Shams: Lillard to Milwaukee in three team deal

[TheGeneral99]

I think the dream of Giannis for Masai, has now passed. Especially if the injury he had this year is serious. Are they covering up a potential Achilles issue with Giannis?

That would be the ultimate nail in the coffin for the Bucks. I think the reason they were willing to entertain all of these short term trades at the expense of the long term, was they were probably thinking they could trade Giannis to recoup some of those lost future assets.

But if he now has a serious injury, does that screw up all their future plans?

Overall they misfired on trading Jrue and hiring Doc. Hope Giannis is ok

I mean we won't know if they misfired or not because Giannis got hurt and missed the playoffs.

You can't really control that.

[WuTang_CMB]

I think the dream of Giannis for Masai, has now passed. Especially if the injury he had this year is serious. Are they covering up a potential Achilles issue with Giannis?

That would be the ultimate nail in the coffin for the Bucks. I think the reason they were willing to entertain all of these short term trades at the expense of the long term, was they were probably thinking they could trade Giannis to recoup some of those lost future assets.

But if he now has a serious injury, does that screw up all their future plans?

Overall they misfired on trading Jrue and hiring Doc. Hope Giannis is ok

Hiring Doc was definitely a huge mistake. But I don't know if trading Jrue was a mistake. He could never be relied on to be the 2nd option for the Bucks (if Middleton couldn't be trusted because of injuries now), and Boston is a perfect fit for Jrue, because there he can be the 4th option. They just need him for his D.

I'm sure Bucks would have preferred if Jrue stayed in the West, but they first needed to worry about making their own team better. Had Giannis been healthy, I wonder if they would have challenged the Celtics?

Jrue was fine for them. Him and Giannis on the court had one of the highest net ratings. The defense in the playoffs as we are seeing is what seperates him.

[JB7]

Overall they misfired on trading Jrue and hiring Doc. Hope Giannis is ok

Hiring Doc was definitely a huge mistake. But I don't know if trading Jrue was a mistake. He could never be relied on to be the 2nd option for the Bucks (if Middleton couldn't be trusted because of injuries now), and Boston is a perfect fit for Jrue, because there he can be the 4th option. They just need him for his D.

I'm sure Bucks would have preferred if Jrue stayed in the West, but they first needed to worry about making their own team better. Had Giannis been healthy, I wonder if they would have challenged the Celtics?

Jrue was fine for them. Him and Giannis on the court had one of the highest net ratings. The defense in the playoffs as we are seeing is what seperates him.

Yes, his D is unreal. But he is getting older, which will eventually impact his D, and I think they panicked because of Middleton's decline. Without Middleton, they had no reliable clutch scorer.

[Tor_Raps]

Giannis was the one forcing the Bucks to make a big move so the Dame for Jrue trade is on him tbh lol.

[WuTang_CMB]

Hiring Doc was definitely a huge mistake. But I don't know if trading Jrue was a mistake. He could never be relied on to be the 2nd option for the Bucks (if Middleton couldn't be trusted because of injuries now), and Boston is a perfect fit for Jrue, because there he can be the 4th option. They just need him for his D.

I'm sure Bucks would have preferred if Jrue stayed in the West, but they first needed to worry about making their own team better. Had Giannis been healthy, I wonder if they would have challenged the Celtics?

Jrue was fine for them. Him and Giannis on the court had one of the highest net ratings. The defense in the playoffs as we are seeing is what seperates him.

Yes, his D is unreal. But he is getting older, which will eventually impact his D, and I think they panicked because of Middleton's decline. Without Middleton, they had no reliable clutch scorer.

Lillard isn't any younger. Hindsight 2020 but the move backfired

[MiamiSPX]

Giannis was the one forcing the Bucks to make a big move so the Dame for Jrue trade is on him tbh lol.

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And now that 6x All-Defensive Jrue is about to get fitted for his 2nd ring, there is a very compelling argument towards preferring him over Dame if you're trying to win a title.

[JB7]

Jrue was fine for them. Him and Giannis on the court had one of the highest net ratings. The defense in the playoffs as we are seeing is what seperates him.

