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Post#721 » by mpharris36 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:43 am

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The thing about Ware is...

Who else you getting this draft?


fair...if they do end up making multiple selections I'm not sure the direction they will go with but a common theme for guys that Walt Perrin looks for. Tough, hard working, not a turnstile defensively.

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I don't think Obi was a Perrin pick (that was a leon pick)

Not sure Ware fits that mold.


Is he that bad defensively?

That's the other thing. Like, Nic Vucevic will probably be available this summer and I'll take a defensive stalwart like Mitch 8 times before a dynamic offensive player who's also a turnstile at the bigs. Rim runner might not be a champion but no defense from your big is a loser.


If you look at his metrics they arent great. DEF rating, DEF win shares, DEF plus minus all not good. It seems to be his major weakness that he really doesn't try on that end.

Someone with his size speed and wingspan shouldnt have any issues being an impactful defender.

Yeah one of the few bigs that won it all with not being a known defender is Jokic. And he has certainly improved as a defender in recent years but he is a generational offensive player.

Like you said bigs like Vuc never really get far enough to win. Much rather take defensive impact with my bigs than offensive if I had the choice. I can get scoring from guards or wings. Obviously pie in the sky you would love both from a big. But I look for defensive impact before offense.

Teams can exploit bad defensive bigs.
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Post#722 » by Capn'O » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:50 am

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fair...if they do end up making multiple selections I'm not sure the direction they will go with but a common theme for guys that Walt Perrin looks for. Tough, hard working, not a turnstile defensively.

IQ
Grimes
McBride

I don't think Obi was a Perrin pick (that was a leon pick)

Not sure Ware fits that mold.


Is he that bad defensively?

That's the other thing. Like, Nic Vucevic will probably be available this summer and I'll take a defensive stalwart like Mitch 8 times before a dynamic offensive player who's also a turnstile at the bigs. Rim runner might not be a champion but no defense from your big is a loser.


If you look at his metrics they arent great. DEF rating, DEF win shares, DEF plus minus all not good. It seems to be his major weakness that he really doesn't try on that end.

Someone with his size speed and wingspan shouldnt have any issues being an impactful defender.

Yeah one of the few bigs that won it all with not being a known defender is Jokic. And he has certainly improved as a defender in recent years but he is a generational offensive player.

Like you said bigs like Vuc never really get far enough to win. Much rather take defensive impact with my bigs than offensive if I had the choice. I can get scoring from guards or wings. Obviously pie in the sky you would love both from a big. But I look for defensive impact before offense.

Teams can exploit bad defensive bigs.


Jokic is a weird one because all the advanced metrics say he helps your defense but he does NOT pass the eye test there.

That is concerning. He might just be raw and need reps on placements and such. Thibs is a good teacher in that regard. Or he might suck at it. I hope we're at least taking a deep dive because it looks like he's rising.
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Post#723 » by mpharris36 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:57 am

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Is he that bad defensively?

That's the other thing. Like, Nic Vucevic will probably be available this summer and I'll take a defensive stalwart like Mitch 8 times before a dynamic offensive player who's also a turnstile at the bigs. Rim runner might not be a champion but no defense from your big is a loser.


If you look at his metrics they arent great. DEF rating, DEF win shares, DEF plus minus all not good. It seems to be his major weakness that he really doesn't try on that end.

Someone with his size speed and wingspan shouldnt have any issues being an impactful defender.

Yeah one of the few bigs that won it all with not being a known defender is Jokic. And he has certainly improved as a defender in recent years but he is a generational offensive player.

Like you said bigs like Vuc never really get far enough to win. Much rather take defensive impact with my bigs than offensive if I had the choice. I can get scoring from guards or wings. Obviously pie in the sky you would love both from a big. But I look for defensive impact before offense.

Teams can exploit bad defensive bigs.


Jokic is a weird one because all the advanced metrics say he helps your defense but he does NOT pass the eye test there.

That is concerning. He might just be raw and need reps on placements and such. Thibs is a good teacher in that regard. Or he might suck at it. I hope we're at least taking a deep dive because it looks like he's rising.


I just don't know many poor defenders in college that come in and become good defenders in the pros.

Defense is very instinctual. Sure having size, wingspan, and good feet certainly helps. But it's an instinctual/effort thing. If they aren't doing it at the college level I would be concerned.

I know a lot of good defenders at college that have turned the opposite (a lot of times.is because they have to shoulder.more.offensice responsibility). But usually guys come out with at defensive reputation. Not sure many scenarios happened with guys not having a good rep and then becoming impactful on defense.

He gets blocks with his size and wingspan and athleticism. But the other stuff concerns me. But hey if they think they can fix him late first are pretty much shots in the dark anyways. Maybe they take a risk on talent.
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Post#724 » by spree2kawhi » Sat Jun 15, 2024 5:02 am

Capn'O wrote:
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Is he that bad defensively?

That's the other thing. Like, Nic Vucevic will probably be available this summer and I'll take a defensive stalwart like Mitch 8 times before a dynamic offensive player who's also a turnstile at the bigs. Rim runner might not be a champion but no defense from your big is a loser.


If you look at his metrics they arent great. DEF rating, DEF win shares, DEF plus minus all not good. It seems to be his major weakness that he really doesn't try on that end.

Someone with his size speed and wingspan shouldnt have any issues being an impactful defender.

Yeah one of the few bigs that won it all with not being a known defender is Jokic. And he has certainly improved as a defender in recent years but he is a generational offensive player.

Like you said bigs like Vuc never really get far enough to win. Much rather take defensive impact with my bigs than offensive if I had the choice. I can get scoring from guards or wings. Obviously pie in the sky you would love both from a big. But I look for defensive impact before offense.

Teams can exploit bad defensive bigs.


Jokic is a weird one because all the advanced metrics say he helps your defense but he does NOT pass the eye test there.

That is concerning. He might just be raw and need reps on placements and such. Thibs is a good teacher in that regard. Or he might suck at it. I hope we're at least taking a deep dive because it looks like he's rising.

