2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27)

[djFan71]

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Interesting idea about the Pels pick.

I wonder what would be a fair offer for 21?

Like #30, the aforementioned 2025 WAS/DET/GSW 2nd, and like a far out Celtics 2nd, like in 2030 all for the Pellies #21 ??

Seems close. We got 31, and 2 future 2nds for 25.
So, 30 and 2 future 2nds to go a little higher to 21.

It does feel like a lot when you actually list it out, lol. You'd have to really like the guy and feel there was a tier of difference than just staying and getting 3 swings instead of 1.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Speaking of guys who won't be there at 30, I'm nearly certain Scheierman will be gone by then. He has been rising in recent weeks from what I see and read.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[djFan71]

Interesting that Holmes isn't on there and that Da Silva is in the bottom 4.

[redslastlaugh]

It does seem like a lot, lol

Our best of WAS/DET/GSW second could easily be 31 or 32 or 33 next year. Both DET and WAS are tanking and GSW could lose Klay to FA and are one injury or Draymond suspension from tanking for Cooper Flagg the way they did for James Wiseman.

If you consider that next years top 7 - 10 prospects would all be candidates to go #1 this draft, and you look at the college guys who pulled their names out at this years withdrawal deadline, the #31 or #32 pick next year is just as good a prospect probably as #21 this year, except cheaper but that you have to wait a year.

I think, considering Als age and KP injury history, that only if a frontcourt player that can shoot slid to 21 and to me that’s probably only:

DaRon Holmes
Tristan daSilva
or
Kyle Flipowski

Thats the only way we’d be enticed to consider moving up, probably.

But still probably unlikely Brad wants to move up, with a much better draft coming next year.

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Interesting idea about the Pels pick.

I wonder what would be a fair offer for 21?

Like #30, the aforementioned 2025 WAS/DET/GSW 2nd, and like a far out Celtics 2nd, like in 2030 all for the Pellies #21 ??

Seems close. We got 31, and 2 future 2nds for 25.
So, 30 and 2 future 2nds to go a little higher to 21.

It does feel like a lot when you actually list it out, lol. You'd have to really like the guy and feel there was a tier of difference than just staying and getting 3 swings instead of 1.

[djFan71]

It does seem like a lot, lol

Our best of WAS/DET/GSW second could easily be 31 or 32 or 33 next year. Both DET and WAS are tanking and GSW could lose Klay to FA and are one injury or Draymond suspension from tanking for Cooper Flagg the way they did for James Wiseman.

If you consider that next years top 7 - 10 prospects would all be candidates to go #1 this draft, and you look at the college guys who pulled their names out at this years withdrawal deadline, the #31 or #32 pick next year is just as good a prospect probably as #21 this year, except cheaper but that you have to wait a year.

I think, considering Als age and KP injury history, that only if a frontcourt player that can shoot slid to 21 and to me that’s probably only:

DaRon Holmes
Tristan daSilva
or
Kyle Flipowski

Thats the only way we’d be enticed to consider moving up, probably.

But still probably unlikely Brad wants to move up, with a much better draft coming next year.

I agree with all of that. I'm not fully sold on Kyle, but I could see it.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Wiretap says New Orleans is considering it, trading down from 21 to add future 2nds.

I wonder if we may have trouble repeating last years brilliant haul, that the NBA is ready for it

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/276056/Pelicans-Could-Move-Back-In-NBA-Draft-To-Pick-Up-Future-Seconds

Time to zag an trade up! Brad was just laying the framework for that last year to sucker everyone else into thinking it was the right thing to do.

The one spot we might be able to move up to is WAS at 26.

Next year is considered a great draft, Washington is expected to be in tank mode. But we have their next years’ 2nd round pick, likely to be 31-35, among the picks we got trading down last draft.

#30 plus giving WAS their 2025 2nd rounder back to get to 26, ahead of Minny, Denver and Danny Ainge?? If a prospect Brad has top 20 starts sliding, would he move up?? Could be doable, I dunno.

I just don’t know that Brad would ever trade up tho.

