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Re: Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft 

Post#221 » by Clutch0z24 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:52 pm

youreachiteach wrote:The flipside of that argument is that you are wasting another year of Barnes opportunity to win. It's one thing to decide that what they have done isn't working and then decide to tank in a strong draft--but there is no reason to cut their legs out from under them before they even start for a player in the draft who will probably not be competitive on Scottie's timeline (in terms of winning over the next few years).

Part of convincing him to stay will be the team's effort in trying to surround him with talent. I very much doubt IQ, Scottie or Barrett would be in favor of this. Even Jakob has said he's good being here as long as we try. Another year of tanking devalues our assets even more than they are--which will make it hard to get better through trades, our most likely avenue to improvement. It would be great to get Scottie another star, but I think they would feel the team is at least owed a shot before it is detonated again, right after they have gone through major reconstruction not half a season ago.


What we are doing now (Based on coaches words) We are building a team around Barnes right now....And It sounds like the draft is the way they plan on doing that....Barnes will be here for another 5 at least...You have time in that window to get the right players and pieces around him to get a winning team eventually....Patience is key...

We can't just put out a team with meh upside like we have now and expect things to change anytime soon....Thats partly why we Drafted Dick last year was because it fits a need for a team built around Barnes....Same thing could happen this draft....

Yak and Brown atm are our best assets to move right now for young players with potential that fit Barnes timeline ...

Yak maybe good right now but we are looking 2-3 years into the future now not what the team looks like today or tomorrow...

If we can get another young asset that Masai sees fits next to the young team hes building by giving up Yak + a few assets hes going to take it...
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Re: Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft 

Post#222 » by islandboy53 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:07 pm

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dkb964 wrote:If everyone seems to think it was a bad idea knowing where it landed to the 8th pick for Poeltl why in the hell would the Grizzles trade the 9th pick and other assets for for him?


A thing called context is why...

For a rebuilding team like ours who was in deep in the lottery despite having most of their players available to them at the time of the trade and who was missing the Playoffs more often than not. Who also is nowhere remotely near contention with him on the roster. It didn’t and doesn’t make sense to have Poeltl who he himself said he didn’t want to be a part of a rebuild and now finds himself in that position when the franchise changed course on him…

For MEM on the other hand that has an obvious superstar, a budding young core in Bane & JJJ who are all closer to their primes, that had been in the Playoffs and was ascending and who added another good vet (Smart) with yet another good young player (GG) plus Poeltl’s addition will likely help them contend which makes TOTAL sense!

But somehow that evades you?!?


It makes way more sense for them to sign Hartenstein or Claxton and keep their lottery pick. But sonehow that evades you!?


Memphis can generate about $7 million under the tax if they let Kennard go. Hartenstein and Claxton will get $20 to $25 million next year, so they're not signing with Memphis. They could trade for a starter like Poeltl or Capela. Atlanta is apparently looking to move Capela, although there is no indication Toronto wants to move Poeltl despite a lot of wishful thinking from TWO types. I expect Memphis to draft the best centre available, and run with him and Aldama to start. They may add an inexpensive vet like maybe Tillman or Plumlee or Bitadze for depth. Depending how their season goes, they may need to make a trade for a starter at the dealine.
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Re: Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft 

Post#223 » by dkb964 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:13 pm

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A thing called context is why...

For a rebuilding team like ours who was in deep in the lottery despite having most of their players available to them at the time of the trade and who was missing the Playoffs more often than not. Who also is nowhere remotely near contention with him on the roster. It didn’t and doesn’t make sense to have Poeltl who he himself said he didn’t want to be a part of a rebuild and now finds himself in that position when the franchise changed course on him…

For MEM on the other hand that has an obvious superstar, a budding young core in Bane & JJJ who are all closer to their primes, that had been in the Playoffs and was ascending and who added another good vet (Smart) with yet another good young player (GG) plus Poeltl’s addition will likely help them contend which makes TOTAL sense!

But somehow that evades you?!?


It makes way more sense for them to sign Hartenstein or Claxton and keep their lottery pick. But sonehow that evades you!?


Memphis can generate about $7 million under the tax if they let Kennard go. Hartenstein and Claxton will get $20 to $25 million next year, so they're not signing with Memphis. They could trade for a starter like Poeltl or Capela. Atlanta is apparently looking to move Capela, although there is no indication Toronto wants to move Poeltl despite a lot of wishful thinking from TWO types. I expect Memphis to draft the best centre available, and run with him and Aldama to start. They may add an inexpensive vet like maybe Tillman or Plumlee or Bitadze for depth. Depending how their season goes, they may need to make a trade for a starter at the dealine.


