Trade Talk (Part 15): Trade Deadline Day (and onwards!)

[Norseman79]

3 team Naz Reid....(I don't want to trade Naz)

Washington in: Naz Reid
Out: Avdija, 26

Heat in: Moore, Minott, 27
Out: Jovic

Wolves in: Avdija, Jovic, 26
Out: Reid, Minott, Moore, 27

PG Conley, NAW
SG Edwards Clark
SF McDaniels, Avdija
PF Towns, Jovic
C Gobert

Really we just need to add a point guard and a legit back up five

This ain't it.

I mean if you think the 37 would work instead of the 27, that's great.

[Domejandro]

3 team Naz Reid....(I don't want to trade Naz)

Washington in: Naz Reid
Out: Avdija, 26

Heat in: Moore, Minott, 27
Out: Jovic

Wolves in: Avdija, Jovic, 26
Out: Reid, Minott, Moore, 27

PG Conley, NAW
SG Edwards Clark
SF McDaniels, Avdija
PF Towns, Jovic
C Gobert

Really we just need to add a point guard and a legit back up five

Deni Avdija has significantly more value that Naz Reid.

[shrink]

NAZ for Suggs? Might soften the PR blow...

I don't think the Magic would see Naz as enough to move off of Suggs. Wagner, Banchero, and even Carter would be higher than Naz to fill their front court.

True, but I think cmoss is onto something. I see these players as comparable value, and while beloved by their current teams, they are luxuries when the team has bigger needs.

If it possible to trade Naz to a third team, who sends ORL the playmaking/scoring PG they need so desperately?

And can we trust Ant enough to develop his own playmaking that we wouldn’t grab that third team’s PG for ourselves?

[Norseman79]

3 team Naz Reid....(I don't want to trade Naz)

Washington in: Naz Reid
Out: Avdija, 26

Heat in: Moore, Minott, 27
Out: Jovic

Wolves in: Avdija, Jovic, 26
Out: Reid, Minott, Moore, 27

PG Conley, NAW
SG Edwards Clark
SF McDaniels, Avdija
PF Towns, Jovic
C Gobert

Really we just need to add a point guard and a legit back up five

Deni Avdija has significantly more value that Naz Reid.

Does he? Based on what? (I'm not being a jerk, I'm asking honestly)

[shangrila]

Good point, but I think Gordon has been exceptional to change and do all of DEN’s dirty work, and he gets credit for that. I don’t think it’s the typical course for players that are anointed as #1’s early in their career.

You say "anointed as #1s", but I never considered Aaron Gordon in the same category as guys like Ja, Zion, Trae, LaMelo, etc. A lot of it comes down to the player's mentality and if they think they're better than someone else. I don't think Gordon ever had that kind of toxic ego, to where it can destroy a locker room. KAT has never really had that kind of ego. Ant definitely doesn't have that kind of ego. Those are the kinds of guys to target.

I don't know whether Murray has that kind of ego. I think assuming he does could be dangerous though, because it essentially puts the blame on him for it not working in Atlanta when Young has been there longer and the issues pre-date Murray's arrival.

Heck, I'll go another step and bring up your good friend and mine, Ben Simmons. Everyone wants to put him in that toxic category, but it's interesting that Philadelphia has not improved their standing one bit in the two years since trading him. Maybe he isn't so toxic after all?

The Magic made him their #1, their first option and the face of their franchise. You’re right, there are similarities to KAT, who has also sacrificed a great deal in recent years. However, I don’t think they are commonplace, and I have my doubts that other #1’s on unsuccessful teams (like the guys you mentioned .. Trae Young, LaMelo, etc) would accept a supporting role. I think Simmons was always a #2 behind Embiid.

But you’re right. I don’t know which players would sacrifice and which wouldn’t.

Except...they never did.

His rookie season Gordon was 10th in usage. A year later, after drafting Victor Oladipo, Gordon dropped to 12th. The year after he jumped to 7th, but that was still behind Elfrid Payton, Evan Fournier and Nikola Vucevic.

Gordon was never a #1 option or face of a franchise, early in his career or otherwise. Even if he had been, by the time he came on the market it was clear to everyone (likely Gordon included) that he was nowhere close to the best player on a contending team so I don't understand why there would be any concern of him not accepting a role that he'd spent the majority of his 6 or so season career to that point playing.

[shangrila]

3 team Naz Reid....(I don't want to trade Naz)

Washington in: Naz Reid
Out: Avdija, 26

Heat in: Moore, Minott, 27
Out: Jovic

Wolves in: Avdija, Jovic, 26
Out: Reid, Minott, Moore, 27

PG Conley, NAW
SG Edwards Clark
SF McDaniels, Avdija
PF Towns, Jovic
C Gobert

Really we just need to add a point guard and a legit back up five

Deni Avdija has significantly more value that Naz Reid.

No he doesn't.

[Norseman79]

NAZ for Suggs? Might soften the PR blow...