There is no meaningful difference in value between #26 and #30. There isn't even much of a gap between #26 and the best second rounder from WAS/DET/GSW next season since it'll be #31-33 in all likelyhood. Trading #30 + the WAS/DET/GSW pick for #26 is basically giving up twice the value you are receiving. It's the kind of trade the Pistons would do (source: they did it last year). Don't be the Pistons.

[redslastlaugh]

Time to zag an trade up! Brad was just laying the framework for that last year to sucker everyone else into thinking it was the right thing to do.

The one spot we might be able to move up to is WAS at 26.

Next year is considered a great draft, Washington is expected to be in tank mode. But we have their next years’ 2nd round pick, likely to be 31-35, among the picks we got trading down last draft.

#30 plus giving WAS their 2025 2nd rounder back to get to 26, ahead of Minny, Denver and Danny Ainge?? If a prospect Brad has top 20 starts sliding, would he move up?? Could be doable, I dunno.

I just don’t know that Brad would ever trade up tho.

There is no meaningful difference in value between #26 and #30. There isn't even much of a gap between #26 and the best second rounder from WAS/DET/GSW next season since it'll be #31-33 in all likelyhood. Trading #30 + the WAS/DET/GSW pick for #26 is basically giving up twice the value you are receiving. It's the kind of trade the Pistons would do (source: they did it last year). Don't be the Pistons.

“Don’t be the Pistons.”
lol, that sounds like Don Rickles, “what are you a dumbbell?? don’t be a dumbbell, nobody likes a dumbbell.”
lol, don’t be the Pistons, that’s funny, true but funny

[redslastlaugh]

At this point, assuming the ESPN top 25
https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr/page/1
are all gone, I’d redo this list in order of preference as

1. DaRon Holmes
2. Enrique Freeman
3. Jon Mogbo
4. Adem Bona
5. Jaylon Tyson
6. Niko Djurisic
7. Dillon Jones
8. Ajay Mitchell
9. PJ Hall
10. Juan Nunez
11. Keshad Johnson
12. Isaiah Crawford
13. Jamal Shead
14. Kevin McCullar
15. Jaylen Wells

Shead is lower for size/shooting reasons as well as we already have JD Davison who has more upside. McCullar is lower because of injury issues. Jaylen Wells lower for defense. And Grant-Foster, I don’t think he’s gonna get drafted, be a great summer league guy still.

I dont have a big board, but I have a list of guys Id be fine with drafting at either pick. I looked at the ESPN best available:

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable

For this exercise, I assumed the top 25 would be off the board, and of the remaining prospects, this my list of draftable guys:

Baylor Scheierman
Kevin McCullar
Jaylon Tyson
Juan Nunez
Niko Djurisic
Adem Bona
Jonnathan Mogbo
Ajay Mitchell
DaRon Holmes
Keshad Johson
Jamal Shead
Jaylen Wells
Enrique Freeman
PJ Hall
Isaiah Crawford
Tyon Grant Foster
Nique Clifford
Dillon Jones

So, we got two picks. Give me any two of this list, and Im good to go!

Odds are probably something like, 4 of those 18 guys will be in the league 3 years from now. Maybe it's less.

Anyway, Brad will pick 2 of those 4!

Out of those guys (if we keep both picks): Scheierman at 30. Holmes II. Then Tyson.

At 54: Djurisic is intriguing if he's there. Bona might be a nice pickup too.

[djFan71]

Time to zag an trade up! Brad was just laying the framework for that last year to sucker everyone else into thinking it was the right thing to do.

The one spot we might be able to move up to is WAS at 26.

Next year is considered a great draft, Washington is expected to be in tank mode. But we have their next years’ 2nd round pick, likely to be 31-35, among the picks we got trading down last draft.

#30 plus giving WAS their 2025 2nd rounder back to get to 26, ahead of Minny, Denver and Danny Ainge?? If a prospect Brad has top 20 starts sliding, would he move up?? Could be doable, I dunno.

I just don’t know that Brad would ever trade up tho.

