to many 1st round picks to get it done. I would have only done 2 if I was Ishbia.

No way are Mavs trading Irving for Beal after they made the NBA Finals. Not a chance. Only a slight chance if Irving forces his way out which I don't see happening.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Ok, There are around 4 trades that I see (for my part) that we could pursue to get back decent depth options at areas of need AND also get back an additional pick or maybe two. If we may consider adding another pick to try and circumvent the apron restrictions, then we should absolutely try and capitalize on this draft to secure cost-controlled depth pieces/assets. And for us to meet those goals, I'm looking at these 4 potential trades that could have us moving up in the draft or simply acquiring additional depth pieces and additional picks:

#1- LA Flakers (Nurkic trade)............Move up deal!
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/-1zEFJCY9ruBHf/suns-lakers-swap
Nurkic/ PHX 2031 1st (top 4 protected) for Vincent/Wood/ 17th pick. Now we can choose to either keep the 17th pick and add it to our 22nd pick giving us two ranging picks in this draft, OR we could package the 17th pick with Littles' salary and trade it to either:
1- Utah for Kessler/Potter/29th and 32nd picks. This would give us Kessler, Woods, Potter, Vincent, 22,29, and 32nd picks.
22- Kolek.
29- Holmes.
32- Dunn.
OR
2- New York for Mcbride/Sims/ 24th and 25th picks or 24th and 38th picks/ PLUS BRK 25' 2nd.
This would give us Wood, Vincent, McBride, Sims, 22, 24, 38 OR Wood, Vincent, Sims, McBride, 22,25,38. In this scenario, We'd take the best center at 22, then Guard (Kolek) at 25, and wing at 38?
22- Missi or Edey.
24 (or 25)- Klintman or Holmes.
38- Ajay Mitchell.

#2- New York (Nurkic trade).............Additional picks!
Nurkic/PHX 2031 st (Top 4 protected) for Robinson/24th and 25th picks OR 24th and 38th picks PLUS BRK 25' 2nd. In this scenario, we'd have Robinson, 22,24,38 OR Robinson, 25, 38, BRK 25' 2nd. And you have a mobile rim-running starting center, keep the 22nd pick and use all three picks on young athletic/ skilled talent. Or we could package Littles' salary in a follow-up trade with the 24th or 25th pick to Charlotte for Nik Richards/ Amari Bailey/ 42nd pick. Giving us Robinson (starting center), Richards (backup center), and now having the 22nd, 38th, and 42nd picks to use.
22- Power Forward. Tyler Smith, DaRon Holmes, Bobi Klintman, Ulriche Comche?
38- Point Guard/ Combo Guard. Ajay Mitchell, Zyon Pullin, or Cam Spencer?
42- Small Forward. Keshad Johnson, or Jalen Bridges?

#3-San Antonio Spurs (Nurkic trade).............Move up deal!
Nurkic/PHX 2031 1st for Collins/8th pick. OR Nurkic/PHX 2031 st (top 4 protected) for Collins/35th and 48th picks PLUS CHI 25' 2nd/ NOP 25' 2nd. This trade would give us EITHER a higher pick in the draft if we could pull the 8th pick for Nurk and our premium 2031 1st. OR we'd alternatively get Collins (to play Power Forward), and still keep our 22nd pick while adding two 2nds in this draft and two 2nds in next year's loaded draft!
8- Trade back for more assets and a premium vet perhaps? Or stay and pick BPA available.
OR
22, 35, 48.
22- Missi, Ware, or Edey.
35- Dunn or Comche.
48- Johnson or Bridges.
** Undrafted two-way- Blake Hinson, Jaylen Wells, or Moses Wood (Knockdown shooting specialists).


#4-Memphis .......................Additional picks!
Nurkic/PHX 2031 st (top 4 protected) for Clarke/ Rose/ 9th pick.
9- BPA (center)?? Otherwise, trade the 9 back to either New York or Utah for players/picks??
22- Dunn or Klintman.
OR
Nurkic/ PHX 2031 1st for Zhaire Williams/Aldama/Rose/ 39th and 58th picks/ MEM 25' 1st (top 7 protected).
22- Best center option.
39- Ulriche Comche or Oso Ighodaro.
58- Zyon Pullin, Cam Spencer, or Tristin Newton.

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Valley Suns G League expansion draft results

- Garrison Brooks (Westchester Knicks)
- Chaundee Brown Jr. (South Bay Lakers)
- Gary Clark (Salt Lake City Stars)
- Matt Lewis (Westchester Knicks)
- Didi Louzada (Cleveland Charge)
- Theo Maledon (Sioux Falls Skyforce)
- Emmanuel Mudiay (Iowa Wolves)
- Mychal Mulder (Capital City Go-Go)
- Jahlil Okafor (Delaware Blue Coats)
- Justin Smith (Delaware Blue Coats)
- Denzel Valentine (Raptors 905)
- Quinndary Weatherspoon (South Bay Lakers)
- Lindell Wigginton (Cleveland Charge)
- Trevion Williams (Sioux Falls Skyforce)

[dremill24]

The Durant trade was fine it's just that Suns gave up way to many 1st round picks to get it done. I would have only done 2 if I was Ishbia.

No way are Mavs trading Irving for Beal after they made the NBA Finals. Not a chance. Only a slight chance if Irving forces his way out which I don't see happening.

Sooo it wasnt fine..?

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Here’s Why Tristan Da Silva or Jaylon Tyson Could Be Suns Answer At Wing

Honestly! not sure how these guys could think players like De Silva or Tyson could be our answer at wing when we need lockdown defense on the perimeter! Unless they're somehow expecting to have our big three to take less shots to give rookie players shot attempts over them which clearly won't happen! We need utility players with elite translatable skillsets that can play off of our big three and insulate them rather than prospects who'll need the ball in their hands to be effective/successful. Complimentary players with elite skillsets are our priority for now.