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[mpharris36]

Lively just hit a three too

he's a rim runner tho...that may be his first 3 pt attempt of the season.

[Nazrmohamed]

A jump shooting big with motor issues

Lmao just perfect

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I don't necessarily think rim runners are completely antiquated. I don't think you need to have a 5 out team to win it all. I do agree its probably not ideal to have a Randle type PF and a center that can't shoot. That isn't "ideal" spacing.

But if the knicks went with like OG at the PF position and invested in another wing that could shoot I think they could be fine with a rim running type center. Dallas made it out of the west with 2 rim runners at center.
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Is the goal to make it to the finals or to win it though. I think the only way to the title with them is if they're on value / minimum deals or rookie contracts, outside of that it's a waste of money to have a guy on your team with low skills that the opposing team can switch a big wing onto.

The last decade of basketball has given the book on how to beat the teams with those players, we've had 1 team with a rim runner on a high salary do it, and it was a Bron team. The Warriors never spent money on their centers because Draymond was their center that mattered. The Raptors traded Jonas for Marc Gasol because he could shoot the three and Jonas at the time couldn't, even the Lakers won when AD was actually hitting threes in the bubble. Teams just know how to defend it.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Lively just hit a three too

he's a rim runner tho...that may be his first 3 pt attempt of the season.

He's on a rookie deal, he's making $4.7 million this year, if Mitch and IHart were making that kind of money I'd be fine with it. I like IHart, but he's no longer going to be a value deal if he gets 4 years $70-100 million, and I don't think you can bank on Mitch being healthy, so something has to give.

[Guano]

A jump shooting big with motor issues

Lmao just perfect

honestly i'd be okay with us taking that prospect in the 20s - either he is going to get motivated with this coach/squad or end up hating basketball.

sims needs to be replaced.

[mpharris36]

I don't necessarily think rim runners are completely antiquated. I don't think you need to have a 5 out team to win it all. I do agree its probably not ideal to have a Randle type PF and a center that can't shoot. That isn't "ideal" spacing.

But if the knicks went with like OG at the PF position and invested in another wing that could shoot I think they could be fine with a rim running type center. Dallas made it out of the west with 2 rim runners at center.
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Is the goal to make it to the finals or to win it though. I think the only way to the title with them is if they're on value / minimum deals or rookie contracts, outside of that it's a waste of money to have a guy on your team with low skills that the opposing team can switch a big wing onto.

The last decade of basketball has given the book on how to beat the teams with those players, we've had 1 team with a rim runner on a high salary do it, and it was a Bron team. The Warriors never spent money on their centers because Draymond was their center that mattered. The Raptors traded Jonas for Marc Gasol because he could shoot the three and Jonas at the time couldn't, even the Lakers won when AD was actually hitting threes in the bubble. Teams just know how to defend it.

Yeah but the celtics are just better than the Mavs. Being a finals teams doesn't mean you are running an antiquated system just because you are going up against the more talented team. As much as KP and Horford are huge pieces to help space the floor...I can equally say having 5 guys in the lineup that can guard especially having two of the best defensive guards is just and important. Then factor in Brown is a good defender and Tatum is not bad either its tough to attack a team with no weak spots.

I just think Brunson is that talented offensively that I don't think its a must to have a 5 out offense around him to have our offense good enough to win it. I think you just want to build an elite defense around him and have enough shooting. It would be nice to get a really trust worthy second option (not sure I buy randle being that guy).

[mpharris36]

Lively just hit a three too

he's a rim runner tho...that may be his first 3 pt attempt of the season.

He's on a rookie deal, he's making $4.7 million this year, if Mitch and IHart were making that kind of money I'd be fine with it. I like IHart, but he's no longer going to be a value deal if he gets 4 years $70-100 million, and I don't think you can bank on Mitch being healthy, so something has to give.

we are over the cap though...unless its preventing us from improving I'm not sure its catastrophic to our roster building They have been proactive in trades like OG (to get bird rights) and then I think they plan on using the Bogs contract to gets someone else.