There is no meaningful difference in value between #26 and #30. There isn't even much of a gap between #26 and the best second rounder from WAS/DET/GSW next season since it'll be #31-33 in all likelyhood. Trading #30 + the WAS/DET/GSW pick for #26 is basically giving up twice the value you are receiving. It's the kind of trade the Pistons would do (source: they did it last year). Don't be the Pistons.

True in a vacuum, and I completely agree overall. But if you have a guy you really like, that's always the exception. You'd have to be really sure, though, lol.

[brackdan70]

If we get Holmes I’d wet myself.

[playa-hater]

At this point, assuming the ESPN top 25
https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr/page/1
are all gone, I’d redo this list in order of preference as

1. DaRon Holmes
2. Enrique Freeman
3. Jon Mogbo
4. Adem Bona
5. Jaylon Tyson
6. Niko Djurisic
7. Dillon Jones
8. Ajay Mitchell
9. PJ Hall
10. Juan Nunez
11. Keshad Johnson
12. Isaiah Crawford
13. Jamal Shead
14. Kevin McCullar
15. Jaylen Wells

Shead is lower for size/shooting reasons as well as we already have JD Davison who has more upside. McCullar is lower because of injury issues. Jaylen Wells lower for defense. And Grant-Foster, I don’t think he’s gonna get drafted, be a great summer league guy still.

I dont have a big board, but I have a list of guys Id be fine with drafting at either pick. I looked at the ESPN best available:

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable

For this exercise, I assumed the top 25 would be off the board, and of the remaining prospects, this my list of draftable guys:

Baylor Scheierman
Kevin McCullar
Jaylon Tyson
Juan Nunez
Niko Djurisic
Adem Bona
Jonnathan Mogbo
Ajay Mitchell
DaRon Holmes
Keshad Johson
Jamal Shead
Jaylen Wells
Enrique Freeman
PJ Hall
Isaiah Crawford
Tyon Grant Foster
Nique Clifford
Dillon Jones

So, we got two picks. Give me any two of this list, and Im good to go!

Odds are probably something like, 4 of those 18 guys will be in the league 3 years from now. Maybe it's less.

Anyway, Brad will pick 2 of those 4!

Out of those guys (if we keep both picks): Scheierman at 30. Holmes II. Then Tyson.

At 54: Djurisic is intriguing if he's there. Bona might be a nice pickup too.

If the draft went like that that would really suck. None of the guys I like are available except Holmes and JT who won't make it to 30 most likely.

[Parliament10]

Here's my new Master Draft Trade.
Somebody show this to Brad Stevens.

[Hal14]

At this point, assuming the ESPN top 25
https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr/page/1
are all gone, I’d redo this list in order of preference as

1. DaRon Holmes
2. Enrique Freeman
3. Jon Mogbo
4. Adem Bona
5. Jaylon Tyson
6. Niko Djurisic
7. Dillon Jones
8. Ajay Mitchell
9. PJ Hall
10. Juan Nunez
11. Keshad Johnson
12. Isaiah Crawford
13. Jamal Shead
14. Kevin McCullar
15. Jaylen Wells

Shead is lower for size/shooting reasons as well as we already have JD Davison who has more upside. McCullar is lower because of injury issues. Jaylen Wells lower for defense. And Grant-Foster, I don’t think he’s gonna get drafted, be a great summer league guy still.

I have Wells (24th) ranked higher than Holmes (26th) on my personal big board

All 15 of these guys are good options though. I'd put them in a different order, but that's okay. I think this group is fairly interchangeable..

And Grant-Foster is returning to college for 1 more year..

[165bows]

At this point, assuming the ESPN top 25
https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr/page/1
are all gone, I’d redo this list in order of preference as

1. DaRon Holmes
2. Enrique Freeman
3. Jon Mogbo
4. Adem Bona
5. Jaylon Tyson
6. Niko Djurisic
7. Dillon Jones
8. Ajay Mitchell
9. PJ Hall
10. Juan Nunez
11. Keshad Johnson
12. Isaiah Crawford
13. Jamal Shead
14. Kevin McCullar
15. Jaylen Wells

Shead is lower for size/shooting reasons as well as we already have JD Davison who has more upside. McCullar is lower because of injury issues. Jaylen Wells lower for defense. And Grant-Foster, I don’t think he’s gonna get drafted, be a great summer league guy still.