Yes, his D is unreal. But he is getting older, which will eventually impact his D, and I think they panicked because of Middleton's decline. Without Middleton, they had no reliable clutch scorer.

Lillard isn't any younger. Hindsight 2020 but the move backfired

I think they just thought his shooting would age better than Jrue's D.

But I agree with the other comments that Giannis is probably the one that forced their hands anyways to trade for Dame.

At the end of the day, none of it matters if Giannis is not healthy.

[Tor_Raps]

Giannis was the one forcing the Bucks to make a big move so the Dame for Jrue trade is on him tbh lol.

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And now that 6x All-Defensive Jrue is about to get fitted for his 2nd ring, there is a very compelling argument towards preferring him over Dame if you're trying to win a title.

Middleton's health was the main reason why the Bucks kept underachieving in the playoffs.

Jrue was also struggling in the playoffs but that was because he's not the top perimeter option on any team. He was definitely the wrong guy to trade since he's the perfect 3rd guy.

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Jrue with the Birdman handrub.

[Los_29]

Giannis was the one forcing the Bucks to make a big move so the Dame for Jrue trade is on him tbh lol.

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And now that 6x All-Defensive Jrue is about to get fitted for his 2nd ring, there is a very compelling argument towards preferring him over Dame if you're trying to win a title.

Dame is still a much better player and the same age. Even as a 3rd option, Jrue still put up mediocre percentages. What Jrue does well is all of the little things and that’s why him being in his current role is perfect for him.

Bucks would be much worse off with Jrue as opposed to Dame in my opinion.

[KawhiSoSerious]

Giannis was the one forcing the Bucks to make a big move so the Dame for Jrue trade is on him tbh lol.

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And now that 6x All-Defensive Jrue is about to get fitted for his 2nd ring, there is a very compelling argument towards preferring him over Dame if you're trying to win a title.

Then and now I actually prefer Jrue over Dame even without the extras the Bucks gave up, especially in the Playoffs, which was the whole point of trade.

I thought the Blazers got a massive steal, nowhere as bad but along the same lines as the Pierce, Garnett trade between the Cs and the Nets.

[Tor_Raps]

Giannis was the one forcing the Bucks to make a big move so the Dame for Jrue trade is on him tbh lol.

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And now that 6x All-Defensive Jrue is about to get fitted for his 2nd ring, there is a very compelling argument towards preferring him over Dame if you're trying to win a title.

Dame is still a much better player and the same age. Even as a 3rd option, Jrue still put up mediocre percentages. What Jrue does well is all of the little things and that’s why him being in his current role is perfect for him.

Bucks would be much worse off with Jrue as opposed to Dame in my opinion.

Like I said, it's all been about Middleton's lack of availability. Bucks have already won a title with that core and I don't think they had a single post healthy after that. And it was just Jrue but they also got rid of Allen who just had an amazing season too plus whatever else.

Now don't get me wrong, I thought Lillard was going to be a great fit with Giannis so I'm speaking in hindsight here lol.
And it wasn't just

[YogurtProducer]

Giannis was the one forcing the Bucks to make a big move so the Dame for Jrue trade is on him tbh lol.

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And now that 6x All-Defensive Jrue is about to get fitted for his 2nd ring, there is a very compelling argument towards preferring him over Dame if you're trying to win a title.

Then and now I actually prefer Jrue over Dame even without the extras the Bucks gave up, especially in the Playoffs, which was the whole point of trade.

I thought the Blazers got a massive steal, nowhere as bad but along the same lines as the Pierce, Garnett trade between the Cs and the Nets.

Important to remember how bad Jrue was offensively for MIL for his entire tenure in the playoffs. Teams in the playoffs can gameplan for Giannis a bit more, and Jrue gets hounded more.

3 straight years he went from a 40% from 3 to 30%. And his TS% was south of 50% in each post-season run. They needed to make a change and go for offense.

[Pointgod]

Jrue was fine for them. Him and Giannis on the court had one of the highest net ratings. The defense in the playoffs as we are seeing is what seperates him.