For example if Ihart leaves its not like we can just replace that money with someone else.

I agree in theory that roster building wise finding and paying rim runners is not a major priority. Need to find your #1, #2 options, and then those role playing floor spacing defenders. But I do think we have a lot of that already from a knicks perspective especially with Brunson ascending to a legit #1 option. So I don't think paying ihart prevents us from roster building because we are already a team over the cap. So a little different position then say OKC.

[Guano]

Actually use the draft picks, move up and take Ware, move Mitch and then sign some other garbage man so that when Tom gets cold feet about playing a rookie we have a backup he can revert to that ultimately **** us over just the same.

We will never win with the garbage man center and no alternative to pivot off that playstyle, the sun has set on that player.

Idk, the mavs were a nutritionist away from winning this year with rim runners

Their best rim runner is on a rookie contract, you gotta go back 8 years to find a rim runner on a high salary that won a title, and that was Tristan Thompson.

They're talking about Ihart may get 4 years $70-100 million, and Mitch plays around half the games during a season, we're ****.

giving ihart that deal isn't bad if they move mitch for a cheaper backup

what's more concerning is we need a legit number 1b next to brunson. i'm not sold on the detroit/dallas path to a championship - those are outliers not the norm. teams need two legit stars to win it all.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I don't necessarily think rim runners are completely antiquated. I don't think you need to have a 5 out team to win it all. I do agree its probably not ideal to have a Randle type PF and a center that can't shoot. That isn't "ideal" spacing.

But if the knicks went with like OG at the PF position and invested in another wing that could shoot I think they could be fine with a rim running type center. Dallas made it out of the west with 2 rim runners at center.
"

Is the goal to make it to the finals or to win it though. I think the only way to the title with them is if they're on value / minimum deals or rookie contracts, outside of that it's a waste of money to have a guy on your team with low skills that the opposing team can switch a big wing onto.

The last decade of basketball has given the book on how to beat the teams with those players, we've had 1 team with a rim runner on a high salary do it, and it was a Bron team. The Warriors never spent money on their centers because Draymond was their center that mattered. The Raptors traded Jonas for Marc Gasol because he could shoot the three and Jonas at the time couldn't, even the Lakers won when AD was actually hitting threes in the bubble. Teams just know how to defend it.

Yeah but the celtics are just better than the Mavs. Being a finals teams doesn't mean you are running an antiquated system just because you are going up against the more talented team. As much as KP and Horford are huge pieces to help space the floor...I can equally say having 5 guys in the lineup that can guard especially having two of the best defensive guards is just and important. Then factor in Brown is a good defender and Tatum is not bad either its tough to attack a team with no weak spots.

I just think Brunson is that talented offensively that I don't think its a must to have a 5 out offense around him to have our offense good enough to win it. I think you just want to build an elite defense around him and have enough shooting. It would be nice to get a really trust worthy second option (not sure I buy randle being that guy).

The more talented team is generally going to be the team doing something outside the box. We aren't seeing those types of teams winning anymore, they're usually the runner up. We saw the Celtics with other configurations, they had Smart/White at one point and they got to the finals but the philosophy change is why they're most likely going to win the title, they've always had talent but dumping their own rim runner has to be a factor in it.


Think of how much better Brunson would be if he had a 5 man that could pick and roll, or pick and pop. The goal should be making life easier for him, and having a more offensively talented center would do wonders for that. Think of how much harder it would be to stop him if the opposing center couldn't help off his man. It also needs to be said, look at what's in the west, you have Jokic and then the two young bigs like the Alien and Chet, we're on the clock to win the title before they can get a calorie rich diet.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

he's a rim runner tho...that may be his first 3 pt attempt of the season.

He's on a rookie deal, he's making $4.7 million this year, if Mitch and IHart were making that kind of money I'd be fine with it. I like IHart, but he's no longer going to be a value deal if he gets 4 years $70-100 million, and I don't think you can bank on Mitch being healthy, so something has to give.

we are over the cap though...unless its preventing us from improving I'm not sure its catastrophic to our roster building They have been proactive in trades like OG (to get bird rights) and then I think they plan on using the Bogs contract to gets someone else.

