Best Offers for Darius Garland

[bgrep14]

While it’s anticipated Mitchell will extend, I believe Cavs will field offers for Garland after this takes place as he will likely request a trade. With that being said I’m curious what other teams are interested and what their best offers look like. I’d like to see a trade like Garland and Niang for Holmes, Kuzma, and Avdija to give them some more size and spacing but curious what’s out there.

[Whole Truth]

I think Klutch will push Garland to play with Wemby to up his stock & get him out from Mitchell's shadow in Cleveland.

I've discussed this on the Spurs board with a couple of their posters.

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4) for (Garland)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #8, FRP) for (Garland)

I don't think Cavs would be good with Keldon as a win now move. So I have NO's & BI potentially in the equation & if they are, my preference is for the 4th pick, Clingan because I have intent to trade up with Hawks. Assuming Hawks are exploring trading down for Clingan.

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21 or 2 future SRP's for cheap depth)

Spure trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4 Clingan) for (Garland)

Hawks trade - (#1 Sarr) for (#4 Clingan, NO's FRP 25)

NO's trade - (BI, #21 or 2 SRP's, NO's 25) for (Keldon, Collins, #1 Sarr)

[Mr Loggins]

I think *if* Garland gets traded, Minnesota for KAT makes sense for both teams

[mcfly1204]

I think *if* Garland gets traded, Minnesota for KAT makes sense for both teams

What's your follow-up deal in that scenario?

[Nyce_1]

Again? Didn't we have this thread about 1-2 weeks ago? Just search, read through, and then add to it.

edit: I did half the work for you.

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*major props for the search functionality improvement. It was unusable years ago, and now, pretty great!

[Whole Truth]

I think *if* Garland gets traded, Minnesota for KAT makes sense for both teams

What's your follow-up deal in that scenario?

I'd make an assumption, Allen for a wing.

or Cavs could keep Allen/Mobley & trade Garland for BI, would give their roster a lot of versatility. They're already big, BI at SF makes them longer. Allen is clogging the paint, Mobley at C & BI at PF. Mobley is not effectively spacing for Allen, BI at PF. etc..

BI also gives them a lengthy playmaker on the wing.

Outside of contractual risk, I like BI's fit for Cavs.

With teams walling off the paint & Green being more of a defensive coach with 4 offensive players. I think any team that's trading for BI will get a better player than the one they traded for.

[Mr Loggins]

Exactly - I’d try to trade Allen for a wing. I think the fit if Kat/Mobley would complement each other really well and wouldn’t look in Mobley to playing the five

[mg]

Regarding all the Spurs talk for Garland, Cavs would need a "win now" player in return and I don't see that type of player on the Spurs especially if they refuse to trade Vassell. Maybe a 3rd team can get involved although I don't know how valuable lottery picks are in this draft. Assuming Mitchell extends, the Cavs should probably take their time to potentially trade him even if Klutch pushes for a deal. I'm not the biggest Garland fan on his current contract but Keldon Johnson as the centerpiece of a trade seems very light.

[Texas Chuck]

Again? Didn't we have this thread about 1-2 weeks ago? Just search, read through, and then add to it.

edit: I did half the work for you.

viewtopic.php?t=2379176

*major props for the search functionality improvement. It was unusable years ago, and now, pretty great!

Appreciate your work sourcing that for the OP.

In this case board volume is so low, another thread on the same topic is fine. In a busier season, I'd merge this with the thread you found.

[tidho]

I think *if* Garland gets traded, Minnesota for KAT makes sense for both teams

What's your follow-up deal in that scenario?

i don't think you'd need one

the roster issues started when you flipped Lauri for Mitchell. Garland for KAT corrects it.

you still need a rotation caliber SF on the roster just as you did before and since the first trade, but the rest of the roster is set.

[Netaman]

I would agree with the SAS guess. They have a lot of ammo and I'd imagine CLE would prefer shipping out west vs helping a team in the east.

I think Nets would be interested and perhaps have a few assets competitive with SAS, but I'd imagine CLE will prefer to not ship him to Brooklyn and Nets will hold the line somewhere on price knowing if it escalates beyond Murray/Trae/whoever else is out there, they have some alternatives.

[shrink]

I think *if* Garland gets traded, Minnesota for KAT makes sense for both teams

I know that this gets talked about a lot, but I would be very surprised if MIN made this deal.

Minnesota’s identity is being big and defending. Towns was better than expected defensively with Gobert behind him, and critical to get past the Nuggets and Jokic. His size allows Naz Reid to come off the bench, and the Wolves competitive advantage is that they throw so many big long talented players 6-9 and over (Gobert, Towns, Naz, McDaniels, SloMo) at opponents, that it creates match up advantages over rosters who aren’t deep with good bigs. Towns has also been extremely loyal to MIN even in tough times, and seems firmly committed to helping Ant become a superstar, even if it means sacrificing his own game.