You can see Jokic play good defense all the time. Given his intelligence, it isn’t surprising to see him use his size to his advantage. He can’t stop Kyrie on the perimeter but he‘ll already wait for him at the rim.
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Post#725 » by Capn'O » Sat Jun 15, 2024 5:24 am

spree2kawhi wrote:
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If you look at his metrics they arent great. DEF rating, DEF win shares, DEF plus minus all not good. It seems to be his major weakness that he really doesn't try on that end.

Someone with his size speed and wingspan shouldnt have any issues being an impactful defender.

Yeah one of the few bigs that won it all with not being a known defender is Jokic. And he has certainly improved as a defender in recent years but he is a generational offensive player.

Like you said bigs like Vuc never really get far enough to win. Much rather take defensive impact with my bigs than offensive if I had the choice. I can get scoring from guards or wings. Obviously pie in the sky you would love both from a big. But I look for defensive impact before offense.

Teams can exploit bad defensive bigs.


Jokic is a weird one because all the advanced metrics say he helps your defense but he does NOT pass the eye test there.

That is concerning. He might just be raw and need reps on placements and such. Thibs is a good teacher in that regard. Or he might suck at it. I hope we're at least taking a deep dive because it looks like he's rising.

You can see Jokic play good defense all the time. Given his intelligence, it isn’t surprising to see him use his size to his advantage. He can’t stop Kyrie on the perimeter but he‘ll already wait for him at the rim.


He rotates well and all that. He's just a bit clunky in man situations.
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Post#726 » by WargamesX » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:37 am

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IHart would be the starter, Ware would be the big off the bench. Sign a Mason Plumlee type when Tom inevitably decides to not play the rookie. The point is you're not winning the title with these type of centers anymore, they are too easy to game plan for over a long series.

I will keep repeating this, the Celtics had a defensive rim runner, and with all their talent even they decided that they needed more shooting / scoring from the 5 spot. And even with Kristaps out they still have another center that can shoot and defend.


I don’t like the idea of trying to run it back with a rookie Center as the backup. There isn’t any reason to break up that successful center tandem. We can’t give IHart more money if we ship Mitch out & Mitch’s contract is designed to shrink every year. Combined they make less than Gobert and can be just and impactful.

Also KP has played two games this whole playoffs. Horford and rim running centers have been holding it down.




If you want to win a title you break it up, especially since 1 of them cannot stay healthy. They aren't as good as Gobert, and he hasn't won anything. At some point in time in the playoffs you're going to run into a 5 out team, whether it's a team where the C can hit threes or they can pass, it's going to happen and when it does you're most likely going to lose. The Mavs made it to the finals with a rookie C as a backup/starter, the problem isn't that he's a rookie, it's that whether he's good or not the coach wont play him even if he's productive.



Horford isn't a rim runner, he's a 3 & D center, he's shooting 35% on threes and 5 attempts per game. They played Kornet a grand total of three minutes in this series, Tillman played last game and hit a three. They do not want anyone on the floor that can't hit threes right now. Rim runners are an antiquated player type, especially if you have a PF like Randle, every single team with big PFs like that want shooting C's next to them (Lopez / Giannis, Siakam /Turner, Zion / Jonas). What you guys are arguing for is basically the Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan tandem which couldn't win, but this time, this time will be different.


We’re going to have to just agree to disagree. I think when you look at the typical learning curve and strength conditioning for new centers, Thibs defensive system requiring 48 minutes of defensive centers to feed drivers to in drop coverage. The fact that Mitch contract is decreasing the next 2 seasons to be almost the equivalent of the MLE AND finally the fact that waiving Mitch doesn’t even allow them to give IHart more money anyway….. it just doesn’t make sense to me for them to not keep both.

Like we’re not even coming up with examples of who could replace Mitch for cheap in these scenarios besides rookies who haven’t played a single game in the NBA.
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Post#727 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:41 am

Capn'O wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Jokic is a weird one because all the advanced metrics say he helps your defense but he does NOT pass the eye test there.

That is concerning. He might just be raw and need reps on placements and such. Thibs is a good teacher in that regard. Or he might suck at it. I hope we're at least taking a deep dive because it looks like he's rising.

You can see Jokic play good defense all the time. Given his intelligence, it isn’t surprising to see him use his size to his advantage. He can’t stop Kyrie on the perimeter but he‘ll already wait for him at the rim.


He rotates well and all that. He's just a bit clunky in man situations.


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Post#728 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:42 am

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Post#730 » by nykballa2k4 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:02 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:We should sign Taco Fall


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Post#731 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:54 pm

Latest free weekly from The Athletic.

I skimmed it. Basically, the Knicks can't or shouldn't get any of these guys:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5562703/2024/06/14/knicks-trade-stars-offseason/

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The New York Knicks will venture into the offseason hoping that one NBA constant remains true: That eventually, a star among stars will become available on the trade market.

That’s when the Knicks can pounce. They’ve saved up draft picks and middling, tradeable contracts. Add a star to a 50-win team that came just one win away from the Eastern Conference finals, and New York has a contender. But there is one problem: There is no obvious star in sight.

The Knicks’ grand plan ever since president Leon Rose took over the front office in 2020 was to trade for the next big name, an MVP-caliber talent that would want to join a newly-minted winning culture in New York. They’ve got the culture part down and have stumbled into a first star in the process, watching Jalen Brunson morph into an All-NBA performer.

As The Athletic has previously reported, the Knicks are targeting this upcoming summer as the time to make the trade for the next star. If no one worthwhile presents himself, then they will turn their eyes to the 2025 trade deadline.

And yet, there isn’t that obvious top-10 player who could be on the move come July, or even beyond that.

It’s why the Knicks are banking on that universal truth. In the NBA, whether it’s the offseason or trade deadline, a star asks out, either quietly or loudly, drama ensues and wooing from 29 other teams begins.

For now, though, with that big-timer’s identity in question, let’s run through the list. Here are six stars (with more to come next week) whose names could enter the public discourse this summer and how the Knicks may fit into their futures.