I have Wells (24th) ranked higher than Holmes (26th) on my personal big board

All 15 of these guys are good options though. I'd put them in a different order, but that's okay. I think this group is fairly interchangeable..

And Grant-Foster is returning to college for 1 more year..

Freeman has really grown on me. They have definitely looked at a lot of different options for a PF and this guy even though older could still have a lot of growth left to his game.

Worth noting that most of their picks have been really long guys. Begarin reportedly has a 7’ wingspan and great standing reach (~8’9”) for his height. Walsh was near 7’2” wingspan.

JD Davison is the exception to the three they’ve take so far but he actually very slightly outmeasures Andrew Nembhard and Christian Braun in wingspan/reach so he’s not as small as people make him out to be.

Back to Freeman he has a 9’ standing reach and 7’2” wingspan and was a beast rebounder with potential to do other things besides defend and finish at the rim.

Grab him and Jesse Edwards as a new Luke Kornet clone (9’3” standing reach, 7’5” wingspan) and get the next generation of this team with some real length.

Even Harrison Ingram has a 7’ wingspan.

[165bows]

Celtics worked this guy out, a long defensive combo forward:

https://www.threewindsports.org/post/malevy-leons-the-dutch-swiss-army-knife

Seems like a very similar player to Anton Watson.

[playa-hater]

Celtics worked this guy out, a long defensive combo forward:

https://www.threewindsports.org/post/malevy-leons-the-dutch-swiss-army-knife

Seems like a very similar player to Anton Watson.

Brad making sure he gets that G League title

[playa-hater]

At this point, assuming the ESPN top 25
https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr/page/1
are all gone, I’d redo this list in order of preference as

1. DaRon Holmes
2. Enrique Freeman
3. Jon Mogbo
4. Adem Bona
5. Jaylon Tyson
6. Niko Djurisic
7. Dillon Jones
8. Ajay Mitchell
9. PJ Hall
10. Juan Nunez
11. Keshad Johnson
12. Isaiah Crawford
13. Jamal Shead
14. Kevin McCullar
15. Jaylen Wells

Shead is lower for size/shooting reasons as well as we already have JD Davison who has more upside. McCullar is lower because of injury issues. Jaylen Wells lower for defense. And Grant-Foster, I don’t think he’s gonna get drafted, be a great summer league guy still.

I have Wells (24th) ranked higher than Holmes (26th) on my personal big board

All 15 of these guys are good options though. I'd put them in a different order, but that's okay. I think this group is fairly interchangeable..

And Grant-Foster is returning to college for 1 more year..

Freeman has really grown on me. They have definitely looked at a lot of different options for a PF and this guy even though older could still have a lot of growth left to his game.

Worth noting that most of their picks have been really long guys. Begarin reportedly has a 7’ wingspan and great standing reach (~8’9”) for his height. Walsh was near 7’2” wingspan.

JD Davison is the exception to the three they’ve take so far but he actually very slightly outmeasures Andrew Nembhard and Christian Braun in wingspan/reach so he’s not as small as people make him out to be.

Back to Freeman he has a 9’ standing reach and 7’2” wingspan and was a beast rebounder with potential to do other things besides defend and finish at the rim.

Grab him and Jesse Edwards as a new Luke Kornet clone (9’3” standing reach, 7’5” wingspan) and get the next generation of this team with some real length.

Even Harrison Ingram has a 7’ wingspan.

Watching what videos are available, it seems Freeman never goes left.. Shoots slow but well. Plays with effort all the time. Since he was a late bloomer, I gather he still has time to learn more skills.

[playa-hater]

Although Drew Peterson is not a rookie, I feel Boston should take a good look at him this summer and training camp. I am wondering if he could be the surprise player that each team could use. Shooting needs to be taken up a notch but I like his overall skill set and how it may work with the Jays..

Obviously same for Walsh.

[djFan71]

A different big board
https://edemirnba.substack.com/p/2024-nba-draft-big-board-40

Other than no Jalen Bridges, Da Silva way late and ranking all my other guys way before we pick, I like it.