I don't think the Magic would see Naz as enough to move off of Suggs. Wagner, Banchero, and even Carter would be higher than Naz to fill their front court.

True, but I think cmoss is onto something. I see these players as comparable value, and while beloved by their current teams, they are luxuries when the team has bigger needs.

If it possible to trade Naz to a third team, who sends ORL the playmaking/scoring PG they need so desperately?

And can we trust Ant enough to develop his own playmaking that we wouldn’t grab that third team’s PG for ourselves?

Suggs as a PG still works in my eyes. A better version of NAW

[Note30]

3 team Naz Reid....(I don't want to trade Naz)

Washington in: Naz Reid
Out: Avdija, 26

Heat in: Moore, Minott, 27
Out: Jovic

Wolves in: Avdija, Jovic, 26
Out: Reid, Minott, Moore, 27

PG Conley, NAW
SG Edwards Clark
SF McDaniels, Avdija
PF Towns, Jovic
C Gobert

Really we just need to add a point guard and a legit back up five

Deni Avdija has significantly more value that Naz Reid.

I don't know about significantly, but he also doesn't fit.

Deni is great at straight line drives and pull up threes. Since his rookie year looks like he's been trying to create his own shot, and it looks like he's close to putting it together but he's still off from it being reliable.

He needs a good backup PG or passer to be good.

He's a good defender for his position he can guard wings pretty well.

I just don't see that being super valuable to us where we already have Ant, NAW, and Jaden.

He may have more value than Naz but I don't like this fit at all.

[shrink]

I don't think the Magic would see Naz as enough to move off of Suggs. Wagner, Banchero, and even Carter would be higher than Naz to fill their front court.

True, but I think cmoss is onto something. I see these players as comparable value, and while beloved by their current teams, they are luxuries when the team has bigger needs.

If it possible to trade Naz to a third team, who sends ORL the playmaking/scoring PG they need so desperately?

And can we trust Ant enough to develop his own playmaking that we wouldn’t grab that third team’s PG for ourselves?

Suggs as a PG still works in my eyes. A better version of NAW

Oh, I’m not saying I wouldn’t want Suggs. His defense would magnify the entire team, and if he was played in front of a tired Mike Conley, DAL wouldn’t have been able to put all that pressure on the rim. The fact that he’s from here is a big plus too, and hopefully he’d stay here for a bit less on his next deal.

The problem though is that Suggs isn’t much of a playmaker yet, and if we are looking for an heir-apparent for Mike Conley, the team needs to find more playmaking either from the PG or the rest of the team. Maybe Suggs can get better. Maybe Ant can. But team playmaking is going to become an even bigger team need in the future.

[Norseman79]

3 team Naz Reid....(I don't want to trade Naz)

Washington in: Naz Reid
Out: Avdija, 26

Heat in: Moore, Minott, 27
Out: Jovic

Wolves in: Avdija, Jovic, 26
Out: Reid, Minott, Moore, 27

PG Conley, NAW
SG Edwards Clark
SF McDaniels, Avdija
PF Towns, Jovic
C Gobert

Really we just need to add a point guard and a legit back up five

Deni Avdija has significantly more value that Naz Reid.

I don't know about significantly, but he also doesn't fit.

Deni is great at straight line drives and pull up threes. Since his rookie year looks like he's been trying to create his own shot, and it looks like he's close to putting it together but he's still off from it being reliable.

He needs a good backup PG or passer to be good.

He's a good defender for his position he can guard wings pretty well.

I just don't see that being super valuable to us where we already have Ant, NAW, and Jaden.

He may have more value than Naz but I don't like this fit at all.

You certainly sound like you have some legit reasons. So it's not so much that he has more value, you just don't see it as a good fit. I disagree, but I respect your take.

[Norseman79]

True, but I think cmoss is onto something. I see these players as comparable value, and while beloved by their current teams, they are luxuries when the team has bigger needs.

If it possible to trade Naz to a third team, who sends ORL the playmaking/scoring PG they need so desperately?

And can we trust Ant enough to develop his own playmaking that we wouldn’t grab that third team’s PG for ourselves?

Suggs as a PG still works in my eyes. A better version of NAW

Oh, I’m not saying I wouldn’t want Suggs. His defense would magnify the entire team, and if he was played in front of a tired Mike Conley, DAL wouldn’t have been able to put all that pressure on the rim. The fact that he’s from here is a big plus too, and hopefully he’d stay here for a bit less on his next deal.

The problem though is that Suggs isn’t much of a playmaker yet, and if we are looking for an heir-apparent for Mike Conley, the team needs to find more playmaking either from the PG or the rest of the team. Maybe Suggs can get better. Maybe Ant can. But team playmaking is going to become an even bigger team need in the future.