Paul George, wing, Clippers
George would be the ideal fit with the Knicks: A rangy wing who drains 3-pointers, runs pick-and-rolls, doesn’t stop moving off the ball and could combine with OG Anunoby to create the best defensive perimeter combination in the league. He plays with no ego and has no issue taking a back seat to costars, whether they’re Kawhi Leonard or Russell Westbrook. And, oh, he’s a client of CAA, the same agency Rose ran before coming to the Knicks four years ago.

But George can become a free agent this summer so acquiring him would be complicated.

The Knicks don’t have the cap space to do so. And because the Clippers are so expensive, above the second apron, new rules prevent them from signing and trading him. New York’s only avenue to acquire George would be for him to opt into his $48.8 million player option for 2024-25, then have LA work out a trade.

The Clippers may not be so willing to participate if George’s second choice is just to stay in California, where he is from and always had the itch to play.

The Knicks have kicked George’s name around before, according to league sources, but they never seriously pursued him in a deal. Even if the basketball fit is perfection, he’s 34, five years older than anyone in their current rotation, and has a history of injuries — though he played 74 games this past season for the first time in five years.

The Clippers will be aggressive hoping to re-sign George, too, considering they don’t want a dampened-down version of a team that lost in the first round of the playoffs when they enter a new arena next season. Yet, the two sides not agreeing to an extension leaves the door cracked slightly open for other possibilities.

Donovan Mitchell, guard, Cavaliers
The Knicks are not in the same position today that they were a couple of summers ago when their offseason goal was to trade for Mitchell. They couldn’t make it happen, pulling out of negotiations when the price became too large.

If Mitchell were to hit the trade market again this summer, league sources say the Knicks would not be as enthusiastic in their pursuit of him — and that’s because the situation has changed.

Brunson is a star now, and Mitchell, though he’s had the best seasons of his career in Cleveland, has not shown he can fit perfectly alongside a score-first point guard who commands the ball often. The Cavs offense can devolve into your turn, my turn with Darius Garland, who regressed this season. Their defense is consistently near the top of the league because they employ the best rim-protection tandem in the Eastern Conference.

When the Knicks went after Mitchell two years ago, they were coming off a 37-win season. Brunson was not yet an All-Star. New York wanted talent in the door and could figure the rest out later. It’s not the same now. The Knicks’ next move, one that takes giving up picks and maybe some players, hampering their long-term flexibility, would make sense only if it transformed them into title contenders.

Does adding another defensive weak point at guard who could work with Brunson but might not operate at 100 percent efficiency alongside him get them to that level? Would those two at the top of the defense become a problem during a conference finals against the positionless Boston Celtics, who roast mismatches?

Besides, it’s possible Mitchell may not even be available this summer.

The Cavaliers can offer him a massive extension come July. If he turns it down, they may have to deal him, considering he can become a free agent in 2025. But if he takes it, he’s locked in, and Cleveland will move forward with a group that just made the second round of the playoffs.

Mikal Bridges, wing, Nets
If egos did not exist, then the Knicks and Nets could execute the ideal trade.

After a 50-loss season, Brooklyn, in another world, could turn to rebuild mode. Bridges, who can become a free agent in two years, may not be an All-Star or the future MVP that will change New York basketball forever, but he fits in every other way. There’s the obvious Villanova connection. He won a collegiate title with Brunson, Josh Hart and Donte DiVincenzo. And then there are the on-court ones.

He’s a defensive stopper who could slot into massive lineups alongside Anunoby, Julius Randle and a center. He could slide down a spot and play forward next to Anunoby with DiVincenzo and Brunson at guard. He’s not a No. 1 option, but Bridges can run a pick-and-roll, score off the dribble and is a highly efficient shooter when he’s around other creators.

If the Nets were to break it down, the Knicks could present an enticing offer: Lots of unprotected first-round picks, protected ones from other teams, first-round swaps and Bojan Bogdanović to make the money-matching work.

But there’s one issue: The Nets have expressed zero interest in trading Bridges, according to league sources who have been in contact with them — and it’s not like they haven’t had opportunities. Other teams have offered hoards of first-rounders; Brooklyn hasn’t engaged.

According to league sources, Brooklyn’s front office has told teams it views Bridges as a costar to whichever big name it can trade for down the line. That’s the organization’s long-term plan — though all it takes for the blueprint to change is one hint from Bridges that he wouldn’t re-sign in a couple of seasons.

But if you’re yearning for Bridges, there’s another obstacle: The Nets and Knicks don’t make trades … like, ever.

They haven’t made one since 1983, a clear ego play from both sides. The Knicks don’t want to send over a draft pick that turns into No. 1 and refuels the Nets to create a dynasty, only to see on the back pages for years to come that a rival from across the river built a behemoth. The Nets don’t want to give up the better player and then get clowned for handing the Knicks their first title in five decades.

If the Knicks can trade with the Toronto Raptors, as they did this season amidst a lawsuit between the two franchises, then maybe petty differences wouldn’t stop them from trading with anyone else. But a Knicks-Nets trade of any kind would shatter a longtime precedent.


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Karl-Anthony Towns, center/forward, Timberwolves
If money did not exist, if every NBA player competed only for the love of the game, Towns would not be on this list. The Timberwolves just throttled to the Western Conference finals for the first time in 20 years and employ a budding superstar in Anthony Edwards. Towns is coming off a fabulous season, figuring out how to run at power forward alongside fellow 7-footer and four-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year Rudy Gobert.

But money does exist. And we don’t know how the Wolves, whose payroll is about to skyrocket, will react to that.

Two potential owners are caught up in a tug-of-war over the team. No one knows how this will end. Depending on who ends up in control, cost-cutting measures could follow. And the easiest way for Minnesota to save money is to trade Towns, whose massive extension kicks in next season when his salary will jump from $36 million in 2023-24 to $49.4 million and will only keep rising.

The Knicks have always had an eye on Towns, though this front office has never engaged in serious trade negotiations for him, according to league sources. He’s a CAA client, one of the most-skilled offensive bigs ever to touch a basketball and though he had a complicated relationship with Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau back when Thibodeau coached him in Minnesota, there are people around the coach who believe the two have reconciled and would work well together now (though you never know until you see it in person).