For example if Ihart leaves its not like we can just replace that money with someone else.

Resign IHart, trade Mitch, draft Ware and then sign some low skilled rim runner to a vet deal so Tom has his guy he can go to when Ware plays poorly off the bench.


We cannot have a team with OG and Mitch on it next year, they're both going to miss time.

[mpharris36]

Is the goal to make it to the finals or to win it though. I think the only way to the title with them is if they're on value / minimum deals or rookie contracts, outside of that it's a waste of money to have a guy on your team with low skills that the opposing team can switch a big wing onto.

The last decade of basketball has given the book on how to beat the teams with those players, we've had 1 team with a rim runner on a high salary do it, and it was a Bron team. The Warriors never spent money on their centers because Draymond was their center that mattered. The Raptors traded Jonas for Marc Gasol because he could shoot the three and Jonas at the time couldn't, even the Lakers won when AD was actually hitting threes in the bubble. Teams just know how to defend it.

Yeah but the celtics are just better than the Mavs. Being a finals teams doesn't mean you are running an antiquated system just because you are going up against the more talented team. As much as KP and Horford are huge pieces to help space the floor...I can equally say having 5 guys in the lineup that can guard especially having two of the best defensive guards is just and important. Then factor in Brown is a good defender and Tatum is not bad either its tough to attack a team with no weak spots.

I just think Brunson is that talented offensively that I don't think its a must to have a 5 out offense around him to have our offense good enough to win it. I think you just want to build an elite defense around him and have enough shooting. It would be nice to get a really trust worthy second option (not sure I buy randle being that guy).

The more talented team is generally going to be the team doing something outside the box. We aren't seeing those types of teams winning anymore, they're usually the runner up. We saw the Celtics with other configurations, they had Smart/White at one point and they got to the finals but the philosophy change is why they're most likely going to win the title, they've always had talent but dumping their own rim runner has to be a factor in it.


Think of how much better Brunson would be if he had a 5 man that could pick and roll, or pick and pop. The goal should be making life easier for him, and having a more offensively talented center would do wonders for that. Think of how much harder it would be to stop him if the opposing center couldn't help off his man. It also needs to be said, look at what's in the west, you have Jokic and then the two young bigs like the Alien and Chet, we're on the clock to win the title before they can get a calorie rich diet.

Yeah but the difference from say Smart to Jrue is like night and day. Smart is a great defender but he's a dummy. His shot selection stinks and isn't the same connective type piece that Jrue is.

Its not just a floor spacing 5 though. You need that guy to be able to defend and protect the rim as well. Otherwise then you have a Kelly Olynyk on your hands and that isn't winning you anything eithe.

So sure in an ideal state having a KP (if he's healthy) or a Wemby would be awesome. Having a center that can defend and protect the paint while being about to be a floor spacer is just so rare in the sense you can't simple bank of finding that. Because you still have guys like Jokic or Embiid that will tear up soft floor spacing centers if they can't hold up and defend the paint either.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Idk, the mavs were a nutritionist away from winning this year with rim runners

Their best rim runner is on a rookie contract, you gotta go back 8 years to find a rim runner on a high salary that won a title, and that was Tristan Thompson.

They're talking about Ihart may get 4 years $70-100 million, and Mitch plays around half the games during a season, we're ****.

giving ihart that deal isn't bad if they move mitch for a cheaper backup

what's more concerning is we need a legit number 1b next to brunson. i'm not sold on the detroit/dallas path to a championship - those are outliers not the norm. teams need two legit stars to win it all.

It's a lot of money total for 2 centers if 1 of them is always injured, trade Mitch and just sign Drummond or Jonas for half the money Mitch gets, and draft a young center.


