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[KnixinSix]

Can we be the center hungry team

AD theoretically is a perfect fit for the THibodeau system. He gives us the semi stretch 4/5 we sorely need.

AD has never been a good 3 point shooter and hasn't had a good mid-range game in years

It's why I used the term SEMI lol....Mid range hasn't been horrible though. Also he brings a defensive tenacity that KAT for instance simply doesnt have.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

it would be a lot harder to win with KAT playing C for us than those 2. he is a dummy, can't be counted on in the playoffs, limits roster construction on that deal, and isn't a good defender.

as for our centers, they both are nice yet limited. iHart is the better offensive player and if we're interested in upgrading with a stretch 5 he can go, because mitch is the better defender of the two.

They're at a fork in the road, if they plan of keeping Randle then the best way to maximize his talent is to put a stretch 5 next to him. If they're going another direction then maybe you keep the rim runners, but even then it's an antiquated role with a ceiling on what you can achieve in a league where the elite centers do multiple things. The threat of shooting from a C is a true weapon, the Pacers played the Celtics better than anyone so far because Turner has to be respected outside.



Mitch is injured entirely too much, he's missed more games since 2020 than Kristaps and Embiid, that is untenable whether you like him or not. He is unreliable and doesn't reach their high points.

Embiid
224 games

Kristaps
216


Mitch
193

I agree with what Cap said. I'm for upgrading the C position. Adding Kp last year would have done that even though he is also injured a lot, I hold grudges, and he has a weird case.

I think the best likely case to do this is how you mentioned - through the draft. Also this would help manage the cap situation. But until then you get to watch him dominate on defense and the glass while clogging up the lane on the offensive end.

Actually use the draft picks, move up and take Ware, move Mitch and then sign some other garbage man so that when Tom gets cold feet about playing a rookie we have a backup he can revert to that ultimately **** us over just the same.

We will never win with the garbage man center and no alternative to pivot off that playstyle, the sun has set on that player.

[Capn'O]

If the Sixers don’t sign anybody then I could see him asking out

I have a feeling Lebron will opt out and sign with the 76ers. Lakers shed $50M, get under the luxury tax and, trade Anthony Davis to a center hungry team. LeBron probably feels teaming with Embiid/Maxey in the East is better for career longevity and a path to the Finals.

Can we be the center hungry team

Now we're talking.

[Capn'O]

it would be a lot harder to win with KAT playing C for us than those 2. he is a dummy, can't be counted on in the playoffs, limits roster construction on that deal, and isn't a good defender.

as for our centers, they both are nice yet limited. iHart is the better offensive player and if we're interested in upgrading with a stretch 5 he can go, because mitch is the better defender of the two.

They're at a fork in the road, if they plan of keeping Randle then the best way to maximize his talent is to put a stretch 5 next to him. If they're going another direction then maybe you keep the rim runners, but even then it's an antiquated role with a ceiling on what you can achieve in a league where the elite centers do multiple things. The threat of shooting from a C is a true weapon, the Pacers played the Celtics better than anyone so far because Turner has to be respected outside.



Mitch is injured entirely too much, he's missed more games since 2020 than Kristaps and Embiid, that is untenable whether you like him or not. He is unreliable and doesn't reach their high points.

Embiid
224 games

Kristaps
216


Mitch
193

I agree with what Cap said. I'm for upgrading the C position. Adding Kp last year would have done that even though he is also injured a lot, I hold grudges, and he has a weird case.

I think the best likely case to do this is how you mentioned - through the draft. Also this would help manage the cap situation. But until then you get to watch him dominate on defense and the glass while clogging up the lane on the offensive end.

Kel'el Ware fits the profile but who knows if he pans.

[DaGawd]

They're at a fork in the road, if they plan of keeping Randle then the best way to maximize his talent is to put a stretch 5 next to him. If they're going another direction then maybe you keep the rim runners, but even then it's an antiquated role with a ceiling on what you can achieve in a league where the elite centers do multiple things. The threat of shooting from a C is a true weapon, the Pacers played the Celtics better than anyone so far because Turner has to be respected outside.