If the Wolves were to trade Towns, doing so on draft night could make the most sense, considering that would be before his giant extension number kicks in.

He could play the four alongside Isaiah Hartenstein, a free-agent-to-be the Knicks hope to re-sign. He could play the five, too. He may not fare as well next to Mitchell Robinson, who clogs the paint, taking up the space Towns would need to post up. Towns may roast defenses on the perimeter, but he’s one of the best back-to-the-basket bigs in existence. You don’t want to take away his versatility.

But it isn’t easy to imagine a team that just tasted such success, 56 wins and impressive playoff series victories over the Phoenix Suns and Denver Nuggets, behind its size and talent turning away from that so quickly.

If the Wolves hold onto Towns but get off to a slow start next season, then maybe long-term dollar shedding begins. If so, they may look more for present-day help than for picks. They want to win around Edwards. But for now, the assumption has to be that Minnesota tries to improve on arguably the best team in the history of the franchise.

Dejounte Murray, guard, Hawks
If there is one team most due for change this summer, it’s the one fresh of a two point-guard experiment that fell flat. The Hawks will scour the market this offseason, searching for viable ways to break up the two All-Stars who run their offense.

Based on how they’ve operated previously, Murray seems more likely to go than three-time All-Star Trae Young, though Atlanta could fetch a haul for Young, an undersized guard who is still an offensive machine.

The Hawks fielded offers for Murray leading up to this past winter’s trade deadline but couldn’t find one worth executing. During that time, they spoke with the Knicks, league sources said, but the two sides never got close to an agreement. Part of Murray’s appeal to New York was his flippability; the Knicks could trade for Murray at the deadline, then include him in another deal for a star this summer or next season.

The Knicks could use another point guard to run the second unit behind Brunson, and they could stagger Murray and Brunson so that one facilitator remained on the court at all times. But Murray is an imperfect fit. His defense, once one of his strengths, cratered in Atlanta. Maybe the downtick was because of the culture that festered playing alongside Young, who is no stopper, himself. Maybe a change of scenery vaults him back to stingier territory. But no team will know for sure until it sees him in another uniform. And offensively, he could not figure out how to maximize himself next to a ball-dominant guard.

It’s not like the Hawks would give away Murray, who they traded multiple unprotected first-rounders and a swap for only two years ago. They would want a real package back.

The Knicks would have to ask themselves: Is Murray the missing piece, the one who will help them win the East? If he were to start next to Brunson, would his production justify his salary, which is two and a half times larger than DiVincenzo’s?

Meanwhile, Young is too small, defensively challenged and ball-dominant to play alongside Brunson. The Knicks would not make a play for him.

DeMar DeRozan, wing, Bulls
DeRozan is a free agent, which means the Knicks, who are above the salary cap, could acquire him only with a sign-and-trade. He’s coming off a $28.6 million salary and averaged 24 points per game. He might be 34 years old but he will still cost money.

Beyond that, the fit would be uncomfortable.

DeRozan is a professional scorer but isn’t a floor spacer or defender. He may hand the Knicks another bucket-getter, but is that what they need at that age, at that price and at that defensive expense?

The most likely path for DeRozan appears to be re-signing with the Bulls, who can pay to retain him and hope to make another run at the Play-In Tournament. If he were to leave for a winning situation, it would likely take a discount and a diminished role from what he has in Chicago.
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Post#732 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:18 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Latest free weekly from The Athletic.

I skimmed it. Basically, the Knicks can't or shouldn't get any of these guys:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5562703/2024/06/14/knicks-trade-stars-offseason/

Spoiler:
The New York Knicks will venture into the offseason hoping that one NBA constant remains true: That eventually, a star among stars will become available on the trade market.

That’s when the Knicks can pounce. They’ve saved up draft picks and middling, tradeable contracts. Add a star to a 50-win team that came just one win away from the Eastern Conference finals, and New York has a contender. But there is one problem: There is no obvious star in sight.

The Knicks’ grand plan ever since president Leon Rose took over the front office in 2020 was to trade for the next big name, an MVP-caliber talent that would want to join a newly-minted winning culture in New York. They’ve got the culture part down and have stumbled into a first star in the process, watching Jalen Brunson morph into an All-NBA performer.

As The Athletic has previously reported, the Knicks are targeting this upcoming summer as the time to make the trade for the next star. If no one worthwhile presents himself, then they will turn their eyes to the 2025 trade deadline.

And yet, there isn’t that obvious top-10 player who could be on the move come July, or even beyond that.

It’s why the Knicks are banking on that universal truth. In the NBA, whether it’s the offseason or trade deadline, a star asks out, either quietly or loudly, drama ensues and wooing from 29 other teams begins.

For now, though, with that big-timer’s identity in question, let’s run through the list. Here are six stars (with more to come next week) whose names could enter the public discourse this summer and how the Knicks may fit into their futures.

Paul George, wing, Clippers
George would be the ideal fit with the Knicks: A rangy wing who drains 3-pointers, runs pick-and-rolls, doesn’t stop moving off the ball and could combine with OG Anunoby to create the best defensive perimeter combination in the league. He plays with no ego and has no issue taking a back seat to costars, whether they’re Kawhi Leonard or Russell Westbrook. And, oh, he’s a client of CAA, the same agency Rose ran before coming to the Knicks four years ago.

But George can become a free agent this summer so acquiring him would be complicated.

The Knicks don’t have the cap space to do so. And because the Clippers are so expensive, above the second apron, new rules prevent them from signing and trading him. New York’s only avenue to acquire George would be for him to opt into his $48.8 million player option for 2024-25, then have LA work out a trade.

The Clippers may not be so willing to participate if George’s second choice is just to stay in California, where he is from and always had the itch to play.

The Knicks have kicked George’s name around before, according to league sources, but they never seriously pursued him in a deal. Even if the basketball fit is perfection, he’s 34, five years older than anyone in their current rotation, and has a history of injuries — though he played 74 games this past season for the first time in five years.