I don't think they're helping Randle with his frontcourt mate, they should have looked for a stretch big to play next to him a long time ago if they're really invested in him. All these driving PFs are paired up with floor spacers, except for him. And the coach refuses to play him as a smallball 5, which would mitigate some of the need for a stretch big.

[mpharris36]

He's on a rookie deal, he's making $4.7 million this year, if Mitch and IHart were making that kind of money I'd be fine with it. I like IHart, but he's no longer going to be a value deal if he gets 4 years $70-100 million, and I don't think you can bank on Mitch being healthy, so something has to give.

we are over the cap though...unless its preventing us from improving I'm not sure its catastrophic to our roster building They have been proactive in trades like OG (to get bird rights) and then I think they plan on using the Bogs contract to gets someone else.

For example if Ihart leaves its not like we can just replace that money with someone else.

Resign IHart, trade Mitch, draft Ware and then sign some low skilled rim runner to a vet deal so Tom has his guy he can go to when Ware plays poorly off the bench.


We cannot have a team with OG and Mitch on it next year, they're both going to miss time.

See thats another story....yes I agree the OG and Mitch health issues are a legit concern...that is less about rim running and more about investing in "healthier" players.

I'm not sure I buy Ware....he has legit motor concerns. Is he going to be a Christian Wood? Also he shot 63% from the FT line that typically is a good correlation if a guy eventually can shoot. Not the end all be all...but I don't know if the low motor stuff plays with Thibs.

There are some interesting bigs later in the 1st that probably can play some backup 5 and shoot a bit. Thinking like Holmes or Smith.

[8516knicks]

Idk, the mavs were a nutritionist away from winning this year with rim runners

Their best rim runner is on a rookie contract, you gotta go back 8 years to find a rim runner on a high salary that won a title, and that was Tristan Thompson.

They're talking about Ihart may get 4 years $70-100 million, and Mitch plays around half the games during a season, we're ****.

giving ihart that deal isn't bad if they move mitch for a cheaper backup

what's more concerning is we need a legit number 1b next to brunson. i'm not sold on the detroit/dallas path to a championship - those are outliers not the norm. teams need two legit stars to win it all.

Like Denver?

[Guano]

Their best rim runner is on a rookie contract, you gotta go back 8 years to find a rim runner on a high salary that won a title, and that was Tristan Thompson.

They're talking about Ihart may get 4 years $70-100 million, and Mitch plays around half the games during a season, we're ****.

giving ihart that deal isn't bad if they move mitch for a cheaper backup

what's more concerning is we need a legit number 1b next to brunson. i'm not sold on the detroit/dallas path to a championship - those are outliers not the norm. teams need two legit stars to win it all.

Like Denver?

this is jamal murray slander

[Guano]

Their best rim runner is on a rookie contract, you gotta go back 8 years to find a rim runner on a high salary that won a title, and that was Tristan Thompson.

They're talking about Ihart may get 4 years $70-100 million, and Mitch plays around half the games during a season, we're ****.

giving ihart that deal isn't bad if they move mitch for a cheaper backup

what's more concerning is we need a legit number 1b next to brunson. i'm not sold on the detroit/dallas path to a championship - those are outliers not the norm. teams need two legit stars to win it all.

It's a lot of money total for 2 centers if 1 of them is always injured, trade Mitch and just sign Drummond or Jonas for half the money Mitch gets, and draft a young center.


I don't think they're helping Randle with his frontcourt mate, they should have looked for a stretch big to play next to him a long time ago if they're really invested in him. All these driving PFs are paired up with floor spacers, except for him. And the coach refuses to play him as a smallball 5, which would mitigate some of the need for a stretch big.

you had me at drumgawd

the randle situation is going to be interesting. paying him big money with his postseason struggles, and he is starting to look a lil injury prone, too. would have been nice to see how he fared in these playoffs before making a decision on his contract.

[Capn'O]

The Celtics don't have some magic system. They have Kristaps Porzingis and a bunch of other really good players. Except tonight they didn't and in their second game without a core player they couldn't find lightning in a bottle and got spanked. Notably, they did not try to utilize stretch big Luke Kornet in his place, opting for Tillman instead, because Kornet sucks.