[LightTheBeam]

BI is the obvious answer for both teams right?

They need to find a center for CJ after, but it makes sense if they can do that.

[jbk1234]

I think Klutch will push Garland to play with Wemby to up his stock & get him out from Mitchell's shadow in Cleveland.

I've discussed this on the Spurs board with a couple of their posters.

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4) for (Garland)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #8, FRP) for (Garland)

I don't think Cavs would be good with Keldon as a win now move. So I have NO's & BI potentially in the equation & if they are, my preference is for the 4th pick, Clingan because I have intent to trade up with Hawks. Assuming Hawks are exploring trading down for Clingan.

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21 or 2 future SRP's for cheap depth)

Spure trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4 Clingan) for (Garland)

Hawks trade - (#1 Sarr) for (#4 Clingan, NO's FRP 25)

NO's trade - (BI, #21 or 2 SRP's, NO's 25) for (Keldon, Collins, #1 Sarr)

Just in terms of timing, i'll be shocked if Garland isn't still on the Cavs roster after the draft.

[tidho]

I think *if* Garland gets traded, Minnesota for KAT makes sense for both teams

I know that this gets talked about a lot, but I would be very surprised if MIN made this deal.

Oh, MIN is 100% not dealing KAT. If they did though, CLE would be set.

[jbk1234]

I think *if* Garland gets traded, Minnesota for KAT makes sense for both teams

I know that this gets talked about a lot, but I would be very surprised if MIN made this deal.

Oh, MIN is 100% not dealing KAT. If they did though, CLE would be set.

I'll just say that over the entirety of his career, there hasn't been so much as a whisper of the Cavs being interested in pursuing KAT.

[jbk1234]

BI is the obvious answer for both teams right?

They need to find a center for CJ after, but it makes sense if they can do that.

Cavs are reportedly turned off by Ingram's contract expectations.

[Whole Truth]

BI is the obvious answer for both teams right?

They need to find a center for CJ after, but it makes sense if they can do that.

& Cavs want a win now Sf, not pick value from the Spurs.

Reason as a NO's fan I want #4 from the Spurs is to trade up for Sarr. This target is more than to fill a hole at C. Zion is hard build that requires a specific type of C that's both hard to find & or trade for outside of risking proven value for potential. The center spot for NO's has been a revolving door because it's a tough fit next to Zion. I'm not trying to fill a hole, I'm trying to find a solution.

For example, some NO's fans want Allen for BI to contend now.

Allen has 2yrs control with & a raise point of 20m for team that his headed for the tax. One Zion injury in trading out BI as his history says is almost a certainty. Sarr would have rookie scale & control in potentially raising the teams ceiling based on his offensive potential to space the floor, where Allen doesn't even attempt 3's.

NO's are not one move away from risking loss of control besides the fact Allen doesn't adequately fit offensively. Jonas had to reinvent his long game to space the floor & it was still not enough spacing because Zion's game is predictable & teams live with NO's hitting shots to take the paint away.

This is assuming Hawks have real interest in trading down to 4 for Clingan to maximize value & reduce risk.

[Whole Truth]

BI is the obvious answer for both teams right?

They need to find a center for CJ after, but it makes sense if they can do that.

Cavs are reportedly turned off by Ingram's contract expectations.

They've had discussions with BI?

[jbk1234]

BI is the obvious answer for both teams right?

They need to find a center for CJ after, but it makes sense if they can do that.

& Cavs want a win now Sf, not pick value from the Spurs.

Reason as a NO's fan I want #4 from the Spurs is to trade up for Sarr. This target is more than to fill a hole at C. Zion is hard build that requires a specific type of C that's both hard to find & or trade for outside of risking proven value for potential. The center spot for NO's has been a revolving door because it's a tough fit next to Zion. I'm not trying to fill a hole, I'm trying to find a solution.

For example, some NO's fans want Allen for BI to contend now.

Allen has 2yrs control with & a raise point of 20m for team that his headed for the tax. One Zion injury in trading out BI as his history says is almost a certainty. Sarr would have rookie scale & control in potentially raising the teams ceiling based on his offensive potential to space the floor, where Allen doesn't even attempt 3's.

NO's are not one move away from risking loss of control besides the fact Allen doesn't adequately fit offensively. Jonas had to reinvent his long game to space the floor & it was still not enough spacing because Zion's game is predictable & teams live with NO's hitting shots to take the paint away.

This is assuming Hawks have real interest in trading down to 4 for Clingan to maximize value & reduce risk.

If your plan is to use Garland to move up to No. 1 by draft night, you should probably come up with a plan B. Regardless of whatever else happens, the Cavs aren't going to be rushed into dealing a core player.