Mitch is injured entirely too much, he's missed more games since 2020 than Kristaps and Embiid, that is untenable whether you like him or not. He is unreliable and doesn't reach their high points.

Embiid
224 games

Kristaps
216


Mitch
193

I agree with what Cap said. I'm for upgrading the C position. Adding Kp last year would have done that even though he is also injured a lot, I hold grudges, and he has a weird case.

I think the best likely case to do this is how you mentioned - through the draft. Also this would help manage the cap situation. But until then you get to watch him dominate on defense and the glass while clogging up the lane on the offensive end.

Actually use the draft picks, move up and take Ware, move Mitch and then sign some other garbage man so that when Tom gets cold feet about playing a rookie we have a backup he can revert to that ultimately **** us over just the same.

We will never win with the garbage man center and no alternative to pivot off that playstyle, the sun has set on that player.

haven’t really scouted ware much at all.. does he show any semblance of an offensive repertoire?

[Capn'O]

I agree with what Cap said. I'm for upgrading the C position. Adding Kp last year would have done that even though he is also injured a lot, I hold grudges, and he has a weird case.

I think the best likely case to do this is how you mentioned - through the draft. Also this would help manage the cap situation. But until then you get to watch him dominate on defense and the glass while clogging up the lane on the offensive end.

Actually use the draft picks, move up and take Ware, move Mitch and then sign some other garbage man so that when Tom gets cold feet about playing a rookie we have a backup he can revert to that ultimately **** us over just the same.

We will never win with the garbage man center and no alternative to pivot off that playstyle, the sun has set on that player.

haven’t really scouted ware much at all.. does he show any semblance of an offensive repertoire?

Yes. Good 3pt% and a growing arsenal within 10-15 ft.

Big question with him is consistency/motor.

[Guano]

A jump shooting big with motor issues

[Guano]

They're at a fork in the road, if they plan of keeping Randle then the best way to maximize his talent is to put a stretch 5 next to him. If they're going another direction then maybe you keep the rim runners, but even then it's an antiquated role with a ceiling on what you can achieve in a league where the elite centers do multiple things. The threat of shooting from a C is a true weapon, the Pacers played the Celtics better than anyone so far because Turner has to be respected outside.



Mitch is injured entirely too much, he's missed more games since 2020 than Kristaps and Embiid, that is untenable whether you like him or not. He is unreliable and doesn't reach their high points.

Embiid
224 games

Kristaps
216


Mitch
193

I agree with what Cap said. I'm for upgrading the C position. Adding Kp last year would have done that even though he is also injured a lot, I hold grudges, and he has a weird case.

I think the best likely case to do this is how you mentioned - through the draft. Also this would help manage the cap situation. But until then you get to watch him dominate on defense and the glass while clogging up the lane on the offensive end.

Actually use the draft picks, move up and take Ware, move Mitch and then sign some other garbage man so that when Tom gets cold feet about playing a rookie we have a backup he can revert to that ultimately **** us over just the same.

We will never win with the garbage man center and no alternative to pivot off that playstyle, the sun has set on that player.

Idk, the mavs were a nutritionist away from winning this year with rim runners

[WargamesX]

A jump shooting big with motor issues

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I agree with what Cap said. I'm for upgrading the C position. Adding Kp last year would have done that even though he is also injured a lot, I hold grudges, and he has a weird case.

I think the best likely case to do this is how you mentioned - through the draft. Also this would help manage the cap situation. But until then you get to watch him dominate on defense and the glass while clogging up the lane on the offensive end.

Actually use the draft picks, move up and take Ware, move Mitch and then sign some other garbage man so that when Tom gets cold feet about playing a rookie we have a backup he can revert to that ultimately **** us over just the same.

We will never win with the garbage man center and no alternative to pivot off that playstyle, the sun has set on that player.

Idk, the mavs were a nutritionist away from winning this year with rim runners

Their best rim runner is on a rookie contract, you gotta go back 8 years to find a rim runner on a high salary that won a title, and that was Tristan Thompson.

They're talking about Ihart may get 4 years $70-100 million, and Mitch plays around half the games during a season, we're ****.

