Wizards/Magic

[Nyce_1]

Wiz send: S&T Tyus Jones
Wiz recieve: Cole Anthony

Magic send: Cole Anthony
Magic receive: Tyus Jones via S&T

Why for Washington? Instead of losing Tyus for nothing, they get back a suitable young PG with a more scoring game and a bit of potential. Cole may even show enough to earn a starting role. An asset, none the less.

Why for Orlando: simply swapping out 1 small PG for another small PG, with a different game that may fit this team better. Orl could easily sign Tyus without assistance, but the FO also tries to look out for its players, so they send Cole somewhere he could potentially earn a starter role. In addition, Orl preserves cap space to shop for other wants & needs.

[Skybox]

Tyus would be great, assuming the contract is not beyond his efficient, but limited, contribution. Cole gets $13m, which I think is fair for him and could end up being a bargain for WAS if he gets more of a featured role than he would in ORL. I wouldn't want to pay more than $17m for Tyus and I wouldn't pay him that much if not for the fact that we were sending out a good portion of it to preserve more cap space for a guard who can score in bunches.

I love the idea of Tyus a 3rd guard, who could play significant minutes with either starter (Suggs & Monk?) and clean up the offense when it gets a little wild. I really like Tyus for ORL as long as people aren't expecting him to lead the team to the promised land.

[Godaddycurse]

Dont like the idea of anthony in washington with poole there already

[nate33]

What concerns me about Cole Anthony is that he is playing in the perfect situation for him. Orlando is in desperate need of guard play and shooting, and they even have Suggs to cover for him defensively and guard the opposition's best offensive guard. And yet, despite all that, Anthony only managed to play 22 minutes a game. Also, he regressed a bit this year with much poorer shooting efficiency and more turnovers despite the same usage.

If you are only getting 22 minutes a game on a team in dire need of guard play, you are clearly just a backup PG. And I don't want to be in the business of paying a backup PG $13M a year. I'd rather just let Tyus walk and use the cap room to sign someone else or to buy a bad contract in exchange for a pick.

[Texas Chuck]

I think Washington just let Jones walk over taking back Anthony.

But I think you could send Anthony to a 3rd team with an expiring to Washington and some 2nds from Orlando and its fine. Orlando uses the 2nds to essentially dump Anthony's money. Washington picks up some assets for taking on a one year deal and another team gets a bench scorer.

[daoneandonly]

Washington should be owed some value here. Cole isn't very good

[Skybox]

Washington should be owed some value here. Cole isn't very good

But WAS doesn't have any rights to Tyus...their choice is what's offered or just take the cap space.

[daoneandonly]

Washington should be owed some value here. Cole isn't very good

But WAS doesn't have any rights to Tyus...their choice is what's offered or just take the cap space.

I think cap space is better than Cole, especially for a team in Washington's position who are already paying losing guys like Poole and Kuz

[gswhoops]

Washington should be owed some value here. Cole isn't very good

But WAS doesn't have any rights to Tyus...their choice is what's offered or just take the cap space.

I think cap space is better than Cole, especially for a team in Washington's position who are already paying losing guys like Poole and Kuz

Agreed. Washington is doing Orlando a favor here by helping them get a better player without eating into their cap space. They’re owed value.

[tiderulz]

Washington should be owed some value here. Cole isn't very good

But WAS doesn't have any rights to Tyus...their choice is what's offered or just take the cap space.

I think cap space is better than Cole, especially for a team in Washington's position who are already paying losing guys like Poole and Kuz

i think Cole is getting some really undeserved hate on this thread. He is what he is, a bench scoring PG, nothing wrong with that

[Skybox]

But WAS doesn't have any rights to Tyus...their choice is what's offered or just take the cap space.

I think cap space is better than Cole, especially for a team in Washington's position who are already paying losing guys like Poole and Kuz

i think Cole is getting some really undeserved hate on this thread. He is what he is, a bench scoring PG, nothing wrong with that

Absolutely agree...he's not a guy you build around, but he contributes big scoring nights on occasion, one of the best teammates ever, probably among league leaders in rebounding for guards and is absolutely fearless when the lights are bright. I'd love to see him make it to NYK (where he grew up and his Dad is an icon). He can dunk a little too

[daoneandonly]

But WAS doesn't have any rights to Tyus...their choice is what's offered or just take the cap space.

I think cap space is better than Cole, especially for a team in Washington's position who are already paying losing guys like Poole and Kuz

i think Cole is getting some really undeserved hate on this thread. He is what he is, a bench scoring PG, nothing wrong with that

He's better than Kuz and Poole all things considered sure, but Tyus and cap space have more value to me

[Godaddycurse]

But WAS doesn't have any rights to Tyus...their choice is what's offered or just take the cap space.

I think cap space is better than Cole, especially for a team in Washington's position who are already paying losing guys like Poole and Kuz

i think Cole is getting some really undeserved hate on this thread. He is what he is, a bench scoring PG, nothing wrong with that

nothing wrong with that on its own but there's something wrong w/ wanting a team w/ poole already occupying the same role at double the cost to take anthony on for no incentive

[Skybox]

Last two takes are certainly reasonable. Poole is unbelievably disappointing. Maybe they just ride out his deal and don't factor him into their decisions...I'm still shocked at his crash. I was absolutely on Team Poole getting a turn in the driver's seat...

I hear POR might draft Clingan with $35m Ayton stinking up the joint.

IF WAS FO saw something in Cole...it'd be a steal to give him a look. I understand if they don't. Poole shouldn't matter...maybe bring him off the bench and try to shake things up. There was room for Tyus...another undersized PG. Admittedly much more efficient and reliable but also far less explosive and lower nightly upside than Cole.