The Clippers will be aggressive hoping to re-sign George, too, considering they don’t want a dampened-down version of a team that lost in the first round of the playoffs when they enter a new arena next season. Yet, the two sides not agreeing to an extension leaves the door cracked slightly open for other possibilities.

Donovan Mitchell, guard, Cavaliers
The Knicks are not in the same position today that they were a couple of summers ago when their offseason goal was to trade for Mitchell. They couldn’t make it happen, pulling out of negotiations when the price became too large.

If Mitchell were to hit the trade market again this summer, league sources say the Knicks would not be as enthusiastic in their pursuit of him — and that’s because the situation has changed.

Brunson is a star now, and Mitchell, though he’s had the best seasons of his career in Cleveland, has not shown he can fit perfectly alongside a score-first point guard who commands the ball often. The Cavs offense can devolve into your turn, my turn with Darius Garland, who regressed this season. Their defense is consistently near the top of the league because they employ the best rim-protection tandem in the Eastern Conference.

When the Knicks went after Mitchell two years ago, they were coming off a 37-win season. Brunson was not yet an All-Star. New York wanted talent in the door and could figure the rest out later. It’s not the same now. The Knicks’ next move, one that takes giving up picks and maybe some players, hampering their long-term flexibility, would make sense only if it transformed them into title contenders.

Does adding another defensive weak point at guard who could work with Brunson but might not operate at 100 percent efficiency alongside him get them to that level? Would those two at the top of the defense become a problem during a conference finals against the positionless Boston Celtics, who roast mismatches?

Besides, it’s possible Mitchell may not even be available this summer.

The Cavaliers can offer him a massive extension come July. If he turns it down, they may have to deal him, considering he can become a free agent in 2025. But if he takes it, he’s locked in, and Cleveland will move forward with a group that just made the second round of the playoffs.

Mikal Bridges, wing, Nets
If egos did not exist, then the Knicks and Nets could execute the ideal trade.

After a 50-loss season, Brooklyn, in another world, could turn to rebuild mode. Bridges, who can become a free agent in two years, may not be an All-Star or the future MVP that will change New York basketball forever, but he fits in every other way. There’s the obvious Villanova connection. He won a collegiate title with Brunson, Josh Hart and Donte DiVincenzo. And then there are the on-court ones.

He’s a defensive stopper who could slot into massive lineups alongside Anunoby, Julius Randle and a center. He could slide down a spot and play forward next to Anunoby with DiVincenzo and Brunson at guard. He’s not a No. 1 option, but Bridges can run a pick-and-roll, score off the dribble and is a highly efficient shooter when he’s around other creators.

If the Nets were to break it down, the Knicks could present an enticing offer: Lots of unprotected first-round picks, protected ones from other teams, first-round swaps and Bojan Bogdanović to make the money-matching work.

But there’s one issue: The Nets have expressed zero interest in trading Bridges, according to league sources who have been in contact with them — and it’s not like they haven’t had opportunities. Other teams have offered hoards of first-rounders; Brooklyn hasn’t engaged.

According to league sources, Brooklyn’s front office has told teams it views Bridges as a costar to whichever big name it can trade for down the line. That’s the organization’s long-term plan — though all it takes for the blueprint to change is one hint from Bridges that he wouldn’t re-sign in a couple of seasons.

But if you’re yearning for Bridges, there’s another obstacle: The Nets and Knicks don’t make trades … like, ever.

They haven’t made one since 1983, a clear ego play from both sides. The Knicks don’t want to send over a draft pick that turns into No. 1 and refuels the Nets to create a dynasty, only to see on the back pages for years to come that a rival from across the river built a behemoth. The Nets don’t want to give up the better player and then get clowned for handing the Knicks their first title in five decades.

If the Knicks can trade with the Toronto Raptors, as they did this season amidst a lawsuit between the two franchises, then maybe petty differences wouldn’t stop them from trading with anyone else. But a Knicks-Nets trade of any kind would shatter a longtime precedent.


Could Julius Randle and Karl-Anthony Towns be playing together in New York? (Stephen Maturen / Getty Images)
Karl-Anthony Towns, center/forward, Timberwolves
If money did not exist, if every NBA player competed only for the love of the game, Towns would not be on this list. The Timberwolves just throttled to the Western Conference finals for the first time in 20 years and employ a budding superstar in Anthony Edwards. Towns is coming off a fabulous season, figuring out how to run at power forward alongside fellow 7-footer and four-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year Rudy Gobert.

But money does exist. And we don’t know how the Wolves, whose payroll is about to skyrocket, will react to that.

Two potential owners are caught up in a tug-of-war over the team. No one knows how this will end. Depending on who ends up in control, cost-cutting measures could follow. And the easiest way for Minnesota to save money is to trade Towns, whose massive extension kicks in next season when his salary will jump from $36 million in 2023-24 to $49.4 million and will only keep rising.

The Knicks have always had an eye on Towns, though this front office has never engaged in serious trade negotiations for him, according to league sources. He’s a CAA client, one of the most-skilled offensive bigs ever to touch a basketball and though he had a complicated relationship with Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau back when Thibodeau coached him in Minnesota, there are people around the coach who believe the two have reconciled and would work well together now (though you never know until you see it in person).

If the Wolves were to trade Towns, doing so on draft night could make the most sense, considering that would be before his giant extension number kicks in.

He could play the four alongside Isaiah Hartenstein, a free-agent-to-be the Knicks hope to re-sign. He could play the five, too. He may not fare as well next to Mitchell Robinson, who clogs the paint, taking up the space Towns would need to post up. Towns may roast defenses on the perimeter, but he’s one of the best back-to-the-basket bigs in existence. You don’t want to take away his versatility.

But it isn’t easy to imagine a team that just tasted such success, 56 wins and impressive playoff series victories over the Phoenix Suns and Denver Nuggets, behind its size and talent turning away from that so quickly.