[HarthorneWingo]

They're at a fork in the road, if they plan of keeping Randle then the best way to maximize his talent is to put a stretch 5 next to him. If they're going another direction then maybe you keep the rim runners, but even then it's an antiquated role with a ceiling on what you can achieve in a league where the elite centers do multiple things. The threat of shooting from a C is a true weapon, the Pacers played the Celtics better than anyone so far because Turner has to be respected outside.



Mitch is injured entirely too much, he's missed more games since 2020 than Kristaps and Embiid, that is untenable whether you like him or not. He is unreliable and doesn't reach their high points.

Embiid
224 games

Kristaps
216


Mitch
193

I agree with what Cap said. I'm for upgrading the C position. Adding Kp last year would have done that even though he is also injured a lot, I hold grudges, and he has a weird case.

I think the best likely case to do this is how you mentioned - through the draft. Also this would help manage the cap situation. But until then you get to watch him dominate on defense and the glass while clogging up the lane on the offensive end.

Kel'el Ware fits the profile but who knows if he pans.

Thibs would NEVER go for starting Ware at center. And then what would we do when Ware is in perpetual foul trouble?

[Wildcat]

joel ain’t ask out of philly yet ?

If the Sixers don’t sign anybody then I could see him asking out

I have a feeling Lebron will opt out and sign with the 76ers. Lakers shed $50M, get under the luxury tax and, trade Anthony Davis to a center hungry team. LeBron probably feels teaming with Embiid/Maxey in the East is better for career longevity and a path to the Finals.

You got the wrong feeling, mate.

[3toheadmelo]

They're at a fork in the road, if they plan of keeping Randle then the best way to maximize his talent is to put a stretch 5 next to him. If they're going another direction then maybe you keep the rim runners, but even then it's an antiquated role with a ceiling on what you can achieve in a league where the elite centers do multiple things. The threat of shooting from a C is a true weapon, the Pacers played the Celtics better than anyone so far because Turner has to be respected outside.



Mitch is injured entirely too much, he's missed more games since 2020 than Kristaps and Embiid, that is untenable whether you like him or not. He is unreliable and doesn't reach their high points.

Embiid
224 games

Kristaps
216


Mitch
193

I agree with what Cap said. I'm for upgrading the C position. Adding Kp last year would have done that even though he is also injured a lot, I hold grudges, and he has a weird case.

I think the best likely case to do this is how you mentioned - through the draft. Also this would help manage the cap situation. But until then you get to watch him dominate on defense and the glass while clogging up the lane on the offensive end.

Actually use the draft picks, move up and take Ware, move Mitch and then sign some other garbage man so that when Tom gets cold feet about playing a rookie we have a backup he can revert to that ultimately **** us over just the same.

We will never win with the garbage man center and no alternative to pivot off that playstyle, the sun has set on that player.

as long as we trade mitch so sham can sufffer, im happy

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I agree with what Cap said. I'm for upgrading the C position. Adding Kp last year would have done that even though he is also injured a lot, I hold grudges, and he has a weird case.

I think the best likely case to do this is how you mentioned - through the draft. Also this would help manage the cap situation. But until then you get to watch him dominate on defense and the glass while clogging up the lane on the offensive end.

Kel'el Ware fits the profile but who knows if he pans.

Thibs would NEVER go for starting Ware at center. And then what would we do when Ware is in perpetual foul trouble?

IHart would be the starter, Ware would be the big off the bench. Sign a Mason Plumlee type when Tom inevitably decides to not play the rookie. The point is you're not winning the title with these type of centers anymore, they are too easy to game plan for over a long series.

I will keep repeating this, the Celtics had a defensive rim runner, and with all their talent even they decided that they needed more shooting / scoring from the 5 spot. And even with Kristaps out they still have another center that can shoot and defend.

[WargamesX]

Kel'el Ware fits the profile but who knows if he pans.

Thibs would NEVER go for starting Ware at center. And then what would we do when Ware is in perpetual foul trouble?

IHart would be the starter, Ware would be the big off the bench. Sign a Mason Plumlee type when Tom inevitably decides to not play the rookie. The point is you're not winning the title with these type of centers anymore, they are too easy to game plan for over a long series.