KP is a game changer for them the same way Draymond was for the Warriors. He can do everything with aptitude. Shoot, post, rim run, defend in space, guard the post, and he can even pass a little now. A perfect glue guy who can occasionally dominate.

I agree we need a guy like him and would have loved if we were the ones that paid the low price to get him back. But we didn't. Again, we don't need a stretch big. We need a dynamic, multi tool big. And those ain't easy to find. Until we get that or iHart's role changes there's no reason to just dump Mitch. He won us Philly.

[Capn'O]

we are over the cap though...unless its preventing us from improving I'm not sure its catastrophic to our roster building They have been proactive in trades like OG (to get bird rights) and then I think they plan on using the Bogs contract to gets someone else.

For example if Ihart leaves its not like we can just replace that money with someone else.

Resign IHart, trade Mitch, draft Ware and then sign some low skilled rim runner to a vet deal so Tom has his guy he can go to when Ware plays poorly off the bench.


We cannot have a team with OG and Mitch on it next year, they're both going to miss time.

See thats another story....yes I agree the OG and Mitch health issues are a legit concern...that is less about rim running and more about investing in "healthier" players.

I'm not sure I buy Ware....he has legit motor concerns. Is he going to be a Christian Wood? Also he shot 63% from the FT line that typically is a good correlation if a guy eventually can shoot. Not the end all be all...but I don't know if the low motor stuff plays with Thibs.

There are some interesting bigs later in the 1st that probably can play some backup 5 and shoot a bit. Thinking like Holmes or Smith.

The thing about Ware is...

Who else you getting this draft?

[mpharris36]

Resign IHart, trade Mitch, draft Ware and then sign some low skilled rim runner to a vet deal so Tom has his guy he can go to when Ware plays poorly off the bench.


We cannot have a team with OG and Mitch on it next year, they're both going to miss time.

See thats another story....yes I agree the OG and Mitch health issues are a legit concern...that is less about rim running and more about investing in "healthier" players.

I'm not sure I buy Ware....he has legit motor concerns. Is he going to be a Christian Wood? Also he shot 63% from the FT line that typically is a good correlation if a guy eventually can shoot. Not the end all be all...but I don't know if the low motor stuff plays with Thibs.

There are some interesting bigs later in the 1st that probably can play some backup 5 and shoot a bit. Thinking like Holmes or Smith.

The thing about Ware is...

Who else you getting this draft?

fair...if they do end up making multiple selections I'm not sure the direction they will go with but a common theme for guys that Walt Perrin looks for. Tough, hard working, not a turnstile defensively.

IQ
Grimes
McBride

I don't think Obi was a Perrin pick (that was a leon pick)

Not sure Ware fits that mold.

[Capn'O]

See thats another story....yes I agree the OG and Mitch health issues are a legit concern...that is less about rim running and more about investing in "healthier" players.

I'm not sure I buy Ware....he has legit motor concerns. Is he going to be a Christian Wood? Also he shot 63% from the FT line that typically is a good correlation if a guy eventually can shoot. Not the end all be all...but I don't know if the low motor stuff plays with Thibs.

There are some interesting bigs later in the 1st that probably can play some backup 5 and shoot a bit. Thinking like Holmes or Smith.

The thing about Ware is...

Who else you getting this draft?

fair...if they do end up making multiple selections I'm not sure the direction they will go with but a common theme for guys that Walt Perrin looks for. Tough, hard working, not a turnstile defensively.

IQ
Grimes
McBride

I don't think Obi was a Perrin pick (that was a leon pick)

Not sure Ware fits that mold.

Is he that bad defensively?

That's the other thing. Like, Nic Vucevic will probably be available this summer and I'll take a defensive stalwart like Mitch 8 times before a dynamic offensive player who's also a turnstile at the bigs. Rim runner might not be a champion but no defense from your big is a loser.