[mhd]

Last two takes are certainly reasonable. Poole is unbelievably disappointing. Maybe they just ride out his deal and don't factor him into their decisions...I'm still shocked at his crash. I was absolutely on Team Poole getting a turn in the driver's seat...

I hear POR might draft Clingan with $35m Ayton stinking up the joint.

IF WAS FO saw something in Cole...it'd be a steal to give him a look. I understand if they don't. Poole shouldn't matter...maybe bring him off the bench and try to shake things up. There was room for Tyus...another undersized PG. Admittedly much more efficient and reliable but also far less explosive and lower nightly upside than Cole.

To be fair, Poole played MUCH better once he became the starting PG when Tyus went down with an injury and was done for the year. With the 90% rule and the Wizards assured of tanking for the next two years to keep their pick, they have no need for immediate cap space. Dumping Poole isn't a concern for them.

As for Jones vs. Anthony, it is no contest. Jones is a markedly better shooter, doesn't turn the ball over at all, has a wicked floater, and is elite at A/T ratio every year. His a horrible defender to be fair that is mainly due to his size.

The Wizards would rather let Jones go for free than take on Anthony and not use those minutes to evaluate a young PG (like someone they may draft at 26 or Jared Butler who showed promise at the end of the year when Tyus went down).

[penbeast0]

I think cap space is better than Cole, especially for a team in Washington's position who are already paying losing guys like Poole and Kuz

i think Cole is getting some really undeserved hate on this thread. He is what he is, a bench scoring PG, nothing wrong with that

He's better than Kuz and Poole all things considered sure, but Tyus and cap space have more value to me

Better than Poole last year, absolutely, but who wasn't? Better peak than Poole In GS, no. Better than Kuzma, also no. Kuz shoots too much for his ability (as does Anthony) but does more things other than shooting and adds versatility as well.

[wemby]

I think cap space is better than Cole, especially for a team in Washington's position who are already paying losing guys like Poole and Kuz

i think Cole is getting some really undeserved hate on this thread. He is what he is, a bench scoring PG, nothing wrong with that

He's better than Kuz and Poole all things considered sure, but Tyus and cap space have more value to me

"Better than Poole" sounds like "more appetizing than hot manure".

[nate33]

i think Cole is getting some really undeserved hate on this thread. He is what he is, a bench scoring PG, nothing wrong with that

He's better than Kuz and Poole all things considered sure, but Tyus and cap space have more value to me

Better than Poole last year, absolutely, but who wasn't? Better peak than Poole In GS, no. Better than Kuzma, also no. Kuz shoots too much for his ability (as does Anthony) but does more things other than shooting and adds versatility as well.

Yeah, it's ludicrous to argue that Anthony is better than Kuzma. There isn't a team in the league that would take Anthony over Kuzma. Kuzma scores a lot more on the same efficiency, with the same assists, more rebounds, and the ability to be a multi-position defender who is a factor in help defense. Kuzma starts on at least half the teams in this league, and probably closer to two-thirds. Anthony wouldn't start on 5 teams.

Ultimately, size matters... a lot. Neither guy is an efficient scorer, but teams will definitely take the 6-9 guy over the 6-2 guy.

[daoneandonly]

He's better than Kuz and Poole all things considered sure, but Tyus and cap space have more value to me

Better than Poole last year, absolutely, but who wasn't? Better peak than Poole In GS, no. Better than Kuzma, also no. Kuz shoots too much for his ability (as does Anthony) but does more things other than shooting and adds versatility as well.

Yeah, it's ludicrous to argue that Anthony is better than Kuzma. There isn't a team in the league that would take Anthony over Kuzma. Kuzma scores a lot more on the same efficiency, with the same assists, more rebounds, and the ability to be a multi-position defender who is a factor in help defense. Kuzma starts on at least half the teams in this league, and probably closer to two-thirds. Anthony wouldn't start on 5 teams.

Ultimately, size matters... a lot. Neither guy is an efficient scorer, but teams will definitely take the 6-9 guy over the 6-2 guy.

I think u guys skimmed through the "all things considering " piece I mentioned. That encompasses contract and self awareness as it relates to understanding limitations and talent. Someone who doesn't can truly be detrimental to their team's success. And the 3 worst guys in that category in the entire league are Poole, Ayton, and Kuzma

[TGW]

Better than Poole last year, absolutely, but who wasn't? Better peak than Poole In GS, no. Better than Kuzma, also no. Kuz shoots too much for his ability (as does Anthony) but does more things other than shooting and adds versatility as well.

Yeah, it's ludicrous to argue that Anthony is better than Kuzma. There isn't a team in the league that would take Anthony over Kuzma. Kuzma scores a lot more on the same efficiency, with the same assists, more rebounds, and the ability to be a multi-position defender who is a factor in help defense. Kuzma starts on at least half the teams in this league, and probably closer to two-thirds. Anthony wouldn't start on 5 teams.

Ultimately, size matters... a lot. Neither guy is an efficient scorer, but teams will definitely take the 6-9 guy over the 6-2 guy.

I think u guys skimmed through the "all things considering " piece I mentioned. That encompasses contract and self awareness as it relates to understanding limitations and talent. Someone who doesn't can truly be detrimental to their team's success. And the 3 worst guys in that category in the entire league are Poole, Ayton, and Kuzma

Uh huh. And what metric are using to determine this? Last time I checked, all three of those "detrimental" players have rings, so I'd like to see what objectifiable metric you used to come to this conclusion.