Spurs | Blazers

[Myth]

Counter proposal
7, 14, Brogdon
for
4, 48, Devonte Graham

Blazers should not be using 7 and 14 to move up to 4 in this draft.

Well everyone knows there are five tiers in this draft:

1-4
5-8
9-35
36-48
and 49-59

So if you're trying to jump up a whole tier, you've gotta be willing to include a second lottery pick. It only makes sense.

I have not heard this definitive tier list and I’ve been taking in hours of draft info daily The past couple weeks. Could you clarify for me who the top 4 tier clearly is?

[Tim Lehrbach]

Blazers should not be using 7 and 14 to move up to 4 in this draft.

Well everyone knows there are five tiers in this draft:

1-4
5-8
9-35
36-48
and 49-59

So if you're trying to jump up a whole tier, you've gotta be willing to include a second lottery pick. It only makes sense.

I have not heard this definitive tier list and I’ve been taking in hours of draft info daily The past couple weeks. Could you clarify for me who the top 4 tier clearly is?

Look at which picks the Spurs own this year, and then laugh at the joke.

[Myth]

Well everyone knows there are five tiers in this draft:

1-4
5-8
9-35
36-48
and 49-59

So if you're trying to jump up a whole tier, you've gotta be willing to include a second lottery pick. It only makes sense.

I have not heard this definitive tier list and I’ve been taking in hours of draft info daily The past couple weeks. Could you clarify for me who the top 4 tier clearly is?

Look at which picks the Spurs own this year, and then laugh at the joke.

Thank you for pointing out what was clearly over my head.

[Norm2953]

It might be more interesting if Portland offered Simons +14 for 8

This assumes Portland knows Clingan will be there at 7 and there is another player the team feels they
need at 8, who won't get to 14. That player will come from Holland, Knecht, Williams or Salaun.

From the Spurs POV, they get Simons on the last 2 years of his current deal and pick a player like Topic
who they would have picked at 8, at 14.

[Chinook]

I have not heard this definitive tier list and I’ve been taking in hours of draft info daily The past couple weeks. Could you clarify for me who the top 4 tier clearly is?

Look at which picks the Spurs own this year, and then laugh at the joke.

Thank you for pointing out what was clearly over my head.

If we're real-talking, I don't think this draft has traditional tiers. Sure, Sarr and Risacher are very likely to be 1 and 2, but I don't necessarily believe that all teams agree that those are the best prospects at their positions. I personally still really like Holland and Dillingham and would be fine with the Spurs taking either at 4. But others think they'd both be around well past 8. Collier might be the best PG in the draft or fall out of the lottery. It's that murkiness that makes me want the Spurs to stay at 4 and 8, because I think they will be able to use that murkiness to snag players near the top of their board, and their roster is such where every position is draftable.

[One_and_Done]

Horrific for SA. Would they even want Brogdon for free given their situation?

[wemby]

Does Brogdon, 14, 34, and 40 for Devonte Graham and #8 get any close? Drops Portland below the tax, upgrades SA point guard, and keeps the Spurs FA money partially available.

Counter proposal
7, 14, Brogdon
for
4, 48, Devonte Graham

On paper it's fair, but If the Spurs have a chance to grab Risacher or Castle at 4, I wouldn't trade down. If both are gone, I'd do that.
You can also remove Brogdon if that's a contentious point, the basic framework would be 4 for 7 and 14, provided the Spurs can't get their target at 4 but Blazers could.

[wemby]

I have not heard this definitive tier list and I’ve been taking in hours of draft info daily The past couple weeks. Could you clarify for me who the top 4 tier clearly is?

I don't know about "tiers" per se, but Spurs are rumored to be high on Risacher and Castle, and those 2 won't be there if the Spurs trade down from 4, so personally I'd only trade down if both of them are gone.
Similarly, you're bound to find good wings and guards at 8 (like some of Sheppard, Matas Buzelis, Cody Williams, etc.), so a move down fom 8 may also imply changing a lot of your primary targets. There's a reason plenty of teams are said to be looking to trade into the top 10.

[wemby]

It might be more interesting if Portland offered Simons +14 for 8

This assumes Portland knows Clingan will be there at 7 and there is another player the team feels they
need at 8, who won't get to 14. That player will come from Holland, Knecht, Williams or Salaun.

From the Spurs POV, they get Simons on the last 2 years of his current deal and pick a player like Topic
who they would have picked at 8, at 14.

I think this is very tempting, but it's probably a move that only happens on draft night if the Blazers absolutely love someone who fell to 8 and won't be there at 14. Maybe it's Clingan, Buzelis, Cody Williams, Salaun, or whomever, but I don't see them giving up Simons to move up from 14 to 8 unless they're getting someone they really like.

[Myth]

I have not heard this definitive tier list and I’ve been taking in hours of draft info daily The past couple weeks. Could you clarify for me who the top 4 tier clearly is?

I don't know about "tiers" per se, but Spurs are rumored to be high on Risacher and Castle, and those 2 won't be there if the Spurs trade down from 4, so personally I'd only trade down if both of them are gone.
Similarly, you're bound to find good wings and guards at 8 (like some of Sheppard, Matas Buzelis, Cody Williams, etc.), so a move down fom 8 may also imply changing a lot of your primary targets. There's a reason plenty of teams are said to be looking to trade into the top 10.

I think there is a difference between a team target and a tier though. Risacher at 4 would be considered him dropping in the draft as most consider him top 2, and Castle for Spurs is more about team needs. But once we are talking the glut of wings, give me 2 of them easily over 1 preferred unless the team is very convinced that 1 has separated himself from the others. I’d like to see Portland use other assets to move up and get their choice (like an expendable vet with 14 or 9), but I would not use 14 and 7 to get somebody who is not definitely considered better, rather just our choice of the same litter.