I will keep repeating this, the Celtics had a defensive rim runner, and with all their talent even they decided that they needed more shooting / scoring from the 5 spot. And even with Kristaps out they still have another center that can shoot and defend.

I don’t like the idea of trying to run it back with a rookie Center as the backup. There isn’t any reason to break up that successful center tandem. We can’t give IHart more money if we ship Mitch out & Mitch’s contract is designed to shrink every year. Combined they make less than Gobert and can be just and impactful.

Also KP has played two games this whole playoffs. Horford and rim running centers have been holding it down.

[Guano]

I agree with what Cap said. I'm for upgrading the C position. Adding Kp last year would have done that even though he is also injured a lot, I hold grudges, and he has a weird case.

I think the best likely case to do this is how you mentioned - through the draft. Also this would help manage the cap situation. But until then you get to watch him dominate on defense and the glass while clogging up the lane on the offensive end.

Actually use the draft picks, move up and take Ware, move Mitch and then sign some other garbage man so that when Tom gets cold feet about playing a rookie we have a backup he can revert to that ultimately **** us over just the same.

We will never win with the garbage man center and no alternative to pivot off that playstyle, the sun has set on that player.

as long as we trade mitch so sham can sufffer, im happy

they don't make strong enough menthols for sham if they dump his boy mitch for a lazy jump shooting big

[Ghetto Gospel]

AD theoretically is a perfect fit for the THibodeau system. He gives us the semi stretch 4/5 we sorely need.

AD has never been a good 3 point shooter and hasn't had a good mid-range game in years

It's why I used the term SEMI lol....Mid range hasn't been horrible though. Also he brings a defensive tenacity that KAT for instance simply doesnt have.

his mid-range really has been horrible for years and he takes so many of em. his shot was only really good in the bubble playoffs

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

Thibs would NEVER go for starting Ware at center. And then what would we do when Ware is in perpetual foul trouble?

IHart would be the starter, Ware would be the big off the bench. Sign a Mason Plumlee type when Tom inevitably decides to not play the rookie. The point is you're not winning the title with these type of centers anymore, they are too easy to game plan for over a long series.

I will keep repeating this, the Celtics had a defensive rim runner, and with all their talent even they decided that they needed more shooting / scoring from the 5 spot. And even with Kristaps out they still have another center that can shoot and defend.

I don’t like the idea of trying to run it back with a rookie Center as the backup. There isn’t any reason to break up that successful center tandem. We can’t give IHart more money if we ship Mitch out & Mitch’s contract is designed to shrink every year. Combined they make less than Gobert and can be just and impactful.

Also KP has played two games this whole playoffs. Horford and rim running centers have been holding it down.

If you want to win a title you break it up, especially since 1 of them cannot stay healthy. They aren't as good as Gobert, and he hasn't won anything. At some point in time in the playoffs you're going to run into a 5 out team, whether it's a team where the C can hit threes or they can pass, it's going to happen and when it does you're most likely going to lose. The Mavs made it to the finals with a rookie C as a backup/starter, the problem isn't that he's a rookie, it's that whether he's good or not the coach wont play him even if he's productive.



Horford isn't a rim runner, he's a 3 & D center, he's shooting 35% on threes and 5 attempts per game. They played Kornet a grand total of three minutes in this series, Tillman played last game and hit a three. They do not want anyone on the floor that can't hit threes right now. Rim runners are an antiquated player type, especially if you have a PF like Randle, every single team with big PFs like that want shooting C's next to them (Lopez / Giannis, Siakam /Turner, Zion / Jonas). What you guys are arguing for is basically the Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan tandem which couldn't win, but this time, this time will be different.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Lively just hit a three too

[mpharris36]

I don't necessarily think rim runners are completely antiquated. I don't think you need to have a 5 out team to win it all. I do agree its probably not ideal to have a Randle type PF and a center that can't shoot. That isn't "ideal" spacing.

But if the knicks went with like OG at the PF position and invested in another wing that could shoot I think they could be fine with a rim running type center. Dallas made it out of the west with 2 rim runners at center.
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