I do not think that those players will get even get 20M, likke own 25M. They will sure as hell will get more then 7M. The Grizzles must be paying both JJJ and Bane big bucks now to not have any cap space.
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Re: Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft 

Post#224 » by TGM » Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:22 am

Brown and 19 to move up is probably the offer. Picks 10-25 could be argued same quality of player just maybe not getting the guy you want. If I can dump some salary for a productive player in Brown who can help me win now and also still draft a similar calibre player, why not?

For Masai moving Brown to move up will be a way to kick the van down the road. The higher pick will be sold as if we got our guy and the small price was Brown. How the pick turns out will be a few years out.
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Re: Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft 

Post#225 » by Cyrus » Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:58 am

Raps trade guarantee future lotto pick for eddy.

It'll turn into top 3 pick next year. Would we be the first team to trade back to back lotto picks
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Post#226 » by Thaddy » Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:51 am

Brown to move up wouldn't be terrible. If he gets us into the the top 12 we would be in a good range to pick someone like Holland, Salaun, or Topic (not a big fan). It gives us a player with a potential tag.

I would personally use Brown to move up with the 31st into the lottery. Maybe the Bulls? If we get Missi he would replace Poeltl and be an immediate back up big. Then the next pick could be a player like Kolek, Collier, Carrington, or someone to fill the back up PG hole and play off ball. If we could get a shooter like McCain it would be well worth it.
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Re: Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft 

Post#227 » by LarSiN » Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:48 pm

dkb964 wrote:
islandboy53 wrote:
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It makes way more sense for them to sign Hartenstein or Claxton and keep their lottery pick. But sonehow that evades you!?


Memphis can generate about $7 million under the tax if they let Kennard go. Hartenstein and Claxton will get $20 to $25 million next year, so they're not signing with Memphis. They could trade for a starter like Poeltl or Capela. Atlanta is apparently looking to move Capela, although there is no indication Toronto wants to move Poeltl despite a lot of wishful thinking from TWO types. I expect Memphis to draft the best centre available, and run with him and Aldama to start. They may add an inexpensive vet like maybe Tillman or Plumlee or Bitadze for depth. Depending how their season goes, they may need to make a trade for a starter at the dealine.


I do not think that those players will get even get 20M,
likke own 25M. They will sure as hell will get more then 7M. The Grizzles must be paying both JJJ and Bane big bucks now to not have any cap space.


Claxton will 100% be getting more than 20 per, especially with the cap rising
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Re: Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft 

Post#228 » by LarSiN » Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:50 pm

Cyrus wrote:Raps trade guarantee future lotto pick for eddy.

It'll turn into top 3 pick next year. Would we be the first team to trade back to back lotto picks


None of that will happen, especially giving up an unprotected lotto pick in a much better draft (even the Poeltl pick wasn't unprotected)
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Post#229 » by 2019nbachamps » Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:50 pm

Funny the anti tankers were telling us it’s a weak draft. Same weak draft we traded in to with Siakam deal and same weak draft we’re looking to move up in.
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Re: Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft 

Post#230 » by YogurtProducer » Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:57 pm

2019nbachamps wrote:Funny the anti tankers were telling us it’s a weak draft. Same weak draft we traded in to with Siakam deal and same weak draft we’re looking to move up in.

IS anyone denying the draft is weak?

Moving up into a weak draft is fine, as long as you pay a discounted price for the picks you acquire. People were just saying valuing the 8th pick like a historical 8th pick is foolish, but it does not mean you can't trade for it. You just only give up value = to a normal late lottery pick.
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Re: Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft 

Post#231 » by Kurtz » Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:01 pm

youreachiteach wrote:The flipside of that argument is that you are wasting another year of Barnes opportunity to win. It's one thing to decide that what they have done isn't working and then decide to tank in a strong draft--but there is no reason to cut their legs out from under them before they even start for a player in the draft who will probably not be competitive on Scottie's timeline (in terms of winning over the next few years).

Part of convincing him to stay will be the team's effort in trying to surround him with talent. I very much doubt IQ, Scottie or Barrett would be in favor of this. Even Jakob has said he's good being here as long as we try. Another year of tanking devalues our assets even more than they are--which will make it hard to get better through trades, our most likely avenue to improvement. It would be great to get Scottie another star, but I think they would feel the team is at least owed a shot before it is detonated again, right after they have gone through major reconstruction not half a season ago.


Scottie's only 22 (same age as Edey). He hasn't even entered his prime years yet, and has at least another decade of peak basketball ahead of him. Anyone we draft in the next several drafts will pretty much be on his timeline. RJ and Quick are only 24 as well, so their timeline is just getting started. We're still very early in the asset accumulation stage with the end goal being to either draft an MVP calibre star or accumulate enough assets where you can eventually trade for one, because you're not a serious contender in this league without a guy like that.