[Myth]

Does Brogdon, 14, 34, and 40 for Devonte Graham and #8 get any close? Drops Portland below the tax, upgrades SA point guard, and keeps the Spurs FA money partially available.

Counter proposal
7, 14, Brogdon
for
4, 48, Devonte Graham

On paper it's fair, but If the Spurs have a chance to grab Risacher or Castle at 4, I wouldn't trade down. If both are gone, I'd do that.
You can also remove Brogdon if that's a contentious point, the basic framework would be 4 for 7 and 14, provided the Spurs can't get their target at 4 but Blazers could.

The problem is, Portland only considers this for Risacher themselves. We need 2 lotto wings to increase the chance of one of them panning out unless the #4 is more of a higher prospect. Brogdon isn’t the issue.

[wemby]

Counter proposal
7, 14, Brogdon
for
4, 48, Devonte Graham

On paper it's fair, but If the Spurs have a chance to grab Risacher or Castle at 4, I wouldn't trade down. If both are gone, I'd do that.
You can also remove Brogdon if that's a contentious point, the basic framework would be 4 for 7 and 14, provided the Spurs can't get their target at 4 but Blazers could.

The problem is, Portland only considers this for Risacher themselves. We need 2 lotto wings to increase the chance of one of them panning out unless the #4 is more of a higher prospect. Brogdon isn’t the issue.

If Blazers want Risacher, they have to trade up to no. 3 or no. 2 (most likely), he's not getting past the Spurs at no. 4 and they aren't trading down if he's there.

[wemby]

I have not heard this definitive tier list and I’ve been taking in hours of draft info daily The past couple weeks. Could you clarify for me who the top 4 tier clearly is?

I don't know about "tiers" per se, but Spurs are rumored to be high on Risacher and Castle, and those 2 won't be there if the Spurs trade down from 4, so personally I'd only trade down if both of them are gone.
Similarly, you're bound to find good wings and guards at 8 (like some of Sheppard, Matas Buzelis, Cody Williams, etc.), so a move down fom 8 may also imply changing a lot of your primary targets. There's a reason plenty of teams are said to be looking to trade into the top 10.

I think there is a difference between a team target and a tier though. Risacher at 4 would be considered him dropping in the draft as most consider him top 2, and Castle for Spurs is more about team needs. But once we are talking the glut of wings, give me 2 of them easily over 1 preferred unless the team is very convinced that 1 has separated himself from the others. I’d like to see Portland use other assets to move up and get their choice (like an expendable vet with 14 or 9), but I would not us Ie 14 and 7 to get somebody who is not definitely considered better, rather just our choice of the same litter.

I agree with this, I see it as getting yoru guy even if he's in the same tier. For instance, you can have Sheppard and Buzelis in the same tier, but only be interested in the latter for fit concerns as you already have a lot of guards This is the case where Blazers should move up, most upside wings are likely gone at 14 except for maybe Holland. But it depends completely on the Blazers evaluation, it's something that happens only on the clock. As for other vet assets, I honestly don't think any Blazer asset will get you there except for maybe Simons, which you probably won't do.

[Myth]

On paper it's fair, but If the Spurs have a chance to grab Risacher or Castle at 4, I wouldn't trade down. If both are gone, I'd do that.
You can also remove Brogdon if that's a contentious point, the basic framework would be 4 for 7 and 14, provided the Spurs can't get their target at 4 but Blazers could.

The problem is, Portland only considers this for Risacher themselves. We need 2 lotto wings to increase the chance of one of them panning out unless the #4 is more of a higher prospect. Brogdon isn’t the issue.

If Blazers want Risacher, they have to trade up to no. 3 or no. 2 (most likely), he's not getting past the Spurs at no. 4 and they aren't trading down if he's there.

I’m not expecting them to. My point is Blazers don’t trade 14 and 7 for 4 without it being Risacher (or Sarr obviously) and Spurs won’t do that trade if it is Risacher, meaning this trade won’t be happening.

[Myth]

I don't know about "tiers" per se, but Spurs are rumored to be high on Risacher and Castle, and those 2 won't be there if the Spurs trade down from 4, so personally I'd only trade down if both of them are gone.
Similarly, you're bound to find good wings and guards at 8 (like some of Sheppard, Matas Buzelis, Cody Williams, etc.), so a move down fom 8 may also imply changing a lot of your primary targets. There's a reason plenty of teams are said to be looking to trade into the top 10.

I think there is a difference between a team target and a tier though. Risacher at 4 would be considered him dropping in the draft as most consider him top 2, and Castle for Spurs is more about team needs. But once we are talking the glut of wings, give me 2 of them easily over 1 preferred unless the team is very convinced that 1 has separated himself from the others. I’d like to see Portland use other assets to move up and get their choice (like an expendable vet with 14 or 9), but I would not us Ie 14 and 7 to get somebody who is not definitely considered better, rather just our choice of the same litter.

I agree with this, I see it as getting yoru guy even if he's in the same tier. For instance, you can have Sheppard and Buzelis in the same tier, but only be interested in the latter for fit concerns as you already have a lot of guards This is the case where Blazers should move up, most upside wings are likely gone at 14 except for maybe Holland. But it depends completely on the Blazers evaluation, it's something that happens only on the clock. As for other vet assets, I honestly don't think any Blazer asset will get you there except for maybe Simons, which you probably won't do.

There are definitely some trades where I use Simons to move up.