This I completely agree with. I just wonder with the type of offense that Finch likes to run if it wouldn't play more to suggs's strengths

[thinktank]

3 team Naz Reid....(I don't want to trade Naz)

Washington in: Naz Reid
Out: Avdija, 26

Heat in: Moore, Minott, 27
Out: Jovic

Wolves in: Avdija, Jovic, 26
Out: Reid, Minott, Moore, 27

PG Conley, NAW
SG Edwards Clark
SF McDaniels, Avdija
PF Towns, Jovic
C Gobert

Really we just need to add a point guard and a legit back up five

Miami says no.

[Norseman79]

3 team Naz Reid....(I don't want to trade Naz)

Washington in: Naz Reid
Out: Avdija, 26

Heat in: Moore, Minott, 27
Out: Jovic

Wolves in: Avdija, Jovic, 26
Out: Reid, Minott, Moore, 27

PG Conley, NAW
SG Edwards Clark
SF McDaniels, Avdija
PF Towns, Jovic
C Gobert

Really we just need to add a point guard and a legit back up five

Miami says no.

I was wondering if anyone was going to think that. Do you think Miller would make it go in this specific scenario?

[Domejandro]

3 team Naz Reid....(I don't want to trade Naz)

Washington in: Naz Reid
Out: Avdija, 26

Heat in: Moore, Minott, 27
Out: Jovic

Wolves in: Avdija, Jovic, 26
Out: Reid, Minott, Moore, 27

PG Conley, NAW
SG Edwards Clark
SF McDaniels, Avdija
PF Towns, Jovic
C Gobert

Really we just need to add a point guard and a legit back up five

Deni Avdija has significantly more value that Naz Reid.

Does he? Based on what? (I'm not being a jerk, I'm asking honestly)

Great defensive player, strong rebounder, intriguing offensive tools, and solid playmaking potential. The big difference is contract.

Naz Reid: $13,986,432 / $15,022,464 (PO)
Deni Avdija: $15,625,000 / $14,375,000 / $13,125,000 / $11,875,000

The salary difference makes it not even particularly close, even if we pretend like Naz Reid is a higher impact player (he isn't).

[Neeva]

3 team Naz Reid....(I don't want to trade Naz)

Washington in: Naz Reid
Out: Avdija, 26

Heat in: Moore, Minott, 27
Out: Jovic

Wolves in: Avdija, Jovic, 26
Out: Reid, Minott, Moore, 27

PG Conley, NAW
SG Edwards Clark
SF McDaniels, Avdija
PF Towns, Jovic
C Gobert

Really we just need to add a point guard and a legit back up five

Deni Avdija has significantly more value that Naz Reid.

Does he? Based on what? (I'm not being a jerk, I'm asking honestly)

Probably just based on the wizards not having any better assets so they overvalue him. He’s their Ant which is so sad…

[minimus]

Deni Avdija has significantly more value that Naz Reid.

Does he? Based on what? (I'm not being a jerk, I'm asking honestly)

Probably just based on the wizards not having any better assets so they overvalue him. He’s their Ant which is so sad…

Agree. Naz would average 25+ ppg in current WAS.

[Norseman79]

Deni Avdija has significantly more value that Naz Reid.

Does he? Based on what? (I'm not being a jerk, I'm asking honestly)

Probably just based on the wizards not having any better assets so they overvalue him. He’s their Ant which is so sad…

Poole
Coulibaly
Kuzma
Reid
Klingen

Or

Poole
Coulibaly
Risacher
Kuzma
Reid

Plus a ton of cap room...

[Domejandro]

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I legitimately see absolutely zero reasonable arguments why the Washington Wizards would rather have Naz Reid on a 1+1 (PO) deal over Deni Avdija on a fully guaranteed, descending 55/4 deal. Even if we grant the (respectfully, wrong) argument that Naz Reid is a better player, that contract is easily in the top five biggest steals in the NBA right now.

Naz Reid: $13,986,432 / $15,022,464 (PO)
vs.
Deni Avdija: $15,625,000 / $14,375,000 / $13,125,000 / $11,875,000

Even if Deni Avdija never improved and stayed as a decent-level starter, he is making 11% of the salary cap next season, with a contract that is decending by $1.3MM each season (while the salary cap continues to climb). That is an unbelievable bargain, the Washington Wizards would be obscenely dumb to make that swap, even with the overrating of Naz Reid's impact that is happening.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

IT's hard to know which direction we may go. Trade KAT? i don't think it's such a good idea unless we got same player level in return.
Trading NAZ? He is young and can improve in defense and rebound.
Trade Rudy considering his limitations? Hard to get a decent return, big who don't shoot are not fashion in modern NBA where most of games become 3 points contest.
Getting another PG? Could be an option considering Mike ages but could also limit ANT development at playmaking.
I'm sure only one thing, we need more scoring, we have an elite defense but have to improve offense.

I prefer being a fan than Wolves GM right now....

[Note30]

#27, #37, 2028 1st swap, NAW

for

#14(Isiah Collier), Shaedon Sharpe