Jakob on the other hand is 28 - he's indeed on a different timeline so if we can get good assets for him in a trade, we should.
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Post#232 » by ___Rand___ » Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:19 pm

Please no Edey. I support the guy, I hope he develops into a servicable center for FIBA basketball (he wasn't last year), but I am not looking for him to join Raptors.
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Post#233 » by RoteSchroder » Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:55 pm

___Rand___ wrote:Please no Edey. I support the guy, I hope he develops into a servicable center for FIBA basketball (he wasn't last year), but I am not looking for him to join Raptors.


Risacher, Cody and Sarr also sucked donkey balls in the U19. They’re basically 2nd round prospects.
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Post#234 » by canz55 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:59 pm

Edey is such a flawed player. They'd be crazy to trade up for him.
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Re: Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft 

Post#235 » by dkb964 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 8:30 pm

LarSiN wrote:
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Memphis can generate about $7 million under the tax if they let Kennard go. Hartenstein and Claxton will get $20 to $25 million next year, so they're not signing with Memphis. They could trade for a starter like Poeltl or Capela. Atlanta is apparently looking to move Capela, although there is no indication Toronto wants to move Poeltl despite a lot of wishful thinking from TWO types. I expect Memphis to draft the best centre available, and run with him and Aldama to start. They may add an inexpensive vet like maybe Tillman or Plumlee or Bitadze for depth. Depending how their season goes, they may need to make a trade for a starter at the dealine.


I do not think that those players will get even get 20M,
likke own 25M. They will sure as hell will get more then 7M. The Grizzles must be paying both JJJ and Bane big bucks now to not have any cap space.


Claxton will 100% be getting more than 20 per, especially with the cap rising


Then why do Raptors fans want to get rid of Poeltl so badly when he is a better player and paid a bit less then 20M a year?
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Post#236 » by Jadoogar » Fri Jun 14, 2024 8:34 pm

TGM wrote:Brown and 19 to move up is probably the offer. Picks 10-25 could be argued same quality of player just maybe not getting the guy you want. If I can dump some salary for a productive player in Brown who can help me win now and also still draft a similar calibre player, why not?

For Masai moving Brown to move up will be a way to kick the van down the road. The higher pick will be sold as if we got our guy and the small price was Brown. How the pick turns out will be a few years out.

Is Brown considered that big of an asset? His main value is that he is a big expiring contract. I don't think that's moving you from 19 into the top 10.
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Post#237 » by LarSiN » Fri Jun 14, 2024 8:37 pm

dkb964 wrote:
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dkb964 wrote:
I do not think that those players will get even get 20M,
likke own 25M. They will sure as hell will get more then 7M. The Grizzles must be paying both JJJ and Bane big bucks now to not have any cap space.


Claxton will 100% be getting more than 20 per, especially with the cap rising


Then why do Raptors fans want to get rid of Poeltl so badly when he is a better player and paid a bit less then 20M a year?


His age, that's literally it
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Post#238 » by Tor_Raps » Fri Jun 14, 2024 8:38 pm

Jadoogar wrote:
TGM wrote:Brown and 19 to move up is probably the offer. Picks 10-25 could be argued same quality of player just maybe not getting the guy you want. If I can dump some salary for a productive player in Brown who can help me win now and also still draft a similar calibre player, why not?

For Masai moving Brown to move up will be a way to kick the van down the road. The higher pick will be sold as if we got our guy and the small price was Brown. How the pick turns out will be a few years out.

Is Brown considered that big of an asset? His main value is that he is a big expiring contract. I don't think that's moving you from 19 into the top 10.


You'd have to take on horrible contracts to do that.
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Post#239 » by Smalltown » Fri Jun 14, 2024 8:45 pm

LarSiN wrote:His age, that's literally it


Dude is 28 he has at least 4 or more prime years left. He's under contract for 3 more years. And that 19.5 is going to seem like a bargain in two years. It's not like he's 35.
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Post#240 » by PhilBlackson » Fri Jun 14, 2024 9:17 pm

Personally I'm only ok with trading up for Edey (SAC) IF we traded up for Saluan first (MEM).

I just can't shake my doubts with Edey. Not that I don't think he'll be a good serviceable big man ala Valanciunas, swallow up the boards and get a few touches in the paint a game. But I'll genuinely be stunned if he becomes anywhere near the new age Yao Ming some people believe he'll be. However having said that if our FO believes he's the next Yao then they better make that move because if the FO thinks he's that then they should be moving hell & high water to get him and leave no excuses why they don't get him.

...and I echo that sentiment with Saluan. If they think he's another SGA, LaMelo, Giannis, Cason etc player that they feel very strongly about, don't half ass it. No one is going to demand Scottie, Gradey or IQ to move up, so you move whatever you need to if you really believe you have a player with any chance to be special. I don't wanna see a stupid Open Gym highlight about how you tried because there's always a team willing to move off their pick and especially in a weaker/flat one like this.

If they think either has the potential to be a star, I don't want any excuses because in a weak draft with 2 picks and desirable vets, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to walk out with a player you really like.
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