Yes, his D is unreal. But he is getting older, which will eventually impact his D, and I think they panicked because of Middleton's decline. Without Middleton, they had no reliable clutch scorer.

Lillard isn't any younger. Hindsight 2020 but the move backfired

Just way too early to say.

[Tor_Raps]

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And now that 6x All-Defensive Jrue is about to get fitted for his 2nd ring, there is a very compelling argument towards preferring him over Dame if you're trying to win a title.

Then and now I actually prefer Jrue over Dame even without the extras the Bucks gave up, especially in the Playoffs, which was the whole point of trade.

I thought the Blazers got a massive steal, nowhere as bad but along the same lines as the Pierce, Garnett trade between the Cs and the Nets.

Important to remember how bad Jrue was offensively for MIL for his entire tenure in the playoffs. Teams in the playoffs can gameplan for Giannis a bit more, and Jrue gets hounded more.

3 straight years he went from a 40% from 3 to 30%. And his TS% was south of 50% in each post-season run. They needed to make a change and go for offense.

Ya and not having Middleton healthy put Jrue in a position he doesn't really belong as the reams best perimeter scoring option. He's always meant to be the 3rd option who does a bit of everything like a Lowry, Draymond, etc.

[WuTang_CMB]

Yes, his D is unreal. But he is getting older, which will eventually impact his D, and I think they panicked because of Middleton's decline. Without Middleton, they had no reliable clutch scorer.

Lillard isn't any younger. Hindsight 2020 but the move backfired

I think they just thought his shooting would age better than Jrue's D.

But I agree with the other comments that Giannis is probably the one that forced their hands anyways to trade for Dame.

At the end of the day, none of it matters if Giannis is not healthy.

They were already a great team. Complete misfire of a deal by them. They didn't know what they had with Jrue when the rest of the league did

[WuTang_CMB]

Yes, his D is unreal. But he is getting older, which will eventually impact his D, and I think they panicked because of Middleton's decline. Without Middleton, they had no reliable clutch scorer.

Lillard isn't any younger. Hindsight 2020 but the move backfired

Just way too early to say.

Jrue went to the Celtics

and even if he didn't, that move didn't get them any better especially in the playoffs where defense is highly valued

[MiamiSPX]

Lillard isn't any younger. Hindsight 2020 but the move backfired

Just way too early to say.

Jrue went to the Celtics

and even if he didn't, that move didn't get them any better especially in the playoffs where defense is highly valued

And to top it off, Dame hasn't exactly said glowing things about the city of Milwaukee. He even tried to take back his "trade me" stance once he found out he was going to the Bucks lol. And now Doc is blabbing that Dame didn't even work out last summer, and we're hearing this the day before Jrue gets his 2nd ring. Just a disaster all around.

[WaltFrazier]

Giannis was the one forcing the Bucks to make a big move so the Dame for Jrue trade is on him tbh lol.

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And now that 6x All-Defensive Jrue is about to get fitted for his 2nd ring, there is a very compelling argument towards preferring him over Dame if you're trying to win a title.

Dame is still a much better player and the same age. Even as a 3rd option, Jrue still put up mediocre percentages. What Jrue does well is all of the little things and that’s why him being in his current role is perfect for him.

Bucks would be much worse off with Jrue as opposed to Dame in my opinion.

But if they'd kept Jrue and traded Middleton for a younger wing #2 scorer, they might be better. No idea how possible that was.

[JB7]

Lillard isn't any younger. Hindsight 2020 but the move backfired

I think they just thought his shooting would age better than Jrue's D.

But I agree with the other comments that Giannis is probably the one that forced their hands anyways to trade for Dame.

At the end of the day, none of it matters if Giannis is not healthy.

They were already a great team. Complete misfire of a deal by them. They didn't know what they had with Jrue when the rest of the league did

They just couldn't get back to the finals with Jrue, and that's why Giannis and the team went for the Dame play. With Jrue, they would have continued to be a dominant regular season team, only to fail in the playoffs, as they had no way to replace what Middleton brought to the team.