If the Wolves hold onto Towns but get off to a slow start next season, then maybe long-term dollar shedding begins. If so, they may look more for present-day help than for picks. They want to win around Edwards. But for now, the assumption has to be that Minnesota tries to improve on arguably the best team in the history of the franchise.

Dejounte Murray, guard, Hawks
If there is one team most due for change this summer, it’s the one fresh of a two point-guard experiment that fell flat. The Hawks will scour the market this offseason, searching for viable ways to break up the two All-Stars who run their offense.

Based on how they’ve operated previously, Murray seems more likely to go than three-time All-Star Trae Young, though Atlanta could fetch a haul for Young, an undersized guard who is still an offensive machine.

The Hawks fielded offers for Murray leading up to this past winter’s trade deadline but couldn’t find one worth executing. During that time, they spoke with the Knicks, league sources said, but the two sides never got close to an agreement. Part of Murray’s appeal to New York was his flippability; the Knicks could trade for Murray at the deadline, then include him in another deal for a star this summer or next season.

The Knicks could use another point guard to run the second unit behind Brunson, and they could stagger Murray and Brunson so that one facilitator remained on the court at all times. But Murray is an imperfect fit. His defense, once one of his strengths, cratered in Atlanta. Maybe the downtick was because of the culture that festered playing alongside Young, who is no stopper, himself. Maybe a change of scenery vaults him back to stingier territory. But no team will know for sure until it sees him in another uniform. And offensively, he could not figure out how to maximize himself next to a ball-dominant guard.

It’s not like the Hawks would give away Murray, who they traded multiple unprotected first-rounders and a swap for only two years ago. They would want a real package back.

The Knicks would have to ask themselves: Is Murray the missing piece, the one who will help them win the East? If he were to start next to Brunson, would his production justify his salary, which is two and a half times larger than DiVincenzo’s?

Meanwhile, Young is too small, defensively challenged and ball-dominant to play alongside Brunson. The Knicks would not make a play for him.

DeMar DeRozan, wing, Bulls
DeRozan is a free agent, which means the Knicks, who are above the salary cap, could acquire him only with a sign-and-trade. He’s coming off a $28.6 million salary and averaged 24 points per game. He might be 34 years old but he will still cost money.

Beyond that, the fit would be uncomfortable.

DeRozan is a professional scorer but isn’t a floor spacer or defender. He may hand the Knicks another bucket-getter, but is that what they need at that age, at that price and at that defensive expense?

The most likely path for DeRozan appears to be re-signing with the Bulls, who can pay to retain him and hope to make another run at the Play-In Tournament. If he were to leave for a winning situation, it would likely take a discount and a diminished role from what he has in Chicago.


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Post#733 » by WargamesX » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:30 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:Latest free weekly from The Athletic.

I skimmed it. Basically, the Knicks can't or shouldn't get any of these guys:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5562703/2024/06/14/knicks-trade-stars-offseason/

Spoiler:
The New York Knicks will venture into the offseason hoping that one NBA constant remains true: That eventually, a star among stars will become available on the trade market.

That’s when the Knicks can pounce. They’ve saved up draft picks and middling, tradeable contracts. Add a star to a 50-win team that came just one win away from the Eastern Conference finals, and New York has a contender. But there is one problem: There is no obvious star in sight.

The Knicks’ grand plan ever since president Leon Rose took over the front office in 2020 was to trade for the next big name, an MVP-caliber talent that would want to join a newly-minted winning culture in New York. They’ve got the culture part down and have stumbled into a first star in the process, watching Jalen Brunson morph into an All-NBA performer.

As The Athletic has previously reported, the Knicks are targeting this upcoming summer as the time to make the trade for the next star. If no one worthwhile presents himself, then they will turn their eyes to the 2025 trade deadline.

And yet, there isn’t that obvious top-10 player who could be on the move come July, or even beyond that.

It’s why the Knicks are banking on that universal truth. In the NBA, whether it’s the offseason or trade deadline, a star asks out, either quietly or loudly, drama ensues and wooing from 29 other teams begins.

For now, though, with that big-timer’s identity in question, let’s run through the list. Here are six stars (with more to come next week) whose names could enter the public discourse this summer and how the Knicks may fit into their futures.

Paul George, wing, Clippers
George would be the ideal fit with the Knicks: A rangy wing who drains 3-pointers, runs pick-and-rolls, doesn’t stop moving off the ball and could combine with OG Anunoby to create the best defensive perimeter combination in the league. He plays with no ego and has no issue taking a back seat to costars, whether they’re Kawhi Leonard or Russell Westbrook. And, oh, he’s a client of CAA, the same agency Rose ran before coming to the Knicks four years ago.

But George can become a free agent this summer so acquiring him would be complicated.

The Knicks don’t have the cap space to do so. And because the Clippers are so expensive, above the second apron, new rules prevent them from signing and trading him. New York’s only avenue to acquire George would be for him to opt into his $48.8 million player option for 2024-25, then have LA work out a trade.

The Clippers may not be so willing to participate if George’s second choice is just to stay in California, where he is from and always had the itch to play.

The Knicks have kicked George’s name around before, according to league sources, but they never seriously pursued him in a deal. Even if the basketball fit is perfection, he’s 34, five years older than anyone in their current rotation, and has a history of injuries — though he played 74 games this past season for the first time in five years.

The Clippers will be aggressive hoping to re-sign George, too, considering they don’t want a dampened-down version of a team that lost in the first round of the playoffs when they enter a new arena next season. Yet, the two sides not agreeing to an extension leaves the door cracked slightly open for other possibilities.

Donovan Mitchell, guard, Cavaliers
The Knicks are not in the same position today that they were a couple of summers ago when their offseason goal was to trade for Mitchell. They couldn’t make it happen, pulling out of negotiations when the price became too large.

If Mitchell were to hit the trade market again this summer, league sources say the Knicks would not be as enthusiastic in their pursuit of him — and that’s because the situation has changed.

Brunson is a star now, and Mitchell, though he’s had the best seasons of his career in Cleveland, has not shown he can fit perfectly alongside a score-first point guard who commands the ball often. The Cavs offense can devolve into your turn, my turn with Darius Garland, who regressed this season. Their defense is consistently near the top of the league because they employ the best rim-protection tandem in the Eastern Conference.

When the Knicks went after Mitchell two years ago, they were coming off a 37-win season. Brunson was not yet an All-Star. New York wanted talent in the door and could figure the rest out later. It’s not the same now. The Knicks’ next move, one that takes giving up picks and maybe some players, hampering their long-term flexibility, would make sense only if it transformed them into title contenders.

Does adding another defensive weak point at guard who could work with Brunson but might not operate at 100 percent efficiency alongside him get them to that level? Would those two at the top of the defense become a problem during a conference finals against the positionless Boston Celtics, who roast mismatches?

Besides, it’s possible Mitchell may not even be available this summer.

The Cavaliers can offer him a massive extension come July. If he turns it down, they may have to deal him, considering he can become a free agent in 2025. But if he takes it, he’s locked in, and Cleveland will move forward with a group that just made the second round of the playoffs.

Mikal Bridges, wing, Nets
If egos did not exist, then the Knicks and Nets could execute the ideal trade.

After a 50-loss season, Brooklyn, in another world, could turn to rebuild mode. Bridges, who can become a free agent in two years, may not be an All-Star or the future MVP that will change New York basketball forever, but he fits in every other way. There’s the obvious Villanova connection. He won a collegiate title with Brunson, Josh Hart and Donte DiVincenzo. And then there are the on-court ones.

He’s a defensive stopper who could slot into massive lineups alongside Anunoby, Julius Randle and a center. He could slide down a spot and play forward next to Anunoby with DiVincenzo and Brunson at guard. He’s not a No. 1 option, but Bridges can run a pick-and-roll, score off the dribble and is a highly efficient shooter when he’s around other creators.

If the Nets were to break it down, the Knicks could present an enticing offer: Lots of unprotected first-round picks, protected ones from other teams, first-round swaps and Bojan Bogdanović to make the money-matching work.

But there’s one issue: The Nets have expressed zero interest in trading Bridges, according to league sources who have been in contact with them — and it’s not like they haven’t had opportunities. Other teams have offered hoards of first-rounders; Brooklyn hasn’t engaged.

According to league sources, Brooklyn’s front office has told teams it views Bridges as a costar to whichever big name it can trade for down the line. That’s the organization’s long-term plan — though all it takes for the blueprint to change is one hint from Bridges that he wouldn’t re-sign in a couple of seasons.

But if you’re yearning for Bridges, there’s another obstacle: The Nets and Knicks don’t make trades … like, ever.

They haven’t made one since 1983, a clear ego play from both sides. The Knicks don’t want to send over a draft pick that turns into No. 1 and refuels the Nets to create a dynasty, only to see on the back pages for years to come that a rival from across the river built a behemoth. The Nets don’t want to give up the better player and then get clowned for handing the Knicks their first title in five decades.

If the Knicks can trade with the Toronto Raptors, as they did this season amidst a lawsuit between the two franchises, then maybe petty differences wouldn’t stop them from trading with anyone else. But a Knicks-Nets trade of any kind would shatter a longtime precedent.


Could Julius Randle and Karl-Anthony Towns be playing together in New York? (Stephen Maturen / Getty Images)
Karl-Anthony Towns, center/forward, Timberwolves
If money did not exist, if every NBA player competed only for the love of the game, Towns would not be on this list. The Timberwolves just throttled to the Western Conference finals for the first time in 20 years and employ a budding superstar in Anthony Edwards. Towns is coming off a fabulous season, figuring out how to run at power forward alongside fellow 7-footer and four-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year Rudy Gobert.

But money does exist. And we don’t know how the Wolves, whose payroll is about to skyrocket, will react to that.

Two potential owners are caught up in a tug-of-war over the team. No one knows how this will end. Depending on who ends up in control, cost-cutting measures could follow. And the easiest way for Minnesota to save money is to trade Towns, whose massive extension kicks in next season when his salary will jump from $36 million in 2023-24 to $49.4 million and will only keep rising.

The Knicks have always had an eye on Towns, though this front office has never engaged in serious trade negotiations for him, according to league sources. He’s a CAA client, one of the most-skilled offensive bigs ever to touch a basketball and though he had a complicated relationship with Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau back when Thibodeau coached him in Minnesota, there are people around the coach who believe the two have reconciled and would work well together now (though you never know until you see it in person).

If the Wolves were to trade Towns, doing so on draft night could make the most sense, considering that would be before his giant extension number kicks in.

He could play the four alongside Isaiah Hartenstein, a free-agent-to-be the Knicks hope to re-sign. He could play the five, too. He may not fare as well next to Mitchell Robinson, who clogs the paint, taking up the space Towns would need to post up. Towns may roast defenses on the perimeter, but he’s one of the best back-to-the-basket bigs in existence. You don’t want to take away his versatility.

But it isn’t easy to imagine a team that just tasted such success, 56 wins and impressive playoff series victories over the Phoenix Suns and Denver Nuggets, behind its size and talent turning away from that so quickly.

If the Wolves hold onto Towns but get off to a slow start next season, then maybe long-term dollar shedding begins. If so, they may look more for present-day help than for picks. They want to win around Edwards. But for now, the assumption has to be that Minnesota tries to improve on arguably the best team in the history of the franchise.

Dejounte Murray, guard, Hawks
If there is one team most due for change this summer, it’s the one fresh of a two point-guard experiment that fell flat. The Hawks will scour the market this offseason, searching for viable ways to break up the two All-Stars who run their offense.

Based on how they’ve operated previously, Murray seems more likely to go than three-time All-Star Trae Young, though Atlanta could fetch a haul for Young, an undersized guard who is still an offensive machine.

The Hawks fielded offers for Murray leading up to this past winter’s trade deadline but couldn’t find one worth executing. During that time, they spoke with the Knicks, league sources said, but the two sides never got close to an agreement. Part of Murray’s appeal to New York was his flippability; the Knicks could trade for Murray at the deadline, then include him in another deal for a star this summer or next season.

The Knicks could use another point guard to run the second unit behind Brunson, and they could stagger Murray and Brunson so that one facilitator remained on the court at all times. But Murray is an imperfect fit. His defense, once one of his strengths, cratered in Atlanta. Maybe the downtick was because of the culture that festered playing alongside Young, who is no stopper, himself. Maybe a change of scenery vaults him back to stingier territory. But no team will know for sure until it sees him in another uniform. And offensively, he could not figure out how to maximize himself next to a ball-dominant guard.

It’s not like the Hawks would give away Murray, who they traded multiple unprotected first-rounders and a swap for only two years ago. They would want a real package back.

The Knicks would have to ask themselves: Is Murray the missing piece, the one who will help them win the East? If he were to start next to Brunson, would his production justify his salary, which is two and a half times larger than DiVincenzo’s?

Meanwhile, Young is too small, defensively challenged and ball-dominant to play alongside Brunson. The Knicks would not make a play for him.

DeMar DeRozan, wing, Bulls
DeRozan is a free agent, which means the Knicks, who are above the salary cap, could acquire him only with a sign-and-trade. He’s coming off a $28.6 million salary and averaged 24 points per game. He might be 34 years old but he will still cost money.

Beyond that, the fit would be uncomfortable.

DeRozan is a professional scorer but isn’t a floor spacer or defender. He may hand the Knicks another bucket-getter, but is that what they need at that age, at that price and at that defensive expense?

The most likely path for DeRozan appears to be re-signing with the Bulls, who can pay to retain him and hope to make another run at the Play-In Tournament. If he were to leave for a winning situation, it would likely take a discount and a diminished role from what he has in Chicago.


As I’ve been saying, let’s just run it back.


If we’re running it back then we can use some bench scoring and some size at the wing.
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Re: More Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread 

Post#734 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:33 pm

WargamesX wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Latest free weekly from The Athletic.

I skimmed it. Basically, the Knicks can't or shouldn't get any of these guys:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5562703/2024/06/14/knicks-trade-stars-offseason/

Spoiler:


As I’ve been saying, let’s just run it back.


If we’re running it back then we can use some bench scoring and some size at the wing.

But who?
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Post#735 » by WargamesX » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:44 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
WargamesX wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
As I’ve been saying, let’s just run it back.


If we’re running it back then we can use some bench scoring and some size at the wing.

But who?


Idk but I am sure the FO has some ideas. It’s not a crazy thing to find like a star player. We’re in a good place, players who fit that mold are out there and available.
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Post#736 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:55 pm

WargamesX wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Latest free weekly from The Athletic.

I skimmed it. Basically, the Knicks can't or shouldn't get any of these guys:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5562703/2024/06/14/knicks-trade-stars-offseason/

Spoiler:


As I’ve been saying, let’s just run it back.


If we’re running it back then we can use some bench scoring and some size at the wing.


If we can make a bench move or two, for the right players, I’d be ok with that. But we need to see what those deals look like of course.
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Re: More Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread 

Post#737 » by Juco24 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:56 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
WargamesX wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
As I’ve been saying, let’s just run it back.


If we’re running it back then we can use some bench scoring and some size at the wing.

But who?


I think the Knicks are banking on being healthy and probably have spoken to Thibs about minute distribution (they really didn't, but they should). My gut tells me that we'll resign iHart, OG and maybe Precious. Also think we'll get Lowry (Villanova) and Oubre. Probably lose Bojan
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Post#738 » by spree2kawhi » Sat Jun 15, 2024 7:09 pm

WargamesX wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Latest free weekly from The Athletic.

I skimmed it. Basically, the Knicks can't or shouldn't get any of these guys:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5562703/2024/06/14/knicks-trade-stars-offseason/

Spoiler:


As I’ve been saying, let’s just run it back.


If we’re running it back then we can use some bench scoring and some size at the wing.

I don’t think running it back is good enough to win a championship.
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Post#739 » by WargamesX » Sat Jun 15, 2024 7:34 pm

Juco24 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
WargamesX wrote:
If we’re running it back then we can use some bench scoring and some size at the wing.

But who?


I think the Knicks are banking on being healthy and probably have spoken to Thibs about minute distribution (they really didn't, but they should). My gut tells me that we'll resign iHart, OG and maybe Precious. Also think we'll get Lowry (Villanova) and Oubre. Probably lose Bojan


Add a rookie or two to the G-League development cycle and all you said makes a lot of sense to me too. It’s not flashy but it fixes a lot of holes and avoids the 2nd apron.

All we need then is luck with health and on paper I like our odds against anyone and I mean anyone. Knicks got some legit pieces, chemistry is there, talent is there, they can play both sides of the ball. If you look at other franchises these are the signs that usually indicate a team can make that leap to a championship.
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Post#740 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jun 15, 2024 7:49 pm

WargamesX wrote:
Juco24 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:But who?


I think the Knicks are banking on being healthy and probably have spoken to Thibs about minute distribution (they really didn't, but they should). My gut tells me that we'll resign iHart, OG and maybe Precious. Also think we'll get Lowry (Villanova) and Oubre. Probably lose Bojan


Add a rookie or two to the G-League development cycle and all you said makes a lot of sense to me too. It’s not flashy but it fixes a lot of holes and avoids the 2nd apron.

All we need then is luck with health and on paper I like our odds against anyone and I mean anyone. Knicks got some legit pieces, chemistry is there, talent is there, they can play both sides of the ball. If you look at other franchises these are the signs that usually indicate a team can make that leap to a championship.


Can Tyus Jones be gotten in a sign and trade? I think Washington's pick is more valuable to them than to the Knicks or any other team, since it won't convey and probably converts to a 2nd rounder, but if they got it back, would help some in a Stepian situation way.

And, if the Knicks were at the cap but Washington was under, could the Knicks trade Bogs and the Washington 1st for Tyus, then use the dollar differential between Bogs salary and Tyus Jones and sign Oubre.

Tyus Jones and Oubre would be decent bench depth if the Knicks resign both OG and